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supersoft, we should be in the resolution phase, who did you RB tonight?
I did not look into most of the things I want to look into yet, and I need to add to that list looking for people who were scummy on mattchew but weakly committed to it.
Anyone who fits a bunch of these criteria:
(1) occasionally mentions mattchew scummy, especially out of the blue during N2 (and ESPECIALLY if they call mig's shot bad)
(2) was on BC D1
(3) voted BC D3 with little/no reasoning
(4) moved OFF BC D3 for weak-ish reasons or onto weak-ish reads
(5) Was relatively inactive/silent during D3, popping up only to explain their vote
needs to be seriously seriously examined. Cuz that right there is a bunch of stuff that sort of fits what, imo, mafia would be doing this game.
I really, really doubt I'll be dead tomorrow, but just in case, someone should do this. And you should 100000% lynch thrawn over risen. There's a CHANCE that risen is town. It's non-zero. There's pretty much NO CHANCE that thrawn is town.
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On November 24 2013 09:12 Pandain wrote:
Is there a reason people think Austin is town? I noticed he wasn't on your list Supersoft.
Buncha reasons!
Are you unconvinced?
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Also, LM is right on the mason timing. I got masoned early yesterday morning, not the morning that would have been the start of D3.
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Actually wondering, pandain.
Also, supersoft, would really like to know who you roleblocked. If you actually stop a KP, you can't be dead and you can say tomorrow. But there's probably some corner case that your choice of RB target could be relevant in the future if a certain ability or something is found missing. At the very least, claim to someone in a mason chat or something if you're sure they're not going down.
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On November 24 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:30 austinmcc wrote:
Actually wondering, pandain.
Also, supersoft, would really like to know who you roleblocked. If you actually stop a KP, you can't be dead and you can say tomorrow. But there's probably some corner case that your choice of RB target could be relevant in the future if a certain ability or something is found missing. At the very least, claim to someone in a mason chat or something if you're sure they're not going down. it's in my mason logs, have you not read it? Nope! But I'm going to now.
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No, that log shows N1 and N2 RBs. N3 is now in the resolution period, right? So there's already a target locked in for tonight, for N3 ending in 25 minutes.
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On November 24 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
I do not think austin is town. I find it hard to believe he has learned nothing from nuclear and ## mafia and is for a third time pushing me as scum, especially when it's this absurd. Looks like a ploy to look crazy.
Four remaining scum for me right now are....
austinmcc
alakaslam
risen(?) least sure on this one
koshi or LM You find thrawn townie? Any specific reason?
Any specific reason you're townie on cheese?
Any specific reason you were scummy on me?
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I really don't think I'm going to die tonight. If I do, please lynch thrawn over risen. Seriously. Everyone blew up at risen while thrawn sat on the sidelines. He ain't green or blue.
Gut read on mason logs is that LM is town. I wish the log had been productive during N3 but it has not, I'ma post it before deadline, but there ain't much and it doesn't look as good as the earlier bits did. If my questions aren't answered and I are dead, please someone follow up on them.
I still end up with 3 mafia inside Pandain/Cheese/HF/Risen/Vayne/Slam, with an outside chance of Coag, and an also somewhat outside chance of Onegu, but they're a ways down my list.
I would look at Cheese and Slam first, Vayne after. I have not gotten ANYONE to really carry on a dialogue today about vayne, and that worries me. Heck, nobody even really chimes in about vayne except mig, and he never went back and actually looked at the filter. I see a lot of questionable or possibly-questionable stuff in vayne's filter, not a lot of active, DOING something, PUSHING something vayne. For questionable/possibly-questionable stuff, if I am dead, look at bomb targeting, look at voting slam instead of BC because his bomb would kill BC (this is also a slam/vayne interaction, to look at if either ever flips), look at the way he "confirms" himself off of mocsta's post and whether you read it to confirm vayne, and look to see if you can find any kind of genesis for some of his reads.
ss is not in my list because right now I'm trusting this roleblock claim, and I don't think he needs to get got anytime soon.
If I die, you'll see that I'm a vet. I don't think it's impossible to have two, especially if we had 3 2-shot vigis and a possible hatter. That's a lot of KP flying around. Pandain looks decent because of BC's wifom-y vote, but it's a wifom-y vote, and not 100%. If supersoft is town though, I don't terribly see Pandain fakeclaiming so early, and so I trust his claim a decent bit. Off the top of my head, there's nothing in my notes that was a flag on Pandain, but I have not checked to see how many of the ... timing and voting things I'm looking for.
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On November 24 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:36 austinmcc wrote:On November 24 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
I do not think austin is town. I find it hard to believe he has learned nothing from nuclear and ## mafia and is for a third time pushing me as scum, especially when it's this absurd. Looks like a ploy to look crazy.
Four remaining scum for me right now are....
austinmcc
alakaslam
risen(?) least sure on this one
koshi or LM You find thrawn townie? Any specific reason? Any specific reason you're townie on cheese? Any specific reason you were scummy on me? picking and choosing people to converse with and early fluff. Now I am fairly certain you are scum after you are trying to push me and sealing rayn's fate. What fluff and conversations?
Any specific reason why you were scummy on me? You continue to have NO explanation for your previous scumread. I don't care whether you think I'm mafia or not, you have ENTIRELY failed to explain why you thought I was scum before my vote yesterday, despite calling me scum. And when pushed for your reasoning, the ONLY reasoning you have provided is the vote and actions after the vote. NONE of which explain the earlier scumread.
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On November 24 2013 09:45 supersoft wrote:
told holyflare and mig who i blocked. i am not sure, if i want the scumteam to know this. So far we keep this as a secret. i think it's no big deal, since they will most likely RB me anyway. Okay. I got no problem as long as people know. I don't THINK there's a way for you to get caught in this if you're scum, you can always lie about your target, but...just in case it's good to have somewhere.
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On November 24 2013 09:46 supersoft wrote:
oh lol you're a vet, too? that's sweet. In the nicest possible way,
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On November 24 2013 09:50 supersoft wrote:
pandain is confirmed town, austin. BC tried to kill him. His vetclaim makes sense. He is town. BC made it so rayn died instead of risen.
BC did not actually affect pandain's getting lynched or not.
i THINK that pandain's list of voters looks the scummiest of all options. He is absolutely not a good lynch right now.
But he's not 10000% confirmed to me. He hasn't heavily pinged my senses in either direction, but if we flip a couple scum in his voters then I agree he ain't to be flexed with.
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+ Show Spoiler [LM and austinmcc recent logs] +
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austinmcc
11-22-2013
07:30 PM ET (US)
What do you make of BC's large post?
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austinmcc
11-22-2013
08:01 PM ET (US)
Mic check one two, mic check one two. Would still like to know some substantive thoughts on BC's large post, regardless of his flip.
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austinmcc
11-22-2013
08:51 PM ET (US)
I'm stepping back from game for a little, maybe for the rest of the night (it's almost 9 EST).
Would like to hear your thoughts on BC's large reads post still. And ... Vayne. Whatchoo think 'bout Vayne?
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austinmcc
11-23-2013
12:40 PM ET (US)
Also interested, given your scumread on pandain, what you think about the voters on him and BC's swap to pandain last second.
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austinmcc
11-23-2013
03:59 PM ET (US)
NONONO PLEASE RETURN.
Lonemeow lonemeow lonemeow!
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LoneMeow
11-23-2013
05:00 PM ET (US)
Well hello there, I am back. Give me a moment to catch up.
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LoneMeow
11-23-2013
05:51 PM ET (US)
BC's last minute swap is just pure WIFOM territory.
It decided between raynpelikoneet and Risen if I'm not mistaken. So it could have been to save Risen, or it could have been to make it look like he wanted to save Risen.
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austinmcc
11-23-2013
07:10 PM ET (US)
If I had not voted at 3 minutes to go, it would have decided between risen/pandain. Because I swapped my vote to rayn with 3 minutes left, his last-minute vote decided between risen/rayn, ya.
Okay. Still interested in thoughts on that final post of his. Do you think he thought he could convince anyone? Is there a read in there that feels genuine? Is there any read that looks 100% made up? It's conjecture, speculation, but every one of those reads is either real or made-up. Based on what he called out and his language, some of the reads might lean one way or the other for you.
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LoneMeow
11-23-2013
07:38 PM ET (US)
The post itself felt quite convincing, but IMHO it was too late to be very likely to save him (and I'd expect him to have realized that), so it most likely was made to confuse.
From what I can see, most of the reads are consistent with his earlier stances.
Some points to note:
1. gives Koshi 100% town when the previous read was "could go either way"
2. Oatsmaster is mafia when he previously is kind of wishy washy about it
3. it's interesting that he picks Hopeless1der as scum because he's lurking when there are others who are more or less just as lurky and useless
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austinmcc
11-23-2013
07:49 PM ET (US)
Okay. I'm going to post this, AND I AM ALSO GOING TO MAKE UP A FAKE MESSAGE AND PUT AT THE END OF IT ABOUT YOU BEING A PRETTY KITTY OR SOMETHING.
FOR ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY BOTHERS TO READ THESE LOGS, I HAVE ADDED A FAKE MESSAGE ABOUT LM BEING A PRETTY KITTY.
NONE OF THE OTHER MESSAGES ARE FAKE. BUT I AM ADDING ONE BECAUSE IT ENTERTAINS ME. SO TAKE THAT.
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austinmcc
11-23-2013
07:49 PM ET (US)
Thanks for masoning me and being pretty chatty. I would suggest being relatively active in thread over the next couple days. As people die, thread gets less spammy, so it's easier to follow.
And if you're town, you need to have some presence and take some stances that you back up, because otherwise you're going to get mislynched in short order, once we're down to a bunch of ?s.
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LoneMeow
11-23-2013
07:52 PM ET (US)
I'm a pretty kitty. A very pretty kitty. Meow :3
Here is the very end of D3 and N3 for our mason chat. I wanted him to answer questions about BC's final posts before I put those questions in thread, so I cut them from the last mason chat I posted and added them here once he answered.
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On November 24 2013 09:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
if you think pandain is certain town then you should agree with me that austin is scum. one of those 2 is scum for sure. and slam is way too low on your list. Just like one of our hatters was scum!
Owait...you're saying that neither is.
Should I give up on trying to get you to provide reasoning for your earlier scumread? You're just gonna go the no justification route, because that's what feels super townie to you?
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That is a smelly idea. We have good lynches and good reads without extra nonsense, and this town in particular has been heavily sidetracked by claims 'n' stuff.
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Why is risen mafia, cheese?
Why is thrawn not mafia, or less likely mafia?
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On November 24 2013 10:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
We're following SS's list.
Why are you following SS's list?
What's your read on thrawn?
Why were/are you scummy on LM?
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