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On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh, you're back.
You finished your read then?
Anything else to say besides that thing on Sn0? There is a fair amount of content I feel you could comment on. Yeah I'm kind of lost as to how to comment on everything. You wanted my OO read first I guess, so I'll get that started.
Personally I'm fine with you vomiting anything and everything you've got into the thread, in fact I would find that preferable. Not sure what everyone else will think.
Wait I wanted your OO read? He's dead. I'm not sure I understand.
Oh wait I see---no I was waiting to provide my analysis of OO's filter because you are involved. I just want you to post.
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On November 09 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:17 Onegu wrote:
Sn0 why would scum not wait for more info to take a shot, it doesnt make any sense. Cuz they don't get more info. But they DO get less targets. And they deny themselves the chance to cut town's blue roles down almost instantly.
Blue roles are already cut down to 2 after a mislynch. They have ZERO reason to shoot since an extra kill wouldn't cut them down any further (maybe? too lazy to find that chart right now, i could be wrong), but even more so, ZERO reason to shoot because as the game goes on town have less options aside from really obvious townies as to who to vote for for witchcraft, otherwise their votes go to scum---it's win-win for them. Even if my logic is bad here and there is some good reason for scum to shoot, the below is why I absolutely believe that there is no way OO was shot by bluevig.
KISS rule always always fucking applies. Which is a more simple case here Sn0? That scum shot OO with a bluevig and KP went into either vet or JK protect? Or simply no shot and KP on a guy who wasn't likely to be protected or voted into having power?
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On November 09 2013 01:24 Umasi wrote:
regarding cephiro, he sure as shit is more likely to be lynched than vanesco. I will be able to change my vote before the lynch, so I'll do that in some number of hours if it is required of me.
baby steps.
afk for class
Umasi, is it safe to assume you don't give a shit about this game at all? Or at the very least about town winning? Because instead of actually putting your thoughts and voting somewhere useful, you repeatedly head outside of relevant targets and topics, and throw random shit out there to no effect.
##Unvote
##Vote: Umasi
Fuck it I am not voting for Onegu---I hate the way he's been playing btu I absolutely cannot believe he is scum here. If I continue to vote him I am knowingly causing us to lose the game by lynching a town player for playing badly.
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On November 09 2013 01:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:20 Onegu wrote:
Hopeless what is your take on hzflank/koshi? 'confirmed' town for giving away his witchcraft votes. I'd do the same, but them I'd be scum trying to seek free towncred.
@WoS OO seems to have done the most work on the Day1 votecount analysis. I think it happened too quickly to make anything meaningful out of it, but I could see that as a driving factor in the choice of NK, simply because he gave something for people to ponder over. Given that me and Koshi are 2 of his primary 3, my current theory is scum wanted to WIFOM us into mislynching the "apprehensive" gumshoe voters. I specifically say mislynch because I think koshi is town and obviously think (know) I am town. Sn0 can die in a fire though. A lot of my other thoughts are town reads and I dont want to explain them unless people insist/are willing to lynch me if I dont. Silver bullet mechanics make that stuff even more detrimental to town.
Ugh. Not what I wanted but I'll take it.
I don't follow the 'confirmed town' shit though. You don't think it's likely or even possible that Koshi just picked some names out of a hat for towncred? Delving even deeper, why would hzflank pick those specific people to bluevote?
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On November 09 2013 01:30 Vanesco wrote:
Ok so has nobody noticed that although Onegu says he is voting on rayn but puts his vote instead on koshi? (apart from maybe WoS). Onegu, not giving reasons for your vote just seems like your trying to put your vote on someone and hoping that others agree with you. I want to hear more of why you voted for you who voted (and maybe switch your vote cause from your post it looks like you want to vote rayn instead of koshi).
I also don't like how Umasi just comes out of nowhere after being on my case for the whole game and then just suddenly backing off without any reason why. He then proceeds to vote without anything other than thinking that cephiro is a possible lynch. Like wtf. Umasi explain your actions since nothing is making sense.
Sno keeps on talking about how he thinks OO died and is really wanting to make others think that it is a silver bullet (when we are not sure). To me it seems most likely that sno is saying this because if OO was killed by a silver bullet, it puts less suspicion on him, but if OO was a nightkill than there seems to be more suspicion on sno. I've also disliked that sno at one point wanted the votes on the blue to come out.
At the moment I am comfortable with lynching Umasi or sno.
A man after my own heart.
thrawn, where you at bro?
This thread is finally going places.
Rayn, thoughts on recent conversation?
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On November 09 2013 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote:how come everybody's scum this game?  WoS/Vanesco/Onegu/Hopeless play townier.
LOL.
I fucking dare you and Rayn to vote for me today. May as well just claim scum or some shit if you do as I have no idea how anybody in this game could find me scummy, let alone the SCUMMIEST person in the thread.
Now as far as umasi goes, can you show me an example of other 'badtown' games where he performs as he has here?
The difference between him and Onegu is while they are both wtf-worthy, I can understand Onegu's thought process while I have no idea what is going on through Umasi's head.
Rayn explain why you think Cephiro is a good lynch today aside from 'active D1, fucked off D2.' I don't take iffy activity around the gumshoe lynch as relevant because you and at least a couple other people are just as relevant for that reason.
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On November 09 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying Cephiro is a good lynch, i am saying i can follow Umasi's thought process from his posts.
How on earth can you think he is better lynch than Onegu. Fucking look at his filter?!?!?!?
The dude makes a "yolo these guys locked scum here is reasoning because this other guy is scum but this guy more dangerous but i donät really know why this other dude is scum after all but tyeah these both guys scum and this guy maybe litte bit better than that guy was but yeah he postd scummy word yes 100% lock in lynch go vote yes nocomment on anyone else peace vote rayn no maybe koshi".
WTF WOS?
I completely understand his thinking as convoluted as it may seem to you.
The only thing I worry about is falling into the trap I usually fall into. I can't rule out bias I suppose because it's true, there is nothing objectively towny about his play.
How about this, Rayn? you say you can catch him every game he pulls this shit. We lynch him today. If you were right, fucking fantastic and you're basically confirmed town to me (for reasons unrelated to the lynch specifically---you and I both know you're capable of bussing hard) If you were wrong, we lynch you next, k?
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On November 09 2013 01:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 09 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying Cephiro is a good lynch, i am saying i can follow Umasi's thought process from his posts.
How on earth can you think he is better lynch than Onegu. Fucking look at his filter?!?!?!?
The dude makes a "yolo these guys locked scum here is reasoning because this other guy is scum but this guy more dangerous but i donät really know why this other dude is scum after all but tyeah these both guys scum and this guy maybe litte bit better than that guy was but yeah he postd scummy word yes 100% lock in lynch go vote yes nocomment on anyone else peace vote rayn no maybe koshi".
WTF WOS? I completely understand his thinking as convoluted as it may seem to you. The only thing I worry about is falling into the trap I usually fall into. I can't rule out bias I suppose because it's true, there is nothing objectively towny about his play. How about this, Rayn? you say you can catch him every game he pulls this shit. We lynch him today. If you were right, fucking fantastic and you're basically confirmed town to me (for reasons unrelated to the lynch specifically---you and I both know you're capable of bussing hard) If you were wrong, we lynch you next, k? I agree to this
lol you would, but then again I'm not asking you. Didn't Rayn already bring up an example of you pulling this exact same shit as scum?
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On November 09 2013 02:01 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 09 2013 01:55 Onegu wrote:On November 09 2013 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 09 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not saying Cephiro is a good lynch, i am saying i can follow Umasi's thought process from his posts.
How on earth can you think he is better lynch than Onegu. Fucking look at his filter?!?!?!?
The dude makes a "yolo these guys locked scum here is reasoning because this other guy is scum but this guy more dangerous but i donät really know why this other dude is scum after all but tyeah these both guys scum and this guy maybe litte bit better than that guy was but yeah he postd scummy word yes 100% lock in lynch go vote yes nocomment on anyone else peace vote rayn no maybe koshi".
WTF WOS? I completely understand his thinking as convoluted as it may seem to you. The only thing I worry about is falling into the trap I usually fall into. I can't rule out bias I suppose because it's true, there is nothing objectively towny about his play. How about this, Rayn? you say you can catch him every game he pulls this shit. We lynch him today. If you were right, fucking fantastic and you're basically confirmed town to me (for reasons unrelated to the lynch specifically---you and I both know you're capable of bussing hard) If you were wrong, we lynch you next, k? I agree to this lol you would, but then again I'm not asking you. Didn't Rayn already bring up an example of you pulling this exact same shit as scum? Nope
I can't fuckign find it. I'm almost certain that somebody brought up the EXACT example of Onegu doing this where he tried to sac himself to get the next person lynched in a deal like this.
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Found one right here:
On October 28 2013 13:56 Onegu wrote:
Mocata there is no way HF is town, go to day 2 and onward. Ok lynch me confirm a framer. Then lynch HF as he is almost confirmed scum at this point.
Onegu it's on you now to find me somewhere you do this as town.
Rayn what do you make of Onegu's play being overwhelmingly better in Hogwarts than here?
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I'm on lunch right now, will be back in an hour-ish.
I just wrote up a huge rage-fueled thing at Sn0's last post but I won't bother.
Sn0, you're terrible.
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On November 09 2013 02:21 Onegu wrote:
I already said I have never marytered as town until this game.
Well it's time to stop martyring and apologising for your play then and simply play better.
##Unvote
##Vote: Onegu
Fuck it this game is out of my hands. Too much shit play for me to handle. If Onegu is town then gg scum, I fucking give up.
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On November 09 2013 03:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Onegu's actually crafted a remarkably transparent narrative of his reads. That isn't a town tell for him though :/
See I agree with this completely.
Essentially though what it comes down to for me isn't his actions objectively, which is unfortunate---it's based on an amalgamation of his thought process and my own understanding and what I view myself as capable of doing in a given scenario.
I think if Onegu flips scum I have to change the way I make certain reads.
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thrawn if Onegu flips town, what happens?
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Rayn, you are the expert in Onegu meta it seems.
Has Onegu ever provided a pre-death reads post in the few hours before he is likely to be lynched as scum?
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On November 09 2013 03:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
WoS I get what you mean about Onegu having a transparent thought process. The problem is that his justifications are very weak and the thought process only goes surface deep. When Onegu tells me why he wants to lynch somebody it's either because of non-scumhunting reasons such as player skill, or reasons that I would never be comfortable in using to call somebody mafia. It's not hard to construct a superficial fiction. Onegu is very tricky like rayn said and will say anything. You can't point to something he says and go "scum would never do/say this" because scum onegu will.
To this day I have never, let me repeat, NEVER seen a scummer who is about to be lynched provide a list of pre-death reads and actively attempt to provide town with everything asked of him.
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Sn0 and Umasi. Same as yesterday.
Rayn I'm flip-flopping on a lot. I really hate how quick he agreed to my 'deal' because I would expect a scumRayn to be very confident he could throw the rest of town (and me as well) off of his case in a full 72 hours, and less a show of how confident he is that Onegu is scum as town, but then his weird incredulity of me recently with regards to Onegu is very reminiscent of how he acts as town towards me.
As far as Syl---I dunno nothing he's done has bugged me a whole lot aside from what hzflank pointed out yesterday....what are the recent points for/against him? I don't think I;ve looked.
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thrawn do you think there are scum on ceph or sn0 right now as the 'semi-competing' wagons?
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On November 09 2013 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wos if me you and thrawn are all town how do you think scum are able to push anything lol?
This is an interesting point.
Can you lead me into this a little? What have scum been doing today and what is their plan if this is true? At any point have they been complacent in where the lynch has been going or trying to lead us towards or away from anyone?
I will forget that I don't necessarily include you in the 'all of us town' thing for the purposes of this conversation.
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