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On November 23 2013 09:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 09:51 austinmcc wrote:On November 23 2013 09:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 23 2013 09:44 austinmcc wrote:On November 23 2013 09:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 23 2013 09:37 austinmcc wrote:
I still want to lynch BC instead of oats. If I am wrong about things then so be it, but he has been waffling all over "I haven't played a good town game in forever" and "Guys here are my reads and last testament you can win the game if you just follow them," artanis got RBed, BC hasn't been a LARGE factor in the game or been shot, SOMEONE(s) that is relatively veteran-y and somewhat active probably gets put in the mafia group (I don't count coag as a vet for this purpose because I haven't seen him play active scum/help his scum team (tee hee); mig is out for me as a strong townread).
BC has had a number of large-ish, well-reasoned, good lookin' posts. But when he's casually discussing things and active in thread, it tends to be focused on a limited range of topics - his own defense, grack, and earlier today, mig. Maybe he's on to stuff, but I feel like his sexy looking posts are markedly different from his casual posts, and that makes me worried that he's packaging the posts he really needs to make in order to look decent, drawing them up ahead of time, and dropping them to convince people, then dipping out of the thread. If the very convincing posts weren't usually made after long absences, I'd be...more inclined to believe them? Or if they were sloppy or something? I'm pretty sure I do actually believe this. I totally feel why you would feel this way. My only issue with this I a) have been a large factor. Just not in the way you would hope for (being a prime suspect sucks but is still a large part), and b) not being shot theoretically puts you, mig, me all in the same boat as scummyness. I would mention SS as well but well he has pardoner vet vest. Also austin. I recognize you can feel the difference in my posts. I would too. Given that any post I write that's larger then say, 5-10 lines is something I generally spend 30 minutes to an hour just writing, not counting any work gone into filter diving. Its a ton of work, and requires me to spend far more time writing them. I think you can appreciate this as you would know it to be true from doing your own analytical work. Casual posts are things you write quickly. You also shouldn't be blaming me for long absences and huge posts when multiple players are also guilty of this. I am fine with you targetting me but if you are nailing me for certain aspects you should also be looking at others in the same light. I feel that almost all my medium and large-size posts are rushed through, have some poor reasoning in them, and are often difficult to follow. I am TERRIBLE at crafting a really nice-reading post, and if I craft something, it tends to be for maximum stupidity. But...I understand what you're saying, and agree that it SHOULD be that way. I totally agree on the absences thing, and it IS something that I'm looking at or will be looking at. I've got vayne/cheese/you/thrawn/onegu as people who really disappeared for times today. You had way more ... legitimate posts/reads than the rest in that group, most of the rest threw a couple posts together and whooshed away. To some extent, a couple mafia in that group explains why reads are so confused and most people feel like they're chasing their tails today. can I just ask you this one thing for clarification. Why would you just say that of a group of people you are pinning as scum for a largely selected behaviour are you opting to lynch the one performing the most town? I get that I'm a dead man now but I really want to know your thought process on it I think that you have other indicia I'm working off of. Vayne/Cheese/Onegu all fit the bill for what I'm looking for. Thrawn fits the bill but ALSO has his reaction to pandain/me lacking reads, and his odd reaction to your posts on mocsta/grack meta (which I disagree with, and if you're scummy, indicates that he is likely scum because his reaction was so different than others). You get voted over those dudes because - (1) I was already looking at you; (2) stuff last night with Artanis's shot; (3) the mayoral votes are wonky and it feels like scum should have TRIED to get a candidate elected at some point or another, and you sort of fit that; (4) people who got shot last night had you as mafia; (5) some is pure expectations, which are higher of you (from me), than cheese or onegu. As a devils advocate. Why would I as scum not more actively push myself to get into office instead of SS or VE. I could have if I had wanted really pushed for it and likely gotten pardoner over one of those two had I seriously made an effort. Instead I opted to push them in. As well as, why as a player like I am shoot people that view me as scum thus securring my own death when I could instead shoot other people to make them look bad, etc.. Not entirely sure, the mayoral votes are ODD.
Mocsta stayed on himself the whole time, indicating that either scum didn't have a great candidate, had too many people inactive/AFK, or didn't care too much.
If thrawn is scum, hiro was super inactive and that would also lend credence to mafia not being able to really push a candidate, as 1/6 of their voice/votes weren't around.
So I can't tell if you were a mafia campaign that was aborted because of low activity or something, or if mafia didn't care, or if supersoft was a mafia candidate, or WHAT the heck went on. Essentially, if you're saying you, as scum, woudl have pushed for yourself to get into office, then I can come back and say WHO DID SCUM PUSH? Cuz either ss comes out looking bad if scum pushed someone hard, or else scum didn't really have a push on anyone.
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I moved from thrawn to rayn.
Vayne, why am I mafia? I was just outside your scum list 4-5 days ago, then slightly scummy on your list 4 days ago, and since you haven't said a single thing substantively about me except that I'm mafia.
A whole lot has happened since then, and I'm curious about this read of yours.
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Nice try, BC. Quite well played.
gg both of you
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HI SUPERSOFT, WELCOME TO THIS GAME. BC WAS MAFIA AND OATS PROBABLY ISN'T.
WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A SEAT AND JOIN US.
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Vayne, I would like to see why I am da scumz.
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(1) I was the next-to-last vote, BC was actually last. When I swapped, it was 6-6 and risen would have been lynched still. You were right that my vote on thrawn did nothing.
(2) Vayne, you had me as mafia BEFORE these votes. I want to know why.
(3) BC is 100% dead when he swaps votes. Why does he out a scumbuddy and save them?
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On November 23 2013 10:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
I still think the safest double lynches would be pandain/austin or BC/mig because there is mutually exclusive scum in both of these. I am pretty sure about that there ya go, have fun This is not actually any reasoning. Again, I was townie, then barely scum, then somehow became mutually exclusive scum.
I would like to know why this happened and when.
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On November 23 2013 10:10 supersoft wrote:
Rayn and austin screwed that up. How can you be convinced that BC is scum and still trust him to not move his vote rofl. I don't think Risen is mafia. I don't trust BC not to move his vote, but would rather we lynch rayn than Risen.
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On November 23 2013 10:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't discuss with scum austin, im not going to convince you that you are scum and there is no point in pursuing me as I am confirmed town. Pointless discussion. This is entirely false and you know it. You discussed with me during Sandwich Mafia and we were entirely opposed there.
Here, your read on me has swapped without any reasoning at all. Even if you don't discuss with me, you have said absolutely nothing to any other townie about why I was mafia.
So...do go on
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On November 23 2013 10:15 Mig wrote:
Thrawn looks terrible as well. This.
Thrawn's reaction to BC's mocsta/grack stuff was VERY out of place. Let alone everything else, he is one person who had very very very wonky interactions with BC. He also has these weird posts that read like he's the MC for some kind of symposium and BC is the distinguished guest.
On November 18 2013 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC you spent a lot of time digging into moc's filter and came away with basically only town reads. Is your conclusion that scum are probably people he didn't talk about?
And what do you make of this conversation between myself and hopeless? Idk wtf he is trying to accomplish And now, here is Supertown BC, here to talk to us about what mocsta's filter means concerning everyone.
On November 19 2013 01:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC are you calling rayn mafia? What's your srs-ness level on this rayn stuff? BC's back folks, with a new presentation about why rayn might or might not be mafia. Take it away, BC!
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On November 23 2013 10:17 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2013 10:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't discuss with scum austin, im not going to convince you that you are scum and there is no point in pursuing me as I am confirmed town. Pointless discussion. okay then discuss with me. Why is austin scum? he confirmed the rayn lynch with the help of BC, what else is there to say? You had me as mafia BEFORE this. This is not your reasoning.
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On November 23 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 10:21 austinmcc wrote:On November 23 2013 10:17 VayneAuthority wrote:On November 23 2013 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2013 10:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't discuss with scum austin, im not going to convince you that you are scum and there is no point in pursuing me as I am confirmed town. Pointless discussion. okay then discuss with me. Why is austin scum? he confirmed the rayn lynch with the help of BC, what else is there to say? You had me as mafia BEFORE this. This is not your reasoning. then go ahead and push me and look like an asshat for all I care (note the hat pun) see how far it gets you. Stop it.
Why was I mafia? You said I was. You must have had a reason. What was it?
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On November 23 2013 10:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
like I said, call me scum if you think refusing to give any reasons make me scum. I'm not playing your little game
No. You GAVE a reason when asked. My vote.
Except my vote happened after you were calling me mafia already. This isn't a lack of reason. You GAVE a reason that could not have been true.
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It makes you scummy. I need to look you over closer to know if you're scum or not.
But giving reasoning that is false for a read DOES make you look scummy.
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On November 23 2013 10:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea the only mad hatter in the game is scum, you got me You've claimed hatter. You also claim that, with the BC lynch, you're out of bombs. + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
I lost one of my bombs this game already, my only bomb is on BC. so lynching me just kills both of us On November 23 2013 09:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
meh I lose my other bomb then. I'm a VT for all intents and purposes now
If all claims are true, then you think I'm town.
If you don't think I'm town, you recognize that claims don't magically make people town. Nor do crumbs.
Play and flips do.
Yeah, you crumbed a bunch, but BC's posts on town KP are...interesting. On November 21 2013 13:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also HF, its not that I find vaynes claim believable so much as it seems more legit in a way then say, a town vig openly shooting town power roles/players, making excuses to avoid shooting his main read.
IF mig is town then rayne clearly isn't. No way in hell town has 6 night kp + 2 trackers + a med + a rber +apparently now 2 vets
Do you honestly think town has 3 kill roles, 2 dts, a med, a rber and 2 vets + a bunch of masons? Exclusing masons that would leave what ? 9 power roles vs whatever the mafia has? Thats still more power roles than mafia has numbers and incredibly fucking broken for town.
There is no way there are 3 town kp roles. Of those 3 claims 1 is dead and flipped town, 1 has actively shot town. Do I think vayne looks good? Not really but his claim is more believable. BC says it's unlikely mig/artanis/rayne are all town, because that's just too much KP. Despite your claiming hatter too, posting pictures, etc., he doesn't even address your hatter claim or include you. He's specifically addressing town KP and he leaves you out.
After mig/I are arguing with him about this, he finally posts in response to mig talking about BC believing you/rayn but not him:On November 21 2013 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 14:21 Mig wrote:
It is common sense, I wasnt shooting you artanis said he wasnt. Tell me the scenario where mafia wants to kill you lol. You said yourself you were under the most suspicion. I didnt "know" you wouldnt die but it had to be 99%+.
I refuse to believe you can be town with this thinking. If you were town I think you come back realize I am almost certainly town and work to actually pick out a scum. This is just your mafia hail mary. The fact you snap believe VA and rayn and just push me while refusing to listen to reason seals it. what fucking reason? You seriously believe you can make some bullshit excuse on why you didnt shoot me all because artanis claimed he was going to? You admit you expected to die. You admit you were sure he was being rbed As such why the fuck didn't you shoot me? You say in which scenario where mafia wants to kill me. Guess what, I think your mafia and you didnt shoot me, thus hey, we are in a scenario in which mafia didn't want to kill me. If you were 99% sure that without your shot I wasn't dying and don't shoot me (your top scum read) then you are fucking scum. Its an obvious setup to a misslynch. And as for snap believe rayn and VA? i still think one of them is likely lying as well. Because again, 6 town kp is fucking retarded broken vs 6 scum. I don't believe town has 7+ non mason roles. But hey, maybe this is cause marv has been around long enough to not only see some of the flames hosts have gotten for that shit hes heard it more than once from people he talks to. I currently however am looking strongly at the one guy who has claimed a role + acted in a way that screams fucking scum.
And after rayn says he's not a hatter, BC doesn't readdress this. He doesn't discuss you vs. mig for truthfulness. He puts you as a null read and doesn't discuss you at all. Despite saying "quote"
Mig
Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim.[/quote] in his fake will, he doesn't mention you period besides null.
Among other things, this is an oddity:
When BC is discussing town KP, he says it's gotta be artanis + (rayn or mig), but can't have 3 town kp. He leaves vayne out, forgets that whole bit.
When rayn claims he wasn't a hatter, BC does not go back and address artanis + (vayne or mig).
When giving his reads, BC says he BELIEVES mig, indicating it's artanis + mig. But he doesn't say you're scummy. He doesn't say you MIGHT be scum. He doesn't address the EXACT SAME SCENARIO that he address with rayn/mig.
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Oops, there's a "quote" and [/quote] there. Post should read:
On November 23 2013 10:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea the only mad hatter in the game is scum, you got me You've claimed hatter. You also claim that, with the BC lynch, you're out of bombs. + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
I lost one of my bombs this game already, my only bomb is on BC. so lynching me just kills both of us On November 23 2013 09:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
meh I lose my other bomb then. I'm a VT for all intents and purposes now
If all claims are true, then you think I'm town.
If you don't think I'm town, you recognize that claims don't magically make people town. Nor do crumbs.
Play and flips do.
Yeah, you crumbed a bunch, but BC's posts on town KP are...interesting. On November 21 2013 13:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also HF, its not that I find vaynes claim believable so much as it seems more legit in a way then say, a town vig openly shooting town power roles/players, making excuses to avoid shooting his main read.
IF mig is town then rayne clearly isn't. No way in hell town has 6 night kp + 2 trackers + a med + a rber +apparently now 2 vets
Do you honestly think town has 3 kill roles, 2 dts, a med, a rber and 2 vets + a bunch of masons? Exclusing masons that would leave what ? 9 power roles vs whatever the mafia has? Thats still more power roles than mafia has numbers and incredibly fucking broken for town.
There is no way there are 3 town kp roles. Of those 3 claims 1 is dead and flipped town, 1 has actively shot town. Do I think vayne looks good? Not really but his claim is more believable. BC says it's unlikely mig/artanis/rayne are all town, because that's just too much KP. Despite your claiming hatter too, posting pictures, etc., he doesn't even address your hatter claim or include you. He's specifically addressing town KP and he leaves you out.
After mig/I are arguing with him about this, he finally posts in response to mig talking about BC believing you/rayn but not him:On November 21 2013 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 14:21 Mig wrote:
It is common sense, I wasnt shooting you artanis said he wasnt. Tell me the scenario where mafia wants to kill you lol. You said yourself you were under the most suspicion. I didnt "know" you wouldnt die but it had to be 99%+.
I refuse to believe you can be town with this thinking. If you were town I think you come back realize I am almost certainly town and work to actually pick out a scum. This is just your mafia hail mary. The fact you snap believe VA and rayn and just push me while refusing to listen to reason seals it. what fucking reason? You seriously believe you can make some bullshit excuse on why you didnt shoot me all because artanis claimed he was going to? You admit you expected to die. You admit you were sure he was being rbed As such why the fuck didn't you shoot me? You say in which scenario where mafia wants to kill me. Guess what, I think your mafia and you didnt shoot me, thus hey, we are in a scenario in which mafia didn't want to kill me. If you were 99% sure that without your shot I wasn't dying and don't shoot me (your top scum read) then you are fucking scum. Its an obvious setup to a misslynch. And as for snap believe rayn and VA? i still think one of them is likely lying as well. Because again, 6 town kp is fucking retarded broken vs 6 scum. I don't believe town has 7+ non mason roles. But hey, maybe this is cause marv has been around long enough to not only see some of the flames hosts have gotten for that shit hes heard it more than once from people he talks to. I currently however am looking strongly at the one guy who has claimed a role + acted in a way that screams fucking scum.
And after rayn says he's not a hatter, BC doesn't readdress this. He doesn't discuss you vs. mig for truthfulness. He puts you as a null read and doesn't discuss you at all. Despite saying
Mig
Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim.
in his fake will, he doesn't mention you period besides null.
Among other things, this is an oddity:
When BC is discussing town KP, he says it's gotta be artanis + (rayn or mig), but can't have 3 town kp. He leaves vayne out, forgets that whole bit.
When rayn claims he wasn't a hatter, BC does not go back and address artanis + (vayne or mig).
When giving his reads, BC says he BELIEVES mig, indicating it's artanis + mig. But he doesn't say you're scummy. He doesn't say you MIGHT be scum. He doesn't address the EXACT SAME SCENARIO that he address with rayn/mig.
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On November 23 2013 11:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
difference being rtard that im the only hatter claim in the game. there are other vet claims. (1) rayn also claimed hatter
(2) semi-open setup, we don't know there IS a hatter
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On November 23 2013 11:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
rayn just died and is not a hatter. good lord.
if austin is town for a third time and saying stupid shit yet again to fuck with my reads then he is just a lost cause, idk what else to say. he makes me tunnel him every game because it's impossible to ignore his idiotic logic. He calls me scum every game that I am anywhere near confirmed town. Ah, you mean only hatter claim LEFT in the game. There were multiple CLAIMED hatters in the game, rayn just ain't alive.
Heck, am I supposed to go ALL THE CLAIMED HATTERS THAT HAVE FLIPPED SO FAR WEREN'T HATTERS. THEREFORE VAYNE ISN'T HATTER GG.
A claim doesn't make you town. Crumbs don't make you town. A claim doesn't make you that role. Crumbs don't make you that role.
Why was I mafia?
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On November 23 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
so your stance is that there is every town role in the game except mine despite me having the best crumbs by far in the game?
well you have my vote tomorrow. afk until then No. My stance is that we don't know what roles are actually present in the game.
We also haven't seen a town roleblocker flip yet, we just have ss's claim.
We haven't seen a scum rolecop.
We haven't seen a scum goon.
We haven't seen a scum suicide bomber.
We can infer a scum roleblocker based on artanis.
So no, there are currently MULTIPLE town roles we haven't seen actually flip. And multiple mafia roles. We don't know what is and isn't in the game.
If you ever flip and are mafia though, that statement looks very good for ss and his claim.
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On November 23 2013 12:50 Mig wrote:
Town should still consider Coag/Thrawn as possibilities for tomorrows lynch. Along with looking through BC's posts. Don't get sidetracked with austin/va stuff tho. I'm fine with this post, but what makes you townie on Vayne?
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