Witchcraft Mini Mafia II - Page 8

On November 08 2013 12:57 Onegu wrote:



Nope, there is like nobody in this game everyone agrees is town

On November 08 2013 03:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Errybody's afk or something.

It is possible that OO died from silver bullet and that the actual NK was either roleblocked (as it is personally delivered not factional) or Doctored. Either way, I'm interested to know if people voted for OO to be witchcrafted (Since he is dead there is no drawback to people admitting they voted him).

I, personally, did not vote him (for obvious reasons) but I'm aware he had townreads from some/many.

Part of the reason I bring this up is that I would have expected scum to spend AT LEAST 1 silver bullet last night. The rewards for killing the blues BEFORE their actions occur seem too high to pass up considering the limited amount of people I'd expect to get votes. If OO was indeed killed by silver bullet, some blue role would like VERY much to know that as they know their save hit town for example (Or their RB hit scum).

On November 08 2013 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
I like the points against onegu, Syl's vote was WTF, my current biggest concern is that you are still alive. While I agree with (almost) all the things you say you being alive is giving me misgivings because I would have expected you to die.

Which is why I'm trying to figure out what happened last night since if OO was a blue shot then I can believe that you were targetted but saved for example. That would give me more confidence in your reads. Vets who push a mislynch D1 then go "WHOAH COMPLETE 180 ON MY READS GUYS" and are still alive D2 smell funny to me. I agree with your points but hnnnnng smells funny. So I'm looking for certainty there.

There are 2 1-shot witch hunters read the OP lol.

On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote:
This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target?

So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill.

OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO.

##Vote: Sn0_Man

On November 08 2013 13:12 Umasi wrote:

for my part: mainly because I was unsure about hzflank, and gumshoe was a better alternative.

I generally am leery of when people separate themselves from the thread so much in a /higher and mightier fashion, like 'wow you guys are duuuuuuumb and bad and not doing things effectively'
Is there a reason you're voting for sno aside from OO's interactions with him? (which I haven't read.)
You kind of jumped in thought process from
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433955&currentpage=27#523

to 'he's pretty scummy' to voting him, but you never actually address things he says as far as I can tell.

On November 08 2013 13:17 Umasi wrote:
Yes, 'generally' being the key term.
rayn was weird for doing it as well, but he was also doing something to improve the state of the game iirc. This is just shitflinging.
and I dismiss it when you do it because entertaining the notion that you're scum at this point feels fucking ridiculous, as I think I've asserted multiple times. and if not, I'm asserting it now T>T

On November 08 2013 13:27 Umasi wrote:

no, I didn't. I searched for it and didn't find it, maybe I'm just blind.

On November 08 2013 14:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS i liked your post on Sn0, it's nearly the exact thoughts i had when i read those posts. He hasn't been saying much, there are people being discussed (me/Onegu/Syl/Hopeless/etc..) and he comes in with "hmm doods, why was OO hit?" and says pretty much nothing at all.

Onegu me doing nothing is bullshit. I have done the most today maybe barring thrawn, last night there was nothing to talk about because noone was here. At that point i had said everything there was to say for me. Why are you trying to continuously make me look bad for something that's not there? Feels like you have just decided i am scum and the go find reasons why could i be scum. Vote stands.

Sylencia looks worse. I liked his D1 but not his D2 the slightest. I can't possibly understand he has played scum with Onegu just a while ago and that's all he has to say about him.

Still waiting for hopeless to catch up. If he doesn't i will seriously consider him for a lynch. Same with Cephiro. I liked this from Umasi:


Koshiiiiiii <3<3<3<3 Also Koshi, i hope you catch up today, hzflank wasn't looking too dandy and you didn't really help your slot with your posts yet.

On November 08 2013 23:05 Sylencia wrote:


I talked about him last cycle, I have a better read this cycle. I'd much rather pursue that, but no one seems to listen.

Ceph dies, he flips scum, we're all happy. Easy. Thrawn, you don't sound like you have a town read on him (null?). Read his filter again. See it from scum perspective. Does it make sense? It probably should , and you should probably vote him.

Alternatives: Not Onegu, and not rayn. Onegu I have my reasons, rayn I've seen him as town for the majority of the game. Hopeless is an option, since he followed ET, and so is Sn0, WaveOfShadow has posted a good case on him, and I'd back that case.

Problems: I'm only around for the next 2 hours (maybe less, it's 1AM here). I need a reason to believe that Ceph is less likely to be scum compared to any of the alternatives. I don't really see it, but at the same time with the town being so AFK, I need to be on the most likely target else we get no lynch.

Anyone here to discuss?

On November 08 2013 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
and thats my queue to delurk. Since thrawn posted his case on ET its gained very little traction, and no on has been willing to call me out for being afk for more than 24 hours. For the record I'm only up to page 25/45 (the game before I replaced ET) but I also read cephiro's great-wall-of-WoS-is-scum post, so thats my excuse.

Regarding Koshi's recent posts...does that almost confirm him as town since scum dont get witchcraft votes?

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So far, I have townreads on enough of the playerbase that lynching into my unknowns (assuming my townreads are right) would win the game by sheer numbers. The top of my would-lynch list is sylencia. This is partly OMGUS for him voting ET=me and partly what he's done today that thrawn already pointed out
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Others on my would-lynch list are umasi onegu and sn0-man, in no particular order, with no particular reasons than that I haven't found compelling reasons to call them town so far (Again, only up to page 25/45 at the time of this post)

On November 08 2013 23:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
i just got to rayn tearing up ET's case on thrawn. If I didn't know I was town...*cringe*
Working on it WoS, how long would you say I have before you have to post what you've got?

On November 08 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not bragging about my activity. I am disgusted by the activity of nearly everyone in this game.
I don't really have reasons to not vote for Sno..
I am not voting Onegu as a policy. I am voting for him because he is making up reasons for me being scum - not trying to find them, he is voting for a guy who could by his own words only be scum if hz/Koshi is scum, he is outing witchcraft votes for no reason and his reads on other people are weak and shit. I have not had a trouble of reading him before, i have been using the "too dumb to be scum" argument for not lynching him before. I have had a scumread on him every single game he has been scum in.

Koshi is basically confirmed town and Hopeless is probably too rofl.

On November 09 2013 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think Blazinghand gave scum!Koshi a list of people hzflank voted in bitchcraft election D1?
Okay.
Hopeless noticed that too, therefore he has been given a list too most likely.

On November 09 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know, maybe read his posts? Do you think he has like... any clue what's going on in this game and how the game works?

More likely he is just "wtf is going on, okay i just out all info i do know to not get lynched today".

On November 09 2013 00:58 Onegu wrote:
Ok Im here for now.

##UNVOTE

##VOTE KOSHI

My main reason for voteing rayn over hz was rayn was the more dangerous player, and I do think rayn is more dangerous than koshi, the gap isnt as big. Im open to voteing sn0 also but I wont be here for deadline. Im going to go over a few filters before I sleep. Also rayn Im not makeing up scum reads on you, Im telling it like I see it, you may not agree but Im not makeing falsehoods.

On November 09 2013 01:02 Umasi wrote:
I'm not going to be around for the lynch today, will check in as frequently as I get the chance.
##unvote
##vote: cephiro
I'm most comfortable with Cephiro out of the people who look likely to get lynched, although I should be able to consolidate should he not be close to getting lynched.

On November 09 2013 01:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
I just explained why scum ought to be shooting off at least one silver bullet N1. Your explanation reads: "Please town, don't figure out the game".

See, you say he's a bad NK. We agree. Thats why I think he wasn't the NK. But you won't entertain that.

How the hell would I know who scum is? I never do lol. Currently on the "sheep thrawn" plan (hence my semi-paranoid fears regarding him). Next up is the LYNCH YOU plan cuz not only is this nothing like Town!WoS, you also are actively stomping on my perfectly reasonable discussion and flinging shit at me in the exact manner you accused me of doing to others.