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austinmcc
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On November 22 2013 07:25 Coagulation wrote: He's not the only one, a bunch of people have been fully mia for the first bit of today. LM and thrawn are both there as well.what do you guys think about pandian dropping off the face of the earth ? And artanis. I ain't seen ANY ghostly WOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOO posts. | ||
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I want to maek chat. | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:31 supersoft wrote: maek = make. Sorry. Stupid accents don't come out well in text.i am at least unsure. does that count? what is a maek chat... You are mainly unsure about BC because of your D1 mason chat, yes? | ||
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Do you like BC otherwise? I don't need mega stuff, just easy banter here, I need to run through something | ||
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Really, for me, I can understand your thoughts on N1 (if you're town). We DO have a missing KP. You have one way of explaining it that town as a whole didn't know about. You have reason to think that if oats is responsible for the KP, BC is town. But we also have Artanis and OOH getting shot last night, both scummy on BC (and LoneMeow). And Artanis went through the trouble of TRYING to draw a RB by claiming he was gonna shoot BC. It's POSSIBLE that scum decide they want to roleblock Artanis, keep him from shooting townBC, so that they can hopefully lynch townBC today. But...HOLY HELL WHY!? I know that's possible, but scum RBed a town vigi using a bullet on a townie in that scenario. Scum have 5 players. BC maybe has a role, maybe has good arguments, maybe can DO something. Heck, if nothing else if BC has good scumreads, why doesn't scum let him get shot last night? Even if they want him around for a mislynch, that's 48 hours of active BC, and active BC giving reads because he's going to die. If i'm scum, I don't want that. I don't leave a guy up, even if he's had a bad game at the start, because he MIGHT screw me over. 48 hours is a long time for someone who can play well when they try. Why am I wasting a scum power, the roleblock, on a townie when, if I let their shot go through, IT KILLS A TOWNIE THAT I DON'T WANT ALIVE. This is the bit that really, really gets at me. The people that died last night were both scummy on BC. Artanis got blocked, because I didn't take a hit. And he said he was aiming at BC. I don't think that scum go and RB artanis if BC is town, because that's a free kill they're passing up for uncertainty today. So...what are your thoughts on Artanis getting RBed? You are relatively sure that your RB is relevant to alignments, making oats mafia and BC probably town. But the RB on Artanis last night is ALSO somewhat telling, imo. There's a WIFOMy explanation, sure, but it requires: (1) scum using a power to stop a townie from shooting a townie (as far as they knew); and (2) scum wanting to keep BC alive for 48 more hours. I don't like those | ||
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BC has made some persuasive posts for people today. But I want to see how they feel when EVERYTHING is on the table. People keep picking and choosing bits and pieces of what someone has done, and it needs to stop. There seems to be a lot of (relative) short term memory loss, where people are making reads based off of what JUST happened and what someone JUST posted. We got NKs, we got claimed actions, we got DAYS of posting. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:03 supersoft wrote: Which is fine, I'm just paranoid that: (1) we've wasted half of a double-lynch pretty important D3 and (2) there's a nonzero chance you're scum and (3) PEOPLE KEEP ASKING FOR LISTS AND MAKING LISTS AND IT'S A DOUBLE LYNCH WITH ONE REALLY UP IN THE AIR AND I GET PARANOID THIS IS SOUNDING FROM SCUM AND IF EVERYONE IS POSTING THESE LISTS WE CAN FIND A NICE HAPPY AGREEABLE 2ND LYNCH THAT, OOPSIES, IS TOWN.As I said, I need more time for BC. How do you like my list and my short-form-cases on thrawn, coag, risen? - cant sleep - Just paranoid. I don't love your scum list. Thrawn's been scum for me. Coag is ... I'm less convinced. There's a useless --> something not useless swap here, but it also coincides with power. I think if he were scum he could also play things slightly different, could have just done NOTHING EVER but hammer on grack from the moment grack said they were masoned. He's been almost-semi-active, he responded to me about BC, and so I absolutely don't think he's a lynch for today. This doesn't QUITE feel like pure useless scum coag. As far as risen, I also don't think he's a lynch for today. I've seen him get called townie and then 100% zone out of a game, and this is worryingly similar to that. I'm happy if he gets pressured, gets voted, and want to see what happens. Like if risen were a laboratory where a mad scientist was experimenting on townspeople, and the town formed a mob to go burn down risen (who again, is a building in this scenario), I might not grab a torch and march with him, but I would let them all pass by, and maybe 15 seconds later, when they were out of earshot, I might say under my breath "Oh no, don't do that, he's probably a nice building." That's about my confidence level on Risen right now? | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:06 Mig wrote: Currently still leaning on LM or thrawn. Have considered BC/(supersoft or oats), just to solve that situation a little harder, but I think that's lazy and I'd rather read into those two more and not try to solve a puzzle by killing most of the players.Austin who are you leaning towards with your second vote? Risen looking like a pretty good choice right now. His play in the last day or so is actively harming the town. He has some ridiculous policy lynch reason for voting grack (which he didn't have for BH). And looking at the GoT mafia game he can be actively very helpful as town. Also there is this post He says that LM has pretty good reads, which included mattchew as scum, then says the shot on mattchew was scummy. I'll give Risen a more critical look. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I can absolutely understand how frustrating it is. Heck, it's one reason I claimed a little before I maybe should have, because I wanted my posts to try and remove some suspicion and be taken a little more seriously/townily. And just last game I was flailing around with a number of confirmed townies on my nuts. So yeah, I understand.Austin, to give you an idea. Anyone who's read my last big town game would realize that not only did I make it to lylo with palmar and geript. I proceeded to then fuck it all up and lose town the game as town. My town game is currently god awful. My best analysis these days comes from when A) im not even playing or B) when im third party Every now and again Ill have surges of brilliance where I will pin people fast and hard. But the fact of the matter is with the new crew of players that play now I can't analyze them for shit. The current skills I have for analysis don't apparently apply to this forum anymore. When I played at my prime a trolly chez was usually someone you could quickly differentiate as being useful or not and then kill him with whatever means and he'd flip whatever he was playing. Was he trolling? Yes but it clearly pushed one sides agendas over another. In this game I am being told active trolling, regardless of actions, are a town tell. Before anyone disagree's with me. The only reason none of you want to off grack is because he almost got mocsta killed day 1. You asked in one of your newer posts, put everything on the bloody table. Does grack still seem town? Hell, I even put all of mig's actions on the table and got flamed for it. Austin you honestly seem pretty legit right now and aside from the fact you are trying to persuade people not voting for me to vote for me you have your head on straight. I've spent part of the last day just trying to cool down and slowly work through filters. My scum reads haven't really changed. As terrible as that sounds my reads really haven't changed horrifically. I still have grack, hopeless, and holy as scum reads. I can easily see thrawn being scum. Aside from a really strong early game start he really hasn't done too much. I have already said why Mig could easily be scum. His play as town doesn't line up as the logical person he says he is. Supersoft and pandain are clearly town to me, coag, rayn and you austin are likely town as well. Koshi could go either way. Aside from that most people have been utterly useless. Ive attempted to contribute and been essentially told to fuck off each time. Do you know how frustrating it is to post something that I know is fucking logical and be told im wrong for no reasons? Yes i know my meta grack/mocsta stuff was bad but I was seriously tunnel visioned. We then have a ton of people who randomly pipe in and dont do anything but vote and peace out. This entire game is one of the most pro mafia environments i've ever seen and its no wonder that we as a town are going to lose this game unless we stop being retards. But the problem is that ... I think you view your town game currently with a more critical eye than Joe Mafia. I have not hyperscrutinized your recent town games. I tend to think of you as playing well from both alignments, and, in my head, the average mafia player would assume you're a threat. i THINK that would be the general consensus, because nobody else has the full breadth of info that you have on yourself. I have to work from that viewpoint. Heck, even if you were super mega useless, when presented with two scenarios, (1) BC is town, mafia has a roleblocker, mafia chose to use the roleblock on a townie guy who was shooting at BC or (2) BC is mafia, mafia has a roleblocker, mafia chose to use the roleblock on a townie guy who was shooting at BC, (2) seems more likely. (1) is POSSIBLE, and I guess if you're REALLY hating on your towngame, (1) could happen. But in any case, scum is sacrificing the ability to roleblock someone and hope they hit gold for the opportunity to NOT have a townie die tonight. I think that is less likely than the scenario in which you're mafia. I know other options exist, but right now that makes more sense to me. In terms of grack, yes, I still think he's town. There are SO MANY questionable folks that it's not like he's sitting out there alone looking weird. Yes, the biggest thing in his favor is mocsta/grack interactions, but that's a real thing, and I don't believe that scumMocsta comes out that hard on scumbuddy grack when there are still like...96 hours until a lynch. That's the key for me, just hard fighting seems less likely when it's so far from a lynch. As far as mig, he has looked town to me for most of the game. I know you dislike some of his actions, and his sharrant shot is wonky, but I interpret the whole "wish I'd shot BC" bit differently than you do, and I'm not torn up about a mattchew shot. Yes, a lot of points in this game are spammy/trolly/do-nothing, but it's up to us to fix that (us = everyone here). Oh well. Makes the game harder, makes solving it/winning more fun. Can I ask you to look at, or give thoughts on, thrawn and LM? They're in discussion today, they keep popping up for people without tons of reasoning, and I'd like to hear from you on them. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Why these two?Lets lynch Coag and Risen today. I dunno why/how you think my play is different from the other games I've played with you SS, but whatever. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:11 Oatsmaster wrote: You think power loss could play into that? Or ... he hasn't looked coag-y since coming back anyway.Risen is totally faking the crazy town right now. And Coag who caught 2-3 mafia on day 1 in PYP has done jack shit NOTHING this entire game. | ||
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If you could be masoned with any 2 people in this game, 3 man conversation, who would you mason? | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:23 Holyflare wrote: He had a back and forth with VE about your mayoral post and whether it was prewritten. Read like he was interested in VE's thoughts, figuring out his alignment.Please elaborate because I got a completely different feel from d1/d2 Asks random little questions of mocsta, or comments at him:This post ain't mafia on mafia, imo. I'd expect either NOTHING, no comment to your scumbuddy on some throwaway comment, or DISTANCE, actively questioning this by saying NOPE, found this other game, you're wrong, why you making sharrant look bad? Oats takes this middle path, interacts but not in an accusatory manner. He poked at me about Hiro being my top townread, when someone else started that discussion with me. It felt like legitimate poking. ESPECIALLY if thrawn is scum, I don't really see oats being scum here. Had a back and forth with rayn concerning risen AND one concerning LM. There are just all these little followup questions in his conversations with people early. It appears that he's not just dicking around, not doing anything anti-town, but instead is just oatsing about. He's aware of what's happening, he's interacting with people INCLUDING flipped scum mocsta and other people I think are scummy, and not in a way that reads as scum/scum interaction for me. And none of it reads scripted, forced, anything, it looks like he's leaned back in a chair, feet up on the desk, just doin' oats stuff. | ||
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