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On November 04 2013 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote: raynpelikoneet wassup? | ||
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I can't read OO for shit. I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts. Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell. gumshoe .... thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely. ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts. hzflank i can read. Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die. and yeah, that's it. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:14 ObviousOne wrote: You were scum with Vayne in Les Mafia right WoS? What do you want to know, i can answer. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:23 ObviousOne wrote: Just making sure I remembered correctly. I figured out he was scum in that game relatively handily by just starting to read towards the last day or two of the game and how his narrative started to fall apart (to me, as an uninvested observer). Are you familiar with his more recent scum games and has it improved significantly if you are? I want to know what the hell does this have to do with Vayne and why? Afaik WoS has not been scum since Les. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Also this made me laugh. For the record, I have only been scum once, in that game. I have never once professed to be 'really good' at it, though I wish I could roll it more often to find out. Although I guess we're kinda like scum in this game 'cause we're trying to kill the good guys, right? No really. I have always somehow assumed (regardless of my alignment) i have a good grasp of your "meta". And i just realized that's fucking bullshit. | ||
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I have no ide why i have done so before.. | ||
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I find the word Vayne totally unnecessary in that question because Vayne is not in this game afaik. Townies tend to not put useless words in their posts, so why is it there? | ||
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Sylencia i don't think Vanesco is scum. | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote: He's pretty unapologetic about basically having dick all for most of the day thus far. Doesn't strike me as scummy at the moment, since as you well know it is certainly possible for town not to have strong scumreads on the first day. I do see a marked difference in what I did D1 in ## and what thrawn is doing right now and I will be keeping watch. Rayn, are you going to be playing this game? May as well tell me now. I mean two of his reads are "i have not read their posts". And two of them are "they have not done anything". well that's as much reasoning i have given at this point for someone being scum (which is nothing). At least i do not have 4 targets, only one atm. I will be playing the game, i will tell you who is scum. I don't know yet for sure about who is scum. thrawn were you serious when you said you don't remember Sylencia playing scum? | ||
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thrawn i find that hard to believe because the last game you played here Sylencia was scum in.. | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:44 ObviousOne wrote: Preferable to the out-of-cigarettes Rayn. If you read the last page of my filter.. I was not lying regardless of my alignment. | ||
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After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too.. | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:54 ObviousOne wrote: I thought this was a drunk posting joke. I'm all about dae jokesen. No i really mean it - read my last page of filter from ## game if you are curious. | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:56 ObviousOne wrote: Was your cutting back on spamming in general a tactical move to improve your play (deliberate choice) or just a side effect of other committments? opposite. just because i do not care when i am expected to have near 24/7 activity. | ||
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I don't think that's scummy at all. I had the same kind of train of thought about Vanesco that i see from WoS. Just because WoS did post his thought process in many parts does that make him scum? What's wrong in the thought process, i don't anything wrong with it - maybe i am biased because i thought basically the same at first and reached into similar conclusion than WoS did - but could you elaborate more on why the thought process can't come from a townie? | ||
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First you point out general stuff like "Scum is under constant pressure, scum is also more likely to be inconsistent.". This is not true at all, scum are far more concerned about their image and keeping their story straight than townies are. You call out WoS for trying to look like town because scum try hard to look like town. Townies don't? Then you bring up examples but you do not tell why WoS' actions are scum-motivated rather than town motivated. Then you say this: "Why would one as town ever want to intentionally cause suspicion on himself along his comrades?". You just called you WoS for doing something you are arguing against here. That's the first 33% of your case. Next is the Van thing i addressed already. You bring up many times "this could be scumplay or townplay". That's not convincing and i stop reading an argument that says so because you yourself debunk the argument. You do not tell why WoS "defending" Van must come from scum and cannot come from a townie. That's another 33%. Last part is saying WoS does not have definite scumreads. Nobody does because it's 24h into the game. Just because he does not make a 1000 word case 24h into D1 and is not certain of who is scum does not make him scum, or if it does in your opinion, feel free to tell why because you sure are not telling that in your case. That's the last 33% of the case. 1% is spaces. | ||
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Being undecisive at this point of the game or asking other people's opinions is not scummy. That's pretty much everything i have to say. Of course it would be cool if everyone played perfectly and pressured people and shut down cases/arguments that are obviously bad but that's unfortunately what people are capable of doing. ##Vote: gumshoe just because i do not like anything he has said this game. | ||
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On November 05 2013 12:47 Umasi wrote: am I misunderstanding what you just said? One of the things I dislike about Vanesco is his attempt to stop discussion about coven powers. am I misinterpreting what you just wrote or did you misinterpret what I said? second scum read=echelontee third scum read=Sn0 Still watching rayn. There is no reason to discuss the coven powers ans i dislike every comment that talks about them. It does absolutely no good to town atm. | ||
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On November 05 2013 12:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Come on dude, this is a bit of a copout. Can you explain at all? I really don't think a scum gumshoe would go through the effort to do what he did---do you remember his play from Basterd? tbh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why. After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me. | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright let's play a game. It's called, 'What are people's reads on Syl?' When I get 3-4 answers I will explain my own and why. Bonus points to hzflank if he is one of them. Umasi too. Also Rayn. I think his posting before the last couple of posts is fine. I don't like his vote on ET - what it is based on, and how it happened. ET's posting Sylencia calls him out for was fine at that point he posted the case on thrawn. There is nothing wrong with it and while thrawn has imo made better posts now it seems like Syl is trying to say "look at this guy voting for a person many people think is town" and misrepresenting the vote based on circumstances that were present when ET actually made the vote. Also the vote happened after Sylencia called Cephiro "something to watch out for", then he goes reading filters and suddenly there is a vote on ET as a result of filter diving (in about 15 minutes, i doubt he read many filters..) and i don't like it at all. | ||
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The last quote is actually the only thing that i agree is scummy and in addition to that there are more of those in thrawn's filter. But, why are you picking some random quotes from thrawn's filter and make it look like he has not contributed much? Can you do a compilation of thrawn's & gumshoe's contributions to the game and show me thrawn has contributed more than gumshoe has, because afaik that's what you are accusing thrawn of? Vanesco why are you accusing thrawn of his vote on me because you did the exact same thing with yours? And what bandwagon am i jumping on? Basically again, you are doing the same thing you are accusing me of, "jumping on a bandwagon on thrawn" perhaps? | ||
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On November 05 2013 16:13 EchelonTee wrote: My memory was wrong on Liar Game (Cephiro did not open with a big multiperson post), but my point still stands on the difference between Hogwarts and this game. This is not alignment indicative for Cephiro. If you did even read the thread in hogwarts D1 you would know it. | ||
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On November 05 2013 16:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Because I don't think gumshoe is scum. You have done exactly nothing to demonstrate that he is. Why would I vote him? Aside from couple of weak townread for no reasoning this is what his filter says: Right now I feel like lynching into Unegu/ obvius one. They seem to be the most likely culprits based off their shoddy posting and reactions to my wall of text. This is based on his fake case on you. And that's it. There are so many words and his whole filter says less than this post of mine. | ||
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I have no idea what to think about it either. Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe? | ||
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I think it's not alignment indicative. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:37 EchelonTee wrote: I don't think he is scummier than the people I am talking about. A while ago i commented on your case and asked you to do something. Any reason why you are refusing to answer me? | ||
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##Vote: EchelonTee There are a couple of huge problems in ET's posts and actions this game. This is his reasoning for thrawn's rayn vote originally: Thrawn votes rayn but never really explains why. Does not quote rayn or outline his reasoning. Yet he wants to "fucking lynch him". This does not feel like a real scum read to me. There is a very clear reasoning in thrawn's post yet ET "fails to see it". It is a pressure vote and anyone who pays even a little attention should know it, at least when thrawn unvotes me immediately when i start contributing. He also brings up this quote from Desert: A brief filter of analysis of Thrawn's previous two games, Desert Mini and British Empire Mini corroborate my views. Posts like these outline clear reasons why Thrawn views there's players as scum and show an intent to scumhunt. In this game, he has done a lot of lists and lightly push rayn for a lack of activity. I think there is a stark contrast. There are two problems with the bolded part. (1) The post in question is from day 3. There are over 100 pages of content in that game at that point. Thrawn is scum because he fails to make analysis like in Desert 7 irl-days into the game compared to this game's 24 hours? Does that sound a legit reason? I can tell you it is a ridiculous reason. (2) In the end of the bolded part EchelonTee clearly implies he in fact knew why thrawn voted for me, something he brought up in the very same post of his. So the earlier reason for thrawn being scum for voting me "with no real reasoning" is a lie and the wording he uses earlier is designed to make thrawn look worse than it is. It is scum motivated act, i use it a lot when i am scum - specific wording that makes the target look much worse than they actually are and what is said can be interpreted in many ways so i already have an out in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to do that as town. When he is being questioned more about his reasoning behind thrawn's vote on me he says this: I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now. I can tell you this is a straight out lie. I know he has been in thrawn's filter in Desert game, but i can also tell you he has done absolutely nothing in that filter, "skimmed" is a very strong word. Because of the following: - If you enter thrawn's filter from Desert mini mafia, this is the first post in his filter. I will make it so big everyone understands: On September 03 2013 11:15 thrawn2112 wrote: I forgot my password for the smurf account, tried to password reset, then forgot the email account associated with it.  Oh well If you go into someone's filter and miss what the first post there says there is no way you have done anything at all in that filter. If you are unable to pay that little attention i do not believe you have done anything there. thrawn smurfed in that game and forgot his pasword on somewhere during N2 or D3. If EchelonTee had read the first post in thrawn's filter, he would know he actually needs to read this filter instead: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=Tutankoopa Now if you actually skim through this filter you will notice that that probably 40% of thrawn's posts are about me. There is a huge massive interaction with me and thrawn during the game. I don't even know what ET means with saying "If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so.." because noone is talking thrawn being town here, ET is acting like someone needs to prove thrawn is town, otherwise he is scum which is not how this game works. It is ET's job to prove someone is scum, which he is flipping upside down here. This is what EchelonTee says about my case on gumshoe: On November 05 2013 17:48 EchelonTee wrote: Posts like these show effort and contribution to me, even if I don't really agree with the content. The second post in particular is one that I don't see a scum gumshoe doing. Thrawn has not contributed as much as these posts of gumshoe's. This is exactly why i am arguing for gumshoe being scum in my case. The first post ET quotes is a fake case on WoS, therefore it is not a contribution as i have pointed out. Therefore it does not matter if it's effort because in any case regardless of gumshoe's affiliation it is faked effort as i have already pointed out. The second post also does not contribute anything. I already quoted what that post in fact says and nobody has proven me wrong. ET does not prove me wrong, he just says those posts contribute, while i am asking him especially how they do contribute. This is not an answer to my question, this is misrepresenting my argument. TLRD; (1) EchelonTee's reasoning for thrawn being scum changes half-way through D1 for some parts of his argument. When townies do this they add new content to their case. EchelonTee, instead of doing this, changes his reasoning for old content to fit his case better. There is no town motivation for doing so. (2) EchelonTee does "skim through player's filter from another game" without actually even skimming through it. There is no town motivation to go into other player's filter from another game and then do nothing there. [u](3) EchelonTee when being called out for his case says "prove to me he is town". This is not how the game works and everyone should know this. This is a justification to sit on his vote when he can't actually prove (as it seems) thrawn is scum because nobody can possibly prove thrawn is town at this stage of the game. (4) EchelonTee is not paying attention and making up stuff on the fly. This has been proven by many things. His filter skim, his change of reasoning, his answer to my gumshoe case, him asking people's opinions on his case on thrawn and when people give them he misses it. None of those things i can see a townie doing in any situation. | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:40 thrawn2112 wrote: what do you think about hzflank and sylencia ET has put more effort into solving this lynch than most I don't think Sylencia is scum, hz could be anything. What exactly has ET done this game other than bad case on you and been sloppy? He just got mad onme @ Hogwarts when i called him out of saying he knew scum had a fuckton of roles on D1. Dunno if i was right or not but he was scum so i don't find his reaction to bbe a town tell for sure. He didn't even answer anything about the case. If you believe he actually tried to do even some meta analysis on you lol.. | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:55 gumshoe wrote: You all do realize I could have sat back and watched the no lynch go through / : besides I always ninja vote, get killed for it, and have never once flipped scum. Meh while this is true, it's not alignment indicative because of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! WoS knows what i am talking about. | ||
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quick people, what a fuck do we do? | ||
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On November 06 2013 07:06 Cephiro wrote: .... Yeah. Call me stupid for not stubbornly going against the majority. Well, at least I showed fellow town I'm ready to co-operate even if I don't completely agree on something. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing to be honest. Also I'm gonna go sleep right now to get my rhythm fixed, I'm tired. I'll respond all the "lolcephhammer" -accusations that will surely come in the morning. There is nothing wrong with you hammering and i don't know why you feel the need to be so defencive about it.. | ||
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On November 06 2013 08:06 thrawn2112 wrote: Hm? You didn't answer my question. What was the motivation behing your original post? And I still want to hear your opinion on what I brought up, idc that Ceph and sylencia already talked about it because none of them are named raynpelikoneet. I am focused on the fact that you bring it up now for two reasons (which i think i told already - i think that's what you are asking - if not, please clarify): (1) When the issue could have been important you did not bring it up. Instead you voted for the guy who did infact bring it up in the first place. That's odd imo. (2) I do not think what hz brought up means anything, because i felt like syl - ceph cleared the issue up to some extent in thread, and havn't talked since. It's a null tell for Sylencia. | ||
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On November 06 2013 08:19 thrawn2112 wrote: 1) I did not say so at the time but part of what initially made me hesitant about hzflank WAS what he said about Sylencia. Had he not said anything and not given a coherent argument I might have still lynched him. Also, expecting me to have already examined a 20 hr old post is weird. Do you expect me to follow up and do research into every single post and make an issue over everything that happens? No, I don't think that's rational which is sorta making me suspect that you're trying to deflect what I'm bringing up by discrediting how I brought it up. 2) I don't remember what you're referring to but I don't know how much it even matters. If Syl is scum and Ceph is town, Syl and Ceph reaching any kind of truce doesn't really influence what I think about Syl's earlier actions. Also, I just read Syl's filter and don't see anything that clears up the specific issue of "Why is syl discrediting Ceph while not acting as if he thinks Ceph is mafia." If you can show me that then I *might* be able to accept your null read but as it is you're being pretty dodgy about this. (1) No, i expect you to follow up and do research on every post you think is important, which you clearly do, as you stated so. My issue is that the post has been in thread for 20 hours and if you feel like Sylencia has not explained himself why didn't you bring it up earlier? If that in fact is important don't you think that could have been information that could lead us into lynching scum? (2) You were tunnelling him for the majority of the time, and gave Van a scum read through association from your points about WoS. You've given points about other players, I agree, I just thought at the time you were way too focused on WoS, since that filter dive post looks like you were being overly nitpicky over everything he's done. It's not a bad thing to nitpick, there's just a point though where I think you were reaching for points which didn't necessarily imply anything but you put it in a context where it tries to make him look scummy (The first point I found was where you said he was pointing out his own mistakes, which isn't really that implicating) I never said that you should ramble about how unsure you are about a player, but if you'regoing to vote for someone, why not just state why in the first place rather than make people question you? At least it becomes clear from the start where you are coming from. I can see that you answered when asked and you gave your reasoning fairly soon after, I just think it would've had the same effect with less questions about motive if you did it from the start. From what i read here is "i might be wrong in what i said", no? | ||
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Not yet but he is quite useless on D1 anyways and hasn't done anything scummy. I won't go batshit on him becauses given our history in games we played together it's not gonna do anything good. To clarify, me questioning him achieves absolutely nothing regardless of his alignment. | ||
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On November 06 2013 08:36 thrawn2112 wrote: this is so tedious lol Rayn there are probably hundreds of posts that I didn't like when I read them the first time but the reality is that you're not gonna dive into every single post. The truth is that until hzflank restated his case before the lynch I had completely forgotten his points, or what's more likely is that I wasn't paying attention the first time. What irks me is that this is such a nitpicky issue that you've decided to invest your time into so wtf are you doing? What are your conclusions from this conversation? I think we are both right and both "wrong". | ||
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I did the exact same thing in ##, i got back when i could have stayed afk and not get called scum for it. I was scum. There was nothing alignment indicative in that comment because whatever way you look at it it's WIFOM. | ||
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This is extremely relatable to what gumshoe just said---if he didn't show up nobody would have lynched him, and I understand that completely. And this is not true because of the following: (1) hzflank was here defending himself. (2) i just got back, ET lynch was not going to happen for some retarded reason and i really clearly had implied gumshoe was my #2 target for lynch. If we assume gumshoe is scum, it is not really hard to make an educated guess about who is going to be the next lynch target if hzflank lynch does not go through. It is going to be either gumshoe or Onegu. Do you disagree? | ||
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On November 06 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote: You're wrong. Look at the timing of gumshoe's and my posts. How long before you were lynched did you 'come back' from being afk? There's a massive difference. I really don't want to argue with you about this though because it's going to turn the thread into a shitfest and I already know you and I will not see eye-to-eye on this. It's irrelevant right now; I only wanted to know what you were originally referring to. I don't disagree that you would have tried to push him next anyway, but how do you think that would have looked on you if gumshoe hadn't come back at all? WoS i am talking about D1 in ## where i am referring to myself. I don't care how it would look on me. And that's not the argument here. The argument is there is nothing alignment indicative in his comment and i know it because i just did the same thing as scum, therefore the comment can be come from scum. If it could not come from scum i would have flipped town in ## game. If there is something that makes you think mafia!gumshoe could absolutely not say that and it had to be town!gumshoe, then tell me why so we can discuss it. | ||
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On November 06 2013 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote: We've already been over this. Gumshoe's entire early game posting makes no sense from a scum standpoint. (And for the record you are comparing apples and oranges if you are referring to D1 in ##. I disagree and that's all there is to that.) I'm not sure that it makes sense right now to go through his filter here and Basterd to debunk your case on him post-hoc because hindsight is 20/20 (or 6/6 in Canada!) and I can't be sure I won't be biased. That's why i said i hated this D1. I am not claiming i am always right. When i made the original case on gumshoe people did not tell where i was wrong (and i still stand behind my case besides gumshoe's alignment - obviously). PEople just ignored the case or said "no he has contributed here and here" which is not tellingwhere i am wrong because i did very clearly say what i thought gumshoe said in his posts. If i was worng and people thought i was wrong why the fuck would noone go into those posts and tell me: "Look, here. gumshoe says this and that. This means this and that, and it clearly contributes to the game because XYZ." That's how you are supposed to do it. Look at how i answered Cephiro's case on you and ET's case on thrawn. I think the cases were shit. I went through them and told people what i disagreed with. There is no reason why there should be bad/wrong cases in thread at any point of the game because having them distracts the town from scumhunting. That's why people should point out why the cases are bad and not just say "lol bad case" or stay silent. I hope you get what i mean. If i make a case and noone tells me why it is bad then i think i am right. | ||
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On November 06 2013 11:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Like...how the fuck can you even come in here and consider what you posted even worthy of a case that nobody responded to? Your case was so shit nobody even needed to respond to it because it said nothing. You were vague and just said you didn't understand what he posted---and then when I asked you what the scum motivation was for what he posted? You said: Great case, bro. The only one we have to blame for D1 lynch is YOU, and whereas normally I would think the header of a D1 mislynch is alignment non-indicative, I believe it to be completely indicative of you being scum in this case. You had nothing to go on from the very beginning and you feel super strongly enough to call him your second strongest read after ET and THEN get pissed at everyone else to deflect? Scum city bro. I don't know if you have been reading the thread or not but i backed up my gumshoe case with an argument about the differences in his posting in this game and in Basterd. Do i really need to go to my own fucking filter because everyone seems to have missed that post? | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum. Here. It's fucking here. Do not lie about this WoS and stop this shit already. | ||
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So if you thought this was the case why didn't you say that in the first place? Why did you tell me to go look at Basterd game which i did and then did not say anything about it? Why are you letting me run around with shit cases here -- and then call me scum during the night phase for it when you could have done that a fucking day ago if you thought i was wrong? And explain that Onegu comment. I demand a fucking explanation on it right now. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Ughhhhhhhhh the self-vote. Fuck now I do want to change it. I don't know if I've ever really seen scum martyr (self-vote, whatever) like that specifically and he gave us pre-death reads. Rayn he quoted you here---does that thought stand? Is his play too shit to be scum? ##Unvote ET I await your return because I want to see if you can convince me now that I don't have a primary target. I still don't think I'd go Sn0 today (though if he acts the same way tomorrow as he does today he's dead tomorrow) and I feel better about Umasi than I did so maybe it is thrawn. The thought process thing has yet to steer me wrong though, and I would find it odd that thrawn would be so happy-go-lucky about talking about town circles and whatnot... On November 05 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E I have no idea what to think about it either. Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe? On November 05 2013 17:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I see your point but the effort he put in while he WAS here (sporadically) gives me a great deal of pause. Why would he do that as scum? What is the motivation? On November 05 2013 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bleh.. I can't really say. :E I think it's not alignment indicative. The bolded parts. I think we are talking about Onegu all the time. | ||
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On November 05 2013 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: WaveofShadow why do you refuse to talk about gumshoe? Also ET same question? Shouldn't this be a clear indication someone has misundertood something? | ||
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I am going to try to be very polite and not trying to rage when i say this and then i will never bring this up again. The D1 lynch was bad. It was really bad. If you guys really want i can go back and quote all the cases that were "possible lynces" (if you want to put it that way lol) before i made my case on ET. But i can tell you, the cases were in this category -- "geez, someone used a scummy word". Then there is this guy who comes in and says "hey guys we need to consolidate". If this was a newbie game that would be acceptable because you know. But this is not. Consolidating 24h before the deadline with the cases there were is ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous that i made a case, ET gives basically a "fuck you" answer and people tell me "you should see ET is town" because of it. The spoilered thingy is kinda useless and only explains why i get really mad at these games. + Show Spoiler + The guy has 5/5 in his scumgames before Hogwarts and i called him scum for his first post in that game - he was scum. I have also correcty identified Pandain (who had apparently never lost a scumgame before at that point) as scum at last on N1 two games in a row after having played two games with him before that. So yeah, i don't like getting called scum because i said "D1 was shit, your lynch went through, you are not allowed to be mad, you are also scum because ET is totes town (without explaining why)" . In addition to that, i am not going to talk about people who i do not want to lynch at that point in this game. Like it or not, but i think it is beneficial, because of the scum bluesniper role and the bitchcraft elections. I can point out why a case on someone is bad if i think they are town, but if you ask me "what do you think of X" don't expect me to say "he is town because of ABCDE" even if i think so. If you can't see why, idgaf tbh. | ||
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OO is saying scum somehow needed to lynch gumshoe over no-lynch? If that's the case i have no idea why OO thinks scum "needed to hammer gumshoe" based on Cephiro being scum. | ||
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On November 06 2013 15:39 thrawn2112 wrote: hmm. the mafia team is ET Sn0 and Ceph because..... starting point >>> ceph is the most nervous about the lynch -cephiro was apprehensive -maybe he's apprehensive becuase he's waiting for his team to green light gum's death -there's probably 2 scumbuddies causing all of sn0's apprehension -therefore all 3 scum are talking about the gumshoe lynch in the scum qt as it's going down -since all 3 scum are around for the lynch they must have all voted gumshoe at some point conclusion>>> 3 scum were on the mislynch That is absolutely terribad, are you really trying to sell me on this? You're making assumptions each step of the way, assumptions that need only be made if you're trying to justify your conclusion about who the 3 scum are. yeah i basically agree with what you are saying in this post. | ||
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On November 06 2013 18:04 Onegu wrote: Ok, Im back home sorry about that had no idea I would have to stay overnight but it happens. First Ill talk about the self vote. No lynches are terrible, I honestly thought I had more votes on myself then what I actually had at the time. If this was a plurality lynch I would have voted WoS or HZflank. But since it is majority I voted for who I thought was the most likely to get lynched at the time: myself. I do care about the game and want to win and if my death pushes that agenda forward then so be it. Any way Ill be catching up now, I have kinda skimmed everything but havent looked deep into things. WoS unvote makes me feel a bit better about him, if he doesnt unvote I am sure its my mislynch. And as scum it would be easy for him to hammer that home saying my self vote was BS and just a self preservation move. Anyway Ill be around for questions and reading the thread clearly. Could you elaborate more on why do you think WoS would not unvote you for selfvoting as scum? | ||
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On November 06 2013 18:56 Onegu wrote: Its a bit different I think his self vote was basicly out of fustration. Mine was because it is majority and I would rather people see my flip and who voted me then a no lynch that gives scum a free shot and town zero info. It just seems to easy to hammer my lynch down than to find another lynch for him as scum, add this to the fact he didnt really push another lynch until Hzflank. As scum it seems with his activity level he would find someone else to jump on. So in your opinion WoS is town because he did not hammer your lynch through because you selfvoted, which you thought was the best option for town. Instead WoS did the opposite, which based on your posts is what scum would want to do (as you say this: "I would rather people see my flip and who voted me then a no lynch that gives scum a free shot and town zero info"). This is exactly what WoS did by your definition. So could you explain the logic behind giving townie points to him for that action? | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the fuck would you, as town, in MYLO, say "I think Sno is scum, i'm okay with no-lynch, i am voting for yamato"?? Why? And we did not lynch him for it. :p Anyways good night. | ||
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On November 07 2013 15:38 thrawn2112 wrote: I remember that but not sure on why. I do remember at one point he was explaining that this is just how he plays, like he did earlier in this game I think? It convinced me in that game I remember. But tell me what you're talking about and do you think WoS might be right? The Sylencia stuff. Do you remember it? What do you mean with "WoS might be right"? On November 07 2013 15:38 Onegu wrote: And that was after I had a red check on me. Yes and you said "lynch me then lynch rayn because we had red checks on us". On November 07 2013 15:40 thrawn2112 wrote: oh and what are you thinking about hopeless/ET whatever kill with fire. | ||
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On November 07 2013 16:33 thrawn2112 wrote: Nope. If you're talking about something that happened after I died then I wouldn't know. I'm asking if you think onegu might be town because this doesn't look like scumplay: You were alive. I don't have time to dig up the quotes now but i will if it's necessary. Onegu made a big post about asking Sylencia (his scumbuddy) -- who was hosting another game -- where "he asked" if he could talk about some other game and blabla. When we figured Sylencia was scum nobody expected Onegu's actions to be scum-scum interaction. The quote you bring up is stupid. There is no town motivation to fucking tell who you voted in witchcraft and if Onegu is scum he can say wtf he want's about it because it doesn't mean shit. | ||
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On November 07 2013 16:56 thrawn2112 wrote: ok so as scum he will say anything btw i am high and tired so idc and I don't want to decide right now. will see you all later Yes, as scum he does say equally stupid stuff than he does as town - he just rides with "scum would never do this" or "too scummy to be scum". Now he is trying to say i am wrong on my read on him by picking up a quote where i say "he does tricky stuff as scum" and not answering what's been brought up against him at all. And the "tricky stuff" =/= "he does not do stupid stuff as scum" which he tries to imply here. I hope i am being clear enough. | ||
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On November 07 2013 17:17 Onegu wrote: How is this anywhere close to what is going on THIS game? It has to do with this game in a manner that i am explaining people why i said you do "tricky stuff" as scum and you are trying to misrepresent me by saying "i did stupid stuff in this game, therefore i am town, look, rayn even says here i do tricky stuff as scum and now he is calling me scum for the opposite" while not even trying to answer the argument i have against you. You are defending yourself against something that doesn't exist and not against the argument there is against you. I am telling people that this is what you are doing. | ||
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On November 07 2013 17:58 thrawn2112 wrote: Ok now pretend same thing for rayn... where would your vote go? based on what? that hz is town? | ||
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Onegu me doing nothing is bullshit. I have done the most today maybe barring thrawn, last night there was nothing to talk about because noone was here. At that point i had said everything there was to say for me. Why are you trying to continuously make me look bad for something that's not there? Feels like you have just decided i am scum and the go find reasons why could i be scum. Vote stands. Sylencia looks worse. I liked his D1 but not his D2 the slightest. I can't possibly understand he has played scum with Onegu just a while ago and that's all he has to say about him. Still waiting for hopeless to catch up. If he doesn't i will seriously consider him for a lynch. Same with Cephiro. I liked this from Umasi: I think it's actually patently absurd that someone can be so anti-WoS. Just as an aside. Koshiiiiiii <3<3<3<3 Also Koshi, i hope you catch up today, hzflank wasn't looking too dandy and you didn't really help your slot with your posts yet. | ||
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Well, this is a bit unlucky but if I have to vote 2 people it is ET and Onegu. ET was just sheepy and opinionated, like why did he vote me and then unvote me. I don't get it. Onegu for voting himself and calling hz flank his townreads scum. Sad but true most likely ET was not invested in this game and therefore played poorly. Onegu dnu, but can vote. w00t??? (2): I am not a blue woot??? (3): Those 3 names I gave before were the votes hzflank sent as votes w00t??? (4): I read the OP. w00t??? | ||
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On November 08 2013 23:08 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not really like you to brag about your activity---that's more my style. Rayn I know my reason for not wanting to vote Sn0 at this point, what's yours? Also your reasoning for voting Onegu...is that any different than a policy lynch (ie my reasoning)? Essentially you complain to us that Onegu is tricky and plays like shit as scum or martyrs or whatever---essentially it amounts to you being unable to read him, yet here you're attempting to apply basic reasoning to why Onegu is playing how he is. I mean, I agree with your reasons but applied to any normal person I would say no rational player would play like he has. I am not bragging about my activity. I am disgusted by the activity of nearly everyone in this game. I don't really have reasons to not vote for Sno.. I am not voting Onegu as a policy. I am voting for him because he is making up reasons for me being scum - not trying to find them, he is voting for a guy who could by his own words only be scum if hz/Koshi is scum, he is outing witchcraft votes for no reason and his reads on other people are weak and shit. I have not had a trouble of reading him before, i have been using the "too dumb to be scum" argument for not lynching him before. I have had a scumread on him every single game he has been scum in. Koshi is basically confirmed town and Hopeless is probably too rofl. | ||
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On November 09 2013 00:59 Onegu wrote: Also rayn this is now one of the bigger reasons I think you are scum. just lol. You are arguing about semantics which means nothing. You very well know what i mean with that. I can probably find 10 posts of yours in this game which i can turn against like you just as ridiculously like that. | ||
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How on earth can you think he is better lynch than Onegu. Fucking look at his filter?!?!?!? The dude makes a "yolo these guys locked scum here is reasoning because this other guy is scum but this guy more dangerous but i donät really know why this other dude is scum after all but tyeah these both guys scum and this guy maybe litte bit better than that guy was but yeah he postd scummy word yes 100% lock in lynch go vote yes nocomment on anyone else peace vote rayn no maybe koshi". WTF WOS? | ||
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On November 02 2013 07:44 Onegu wrote: We should lynch red checks at this point. So me then rayn, I would prefer rayn as I am not mafia, but it doesnt really matter who. If there is a vigi shot it should be me or rayn followed by a lynch on the other. Grack looks worse than rayn imo, but since no framers flipped lynching red checks is the safer play imo. He was last scum remaining. | ||
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On November 09 2013 02:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Found one right here: Onegu it's on you now to find me somewhere you do this as town. Rayn what do you make of Onegu's play being overwhelmingly better in Hogwarts than here? It's not better here. All he did on D1 was "sorry". | ||
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On November 09 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not better here. All he did on D1 was "sorry". EBWOP this whole thingy: It was not better in Hogwarts. All he did on D1 in Hogwarts was say "sorry *then some words defending himself from bus* " | ||
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On November 09 2013 04:22 WaveofShadow wrote: This is an interesting point. Can you lead me into this a little? What have scum been doing today and what is their plan if this is true? At any point have they been complacent in where the lynch has been going or trying to lead us towards or away from anyone? I will forget that I don't necessarily include you in the 'all of us town' thing for the purposes of this conversation. I have no idea, to not get lynched and maybe some other lurker gets lynched... How the fuck do i know. | ||
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Thrawn is probably town. I won't even consider him scum as if he is there is no way to win this game with this activity. Koshi and Hopeless are also town for what i said in D2 - N2. From the rest of the people: One of Umasi/Vanesco is scum. They have been on each others throats all game (although Vanesco tried some weird pushing on Sno based on votes and shit). Umasi looks way better than Vanesco so i would say Van is scum from those two. One of Cephiro/Sylencia is scum. I highly doubt they could both be scum but i am pretty sure one of them is based purely on process of elimination. Cephiro's witchcraft win announcement on N2 was a really bold move if he was scum, therefore i do think he is town from the pair. Otherwise they look equally bad. That leaves Snodude as the final scum. I have tried to process different scenarios with different people but anything else does not really make sense to me unless scum have been bussing hard from D1, and i do not think that's the case. Therefore: ##Vote: Sn0_Man | ||
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On November 11 2013 17:50 thrawn2112 wrote: it all comes down to his carefree posting. to be fair this is something I mentioned at the start of the game so it'd be easy for scum sno to pick up on that and roll with it the rest of the game I better look into Sno's scumgames aswell.. I agree with the carefree thing, but i do not agree that makes someone town. Different people post differently and that's not an universal scum/town tell imo. | ||
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1) I need to see who votes for what wagon when people flip. Thats integral to how I find scum. Need 3 more votes to lynch. I do not believe that a no-lynch benefits town and as such PLEASE VOTE PEOPLE. He never follows up what he says on D1. There is no voting analysis which he claims to be his way of playing. Nothing. Then he comes up with this on N1: On November 07 2013 04:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Im around but I'm (as you can see) not posting much atm. This game is disheartening considering I'm somehow "scummy" and pointing out things that others do when I consider them scummy somehow is an excuse for OO to be an insulting asshole. I dont know what the hell we are gonna do about cephiro, but he's playing much more town-aligned than last game (may have to do with him having a weird ass role last game). Lynching him doesn't seem smart atm. ET seems pretty town not sure why people wish to lynch him. Rayn is playing very different but afaik its different from anything he's done before as scum or town and I'm OK with his train of thought. Not his conclusions but he feels reasonably town too. Umasi/Vanesco/HzFlank are all pretty null, i have no kinda "ins" to read these guys so far. Onegu kinda fits this category too, but I'd rather lynch him than the others I think. Syl I don't like. Mostly because him and OO have hard-buddied. Not that I'd expect them to do that as scum, but they haven't even been a little bit suspicious of each other despite said buddying. Generally somebody attempting to buddy me makes me very suspicious (at least when I feel like I'm obvtown). Syl's scumgames often include real effort at the start with long, very "effort-y" posts put in at fairly regular intervals so I'm gonna keep my eye on him. Then again i've Mislynched Syl for dumb shit too. He's on the scum side of null, along with OO. WoS is hard for me this game. Half the time he sounds like he's thinking the game and obvtown. Then the other half his posts just rub me the wrong way. I've played a fair few games with (always rolls town) WoS and something feels off, dunno. Don't think we lynch him soon either but I can't just give him the townread I've given others (ET/Thrawn etc). Thats like everybody relevant I think. I'm willing to discuss stuff with ppl but I'm currently 100% unwilling to interact with OO due to how he's played so far. My scumread on him hinges on his mindset towards the game: All he cares about is people's perception of him and that they see him as conftown. He doesn't actually care to play well, just to appear good. My unwillingness to interact with him is completely separate from that, though it probably clouds my vision somewhat. I do not think these reads are very strong. Everything is just "this guy could be scum" or "i could lynch this guy". For fucking what? Here is another contradiction: On November 07 2013 05:12 Sn0_Man wrote: This feels like rayn from the end of that game to me. Or close enough that I'm giving him a pass for now. I always give rayn a hard look at mid-game, which is still the plan, but at the start like this I disagree that he looks scummy. He does never do this. I am amongst the most active people in this game. Even if there is nothing else to go on with, this could be done because i have actually provided content. Snodude never takes this "hard look" on me. A way to say "i can't read this guy yet -> i'll do that later on" to have an excuse for not trying to read someone and never following it up. This was really weird: On November 08 2013 03:10 Sn0_Man wrote: Errybody's afk or something. It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him). I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many. Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum). On November 08 2013 03:29 Sn0_Man wrote: Well scum have 2, also the silver bullet resolves at the end of the "Phase" which means if fired at night it resolves with the daypost (as we saw). Discussing who voted for OO is pretty safe IMO, since scum know if he was blue or if he died to their NK anyway. Admittedly if they NK'd him they don't know if he was blue. Okay maybe we talk about it after this lynch? I ahve no idea what anything in this post is supposed to achieve other than bluehunting..... Then he makes a big case on WoS, followed by not voting for him?!?!?!? And then there is nothing. I really do think Sno is better lynch than Vanesco, but here's what we gonna do: Snodude and Vanesco, both of you need to make a case on your top scumread and give reads on all other people. The one who fails to do so gets lynched. If you both fail to do so we lynch you both on D3 and D4. If you both succeed in writing what's asked we re-evaluate the lynch. Right now you both look terribad. thrawn whaddya think? | ||
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If Vanesco is scum why would he not make shit up at that time instead of later on (because by your definition it looks worse on him). If he is scum and you are right he HAS to make shit up in any case. I don't think that's alignment indicative. I agree that him questioning Koshi looks fishy and non-scumhunting'y. | ||
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On November 11 2013 18:58 Sylencia wrote: Even looking at the town vote I'm feeling so lazy because there's such a low chance of 5 townies voting Vanesco there. Anyways, time to catch up from the night time This is fucking terrible Sylencia. | ||
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Also during night (or now) hard look on Cephiro. He makes promises but doesn't keep them. Maybe he is ballsy enough to claim witchcraft win out of the bat. | ||
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On November 11 2013 19:04 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm not really talking about him going afk. During that conversation he was being so damn uncooperative, with all the "koshi first" shit. For the posts he made where he DID respond quickly, there was no substance to the posts and he wouldn't, and my guess is couldn't, elaborate on anything. Yeah, i agree. | ||
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It was pretty weird tbh. Do you think WoS was right in saying scum were afraid of protections? | ||
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Why did he choose track over DT check? Why would he choose roleblock over DT check? If you were blue would you do so? | ||
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On November 11 2013 19:21 thrawn2112 wrote: Well... why wouldn't they be? AND if vanesco and sn0man are scum, then vanesco already told us why OO died. I misread the jailor, i thought it would block scum KP aswell. Yeah, they way it is it seems likely. | ||
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Sec i go look the other claimed votes. | ||
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What's the point of Cephiro fakeclaiming as scum when he can just not claim? If he fakeclaims he can only fuck up and it does not buy him any town credit anyways. | ||
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But still, why would he fakeclaim? To hide the fact that OO was a blue shot? Why? To confirm me as town? Well i am pretty much confirmed town already lol. | ||
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Could someone tell me what that is? | ||
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On November 11 2013 21:01 thrawn2112 wrote: can you do that about any of the people we're thinking about lynching? there are even people I have strong town reads on that haven't done shit all game. that's the problem I have with all the sn0man criticism, the argument is that "he hasn't done shit" when there's players like ceph whose favorite line is "man i cant wait to do analysis" followed up by afk'ing till the next cycle. whatever. i'm not going to try and defend him because I don't really know how to and it's his fucking job. But you said you find his filter "good". I don't know what's good in there and i do not disagree other people are afk as shit aswell. I find something good in Koshi/Hopeless/Umasi filters from afkers. Sylencia seems to be trying, not sure what he is doing but still. Everyone else of the afkers are like equally shitty. | ||
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The point he makes against you is not so good but i am interested in what he says about Cephiro because that actually makes sense. I dunno why he thinks Vanesco is a lynchbait, to me it doesn't seem like that. | ||
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But rayns unwillingness to provide direct proof why Vanesco is town/scum is bothering me, rayn just skates by the fact "these 2 couples are 50/50 and then there is this guy who is left over and BAMMMMM he is scum" Have you read the thread fully? | ||
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So that if it's a green check scum can just shoot them? Or if it's a red check scum can just shoot me? Let them be guessing. I need everyone to post before the night end and give reads. | ||
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What's this talk about masons? | ||
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On November 13 2013 00:09 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn, if during D3 you thought that one of umasi/van was mafia, and you had a green check on umasi, why did you initially vote for sno? Because i didn't want to get blue shot by being obvious. That's why i also said one of Umasi/Vanesco is scum and wanted to lynch into "them" and not into Syl/Ceph. | ||
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On November 13 2013 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote: The difference is IF scum NK goes through tonight THEN we are at 4:2 and do NOT have to lynch. We can no-lynch, lose another townie, and have a 3:2 the next day where hypothetically guessing scum is easier. Admittedly you lose all the good townies in that situation but generally it does make it easier. MYLO= Mislynch you lose aka a no-lynch is fine LYLO= Lynch or you lose aka you gotta hit scum boys. This is bad Sno. So bad. | ||
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On November 13 2013 01:57 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah it's basically a suicide post if he's maf I wouldn't count on that fully guys. Sylencia suicided in Desert aswell rofl. | ||
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But not really reconsidering after all.. Seems legit sno! | ||
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On November 13 2013 20:11 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah that's what i was thinking. assuming one or both of you+onegu isn't scum lol one of hope/sn0 is scum. do you think both of them could be scum? if not do you think either of them would be going for a bus or a mislynch today? I think scum would be aiming for a mislynch today instead of YOLO bussing and banking thewhole game on the next day. | ||
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On November 13 2013 20:18 thrawn2112 wrote: What is your opinion of H's megapost and subsequent posts He had some good points on Sno. What's bothering me he hasn't really bought those things up before. I mean, yes he has said those things but not in "hey this guy is scum we are lynching him right here right now" way which i would expect to be the reaction to a "such scummy posts". | ||
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On November 13 2013 20:25 thrawn2112 wrote: well this isn't completely accurate. both of them are saying that syl is scum as much as their other scum read but yeah neither of them wanted to kill syl first. so if you and onegu are both town, and if I assume that neither of them would want to buss today then lynching sylencia first is the only reasonable option i need to think about those assumptions how fucked is it that sn0 and hopeless both went for each other. that's just goddamned annoying This is what i am entertaining atm. I will be around tonight for quite some time. I'll do the read on Sylencia them and i'll also read Sno and Hopeless again. | ||
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On November 14 2013 02:55 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm kinda tired of being the middle man for every single conversation. i'd rather you guys work it out That's actually impossible right now because all of them need to call each other scum anyways... I should be here in about 3 hours. | ||
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Setup talk bla bla. In case he is scum with Hopeless he actually did setup talk with both of his scumbuddies.. Imo best place to interact with your buddies because you can't actually form any sort of read based on that yet it still is an interaction. I do not actually think Sylencia makes sense as scum with Hopeless. Based on this: On November 05 2013 13:09 Sylencia wrote: Has he done anything since last night to further strengthen your scum read on him? As I said before, I don't really agree with what he's said that much but I can see the train of thought behind it. The contributions which you've provided is just a weak case on Vanesco and continuing to push it. That said, ET's filter looks pretty horrendous as it can be summed up as so: Vanesco looks null to scummy because it didn't match Newbie Mafia L (weak) thrawn posted a list of players who had posted but wasn't advocating lurker lynch (weak) Nothing else has been said really... Tbh at the moment ET's filter is really sticking out like a sore thumb to me the more I think about it, since the rest of his posts look like really weak attempts at looking townie :| ##vote EchelonTee Continuing on to more reading... This would be defending a scumbuddy - and proposing another target - which would be his other scumbuddy! Makes sense to anyone? Later on he even sheeps my case on ET and disappears for the rest of D1. Meh.. Then there is this sudden "let's drop ET/Hopeless completely and go after Cephiro" on D2. Which makes no sense to me. And then thre is nothig. He never talks about Sno, ever, besides once mentioning him as a lynch candidate number 3 or smth. There is this weird ass thrawn is scum burst.... I have no fucking idea what Sylencia is saying after D1 tbh.. | ||
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##Vote: Sylencia Unless he comes in and contributes the vote sticks. Can't solve this unless all three post. Good thing is we only need to find one scum today. | ||
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On November 14 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn this game is fucked Earlier today I was briefly entertaining the notion that rayn+umasi=scum, but that doesn't make any sense considering how wtf rayn's claim would have been. The only reason I have to think rayn is scum is because I thought umasi was, but since I don't think they are both scum I'm going with both town. I reread the case I was going to post about umasi and tbh it's pretty fucking awful. since hope+sn0 both went at each other the right move is voting for sylencia. That's ONLY if I think that a sn0/hope team wouldn't buss each other.... which leads me to ask.... rayn .... can I have your thoughts on a sn0+hopeless? It's pretty fucking weird how both of them decided to focus on the other, neither of them have said very much about sylencia. What is sn0man's motivation for only focusing on hopeless and what is hopeless's motivation for only focusing on sn0man? Why wouldn't either of them, as town, be trying to show us why both sylencia+other guy are mafia? They could have realized that their chances of mislynching sylencia are slim based on all the heat the two of them received during N3, so no matter who they push the remaining guy is gonna need some town cred for D5. If I were scum I'd be bussing the fuck out of my scumbuddy and playing for a later, but safer endgame. why would sylencia play D4 like this as town? why would sylencia play D4 like this as mafia? too much wtf in this game I have absolutely no idea and each one of their play throughout the game makes my head hurt so i decided to say fuck you all and keep it simple. The scummiest guy dies and atm it's Sylencia. | ||
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On November 14 2013 08:21 Hopeless1der wrote: Let me ask this potentially scummy questions. What if sylencia does not come back and will be modkilled? Should we arrange to have him as the majority vote-holder until he returns? If Sylencia does not come back before the deadline we lynch someone else and expect him to get modkilled. If he is scum and does last second vote and we lose the game because of it i will never ever play in a game with him any more because that's so fucking cheap. | ||
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First: On November 04 2013 16:05 Vanesco wrote: These are the points I agree with mostly. Since currently Umasi is my biggest scum read he would be my first lynch and then I would look more closely anybody who I think sheep'd in. I do not really agree on your point WoS that the first person I pressure in the game has to have my vote. I did not get a scum read from him, therefore I did not vote. I think this is a fucking scumslip and i hate myself for not paying attention and not lynching Vanesco on D1. If you are lynching your scumread you assume they are going to flip scum. Why would you then "closely look into people who sheeped you" on Umasi lynch..? rofl. I don't think his reads on D1 mean anything because what scum say about other people do not tell anything about their alignment. But here are his reads on syl/ET/sno at some point on D1: Syl: As mentioned before, don't like strategy talk, which since his filter is so short, he seems to bring up alot which rubs me personally the wrong way but his reads have seemed ok to me so far (eg. reads on cephiro's play). Overall null. sno_man: Coming into this I am very cautious because he seems to be one of the people everybody is jumping on. He seems to want to lynch Onegu near the start because he cannot read him (terrible accusation). He has a very carefree attitude and he hasn't really given any real reads in my opinion. I am worried however that scum might tag along the sno train to lynch town. I have a null read on him atm but that is because he hasn't really said anything. No matter what his affiliation is, I think he is playing without care of the game. Echelon: He was one of my top 2 town reads before and he still is. He is asking good appropriate questions and is making good sense to me. Everything in my last post about him still stands. Does not comment on my ET after that, which is weird he is not defending his "townread". Vote on thrawn, says nothing. Then he says this: On November 06 2013 00:32 Vanesco wrote: Ok, back (for an hour or so). Echelon has been one of my most townie reads for a large majority of this game. I agree with his point that the second time that thrawn votes ryan it is not given reason as to why really. Yes it seems more like pressure but I think its possible he just misinterpreted that. The rest of the points seem to more about meta game things, which since I know none of you I can't get too involved in that. However the accusations on the meta seem very weak to me. I do only agree that maybe his case on gumshoe is fairly weak. Just because somebody shows effort and contribution by making a long post does not mean they cannot be scum, however the way I read it is that he thinks gumshoe is at least providing more pro town content than thrawn. It seems that there has been no real agreement on a target and as such I still think thrawn is the best vote. I will try to come online during work near the post deadline to see if anything sways my opinion, and since I will be on my phone and short pressed on time, I will give any vote changes reasoning once I return home. That's a weird defense on ET with some defending on gumshoe too.. Again attacking thrawn but not really pushing the lynch. Then he analyses the D1 votes for the rest of the game. Reaching into conclusion that Sno and Umasi are scum. And there is nothing more, he excuses Hopeless from the analysis because he was replaced (lol is that even a reason to do so). On D3 he uses WoS' reads before his flip as a reasoning for strengthen his scumreads on Sno and Umasi. Meh.. i don't really know what conclusions to draw from that. | ||
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On November 14 2013 21:28 thrawn2112 wrote: I dont know if it is since I bullied hopeless into his sylencia vote Yeah i know but no townies should get bullied into any vote however confirmed town the bully is. | ||
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Then at the next day i was like "wtf am i going to claim.. hmm, maybe red on sno? .. or green on Umasi... fuckit YOLO Umasi is town" .. then JUST after that you post "but but... i have a big case... :/" *phew* | ||
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