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On November 18 2013 23:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Are you going anywhere with this Rayn? I thought of the same answers when I read your post initially, even though I was aware there were no cops in the setup.
Koshi is probably town. If he was scum he would know there are no cops, framers & millers and would have given "lol there are no cops" answer most likely.
I am just puzzled why he seems to be implying Grackaroni is scum because that's really bad assumption. I can't figure out why Mocsta would bus the "most likely to be lynched scum on D2" in the game when he has many other options. That's like really dumb and i don't think that was the strategy of the scumteam. It's so surreal i don't even know how anyone in this game could think so.
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Like seriously:
- Push this weak townie
- Push this weak townie
- Push this weak townie
- Push this strong townie who looks bad
- Bus Grackaroni because i have a better role than he does
"I choose bus Grackaroni of those options on N1".
WTF GUYS? Does anyone in this game have an idea what to do and what to not do as scum? I doubt...
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On November 18 2013 23:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 23:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Are you going anywhere with this Rayn? I thought of the same answers when I read your post initially, even though I was aware there were no cops in the setup. Koshi is probably town. If he was scum he would know there are no cops, framers & millers and would have given "lol there are no cops" answer most likely. I am just puzzled why he seems to be implying Grackaroni is scum because that's really bad assumption. I can't figure out why Mocsta would bus the "most likely to be lynched scum on D2" in the game when he has many other options. That's like really dumb and i don't think that was the strategy of the scumteam. It's so surreal i don't even know how anyone in this game could think so. I don't think that's a reliable method you used because I had just read the OP a bit before you asked it and my gut reaction would've been similar to Koshi's. The human mind responds irrationally to threatening situations, and I wouldn't find it hard to imagine him responding the same way as scum.I don't think Koshi actually thinks Grack is scum right now, just that a Grack scumteam would include you, unless I'm miscontruing his post.
Yeah because you are town. Scum tend to be careful about their answers, especailly Koshi. I know this for a fact.
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On November 18 2013 23:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 23:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 23:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Are you going anywhere with this Rayn? I thought of the same answers when I read your post initially, even though I was aware there were no cops in the setup. Koshi is probably town. If he was scum he would know there are no cops, framers & millers and would have given "lol there are no cops" answer most likely. I am just puzzled why he seems to be implying Grackaroni is scum because that's really bad assumption. I can't figure out why Mocsta would bus the "most likely to be lynched scum on D2" in the game when he has many other options. That's like really dumb and i don't think that was the strategy of the scumteam. It's so surreal i don't even know how anyone in this game could think so. I don't think that's a reliable method you used because I had just read the OP a bit before you asked it and my gut reaction would've been similar to Koshi's. The human mind responds irrationally to threatening situations, and I wouldn't find it hard to imagine him responding the same way as scum.I don't think Koshi actually thinks Grack is scum right now, just that a Grack scumteam would include you, unless I'm miscontruing his post. Yeah because you are town. Scum tend to be careful about their answers, especailly Koshi. I know this for a fact. Koshi doesn't strike me as a careful poster. Do you remember a scumgame of his where you felt this was the case?
Yes i do. GoT.
There he got accused by Dandel and some other people. He came to scum QT saying "fuuuucckkk.. i dunno what to do i go inactive shit i can't say anything at all".
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Artanis i will now explain this in detail.
If Koshi was scum he would know i am town. He would also be aware there are no cops, framers or millers because his scumteam has no framers 100%. I ask him a weird question. He also knows me pretty well. He would therefore know there is something i am trying to achieve with my question. What is rayn after? What's he trying to accoplish with this? What the fuck do i need to answer.
Therefore - as scum - he would most likely give an answer that can't go wrong with, which would be "lol rayn there are not cops in this game".
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On November 18 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 23:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 23:44 Koshi wrote:
Hey hey hey. I am right here.
Could you guys read page 4 of BC his filter and tell me that is scummy?
imo it is pretty good. One thing that instantly strikes me is how he changes his read on Storr from scum to null. A possible motivation for that could be knowing that Mocsta's going to shoot him during the night phase, and this way he'll look slightly better. Yeah, but do you think scum already knew they would shoot StorrZerg? And do you think scum were the ones making Storrzerg a viable shot for towncred? Mocsta didn't have to claim and could have easily shot somebody else. Looks more like Mocsta was gathering towncred with that shot, from BC, because he is town.
I think Mocsta was trying to gather towncred from people who actually thought he was scum, like supersoft.
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On November 18 2013 23:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote:On November 18 2013 23:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 18 2013 23:44 Koshi wrote:
Hey hey hey. I am right here.
Could you guys read page 4 of BC his filter and tell me that is scummy?
imo it is pretty good. One thing that instantly strikes me is how he changes his read on Storr from scum to null. A possible motivation for that could be knowing that Mocsta's going to shoot him during the night phase, and this way he'll look slightly better. Yeah, but do you think scum already knew they would shoot StorrZerg? And do you think scum were the ones making Storrzerg a viable shot for towncred? Mocsta didn't have to claim and could have easily shot somebody else. Looks more like Mocsta was gathering towncred with that shot, from BC, because he is town. I'm pretty sure since Mocsta's been setting himself up for that shot quite some time. If he didn't claim it'd look strange. That said, I do see a few things that give me a bit more of a town read on BC, such as his immense anger at SZ and how he starts analyzing Mocsta. His reply towards StorrZerg doesn't suggest that he knows that Storr will die soon. The bit where he still accuses Grack has me clueless though. I can't put a town or scum mindset on that action, just a wtf one.
I don't think that came up as townie at all. It was more like "oh wtf, i guess i need to come up with something from Mocsta now". And then it was some half-arsed bullcrap. Like if you look at the conclusions they are so really weak and don't say anything at all besides "Grack is scum" rofl.
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BC literally says "looking at Mocsta's scum meta he does never talk about his scumbuddies" but right after that he says "but from the people he talks about Grack is scum". He uses Mocstas meta to say "these guys are town" with no other justification but then contradicts himself in sayind "but hey, this is why Grackaroni is scum".
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Yes i do Koshi and there is more which is not relevant until BH flips.
I'll talk more about that then.
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On November 19 2013 00:18 Koshi wrote:
I am totally with you to lynch BH. 100%
I can totally tell you i have a rocksolid case on BC when BH flips red. 100%
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On November 17 2013 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
So to review:
LoneMeow - mason
Skanjab1s - mason
My Mason - mason
HIS Mason - mason
Pandain - mason
VE, time to speak. Who masoned you and who is the other mason who masoned them?
Because thrawn is a mason too so there are a shitton of masons now.
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VisceraEyes this is really important so please answer as soon as possible:
Who is the mason who masoned you and who is their mason?
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Don't worry BC you are not getting lynched today and i am planning on outing a fuckton of scum today.
Any scumreads you have besides Grackaroni`?
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What was an indirect lie?
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If the mason who masoned VE could come out please it would help a lot and save time for us.
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On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1. Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game. Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.
Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.
Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?
Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?
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On November 19 2013 01:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Why are you attempting to blue hunt rayn?
Because masons in this game do not mean shit as there are like 10 of them apparently. Why are you so scared? I am about to out maybe 3 scum based on what VE says.
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Would you trade 1 mason to 3 scum?
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On November 19 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Isnt BC calling Grack town?
Afaik he is not.
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On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.
Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo..
/dunked
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