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On November 05 2013 13:28 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 13:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright Umasi you get an A for effort. And I'm not sure if the second part was a slight in Ceph's direction but I liked it nonetheless.
What about Vanesco's treatment of him makes him town? Is this an association read? Because that's a no-no.... it's an association read :| Just from the opening post, again. Here, I'll defer to everyone I guess. ##unvote: vanescothoughts on him still haven't changed, but it's pretty clear he won't be lynched today, and I might just be dead wrong. Still think sylencias town though.
So what about the fact that Vanesco calls Syl town later on in his filter?
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Alright my turn.
This was what stuck out the most for me about Syl:
On November 05 2013 12:56 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote:
Aight. That was an interesting read.
As for witchpowershiznit, I suggest we claim our votes only, 72 hours after. I've come up with an interesting idea as well. We will claim the votes in order, one at a time. I have an algorhithm based on certain actions in the game that make me very confident in the idea this will work.
Also, vote me for blue.
I'd like to hear more from players: raynpelikoneet, hzflank, thrawn, Sn0_Man + Myself.
##Vote: WaveOfShadow Have you actually read the thread? I'm sure you would've already dismissed your idea already because we already discussed revealing witchcraft votes and it was either too risky or there were problems in regards to the overlap of blues because we're not likely to change our votes that much between the days, so it's a simple blue shot no matter when we really reveal... I don't really buy the fact that there's an algorithm which would work in our favour 'depending on certain actions in the games' because there are so many things which can happen. Following on from that, why would it ever be a smart move to try gather WC votes so obviously when it just sets you up to be a vig target? The vote on WoS in your very first post sets you up here for a long long tunnel which I'm still currently getting through (though I've taken a skip over the wall of text for now) - if anything I feel like you decided to target WoS after seeing recent posts and then did the long filter dive process to back it up at a later point. This is obviously baseless conjecture but I can see that happening from a scum player.Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:05 Cephiro wrote:On November 05 2013 08:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 05 2013 08:43 Cephiro wrote:
I was simply curious of your opinion about ET. Even though I cannot be sure it's from a town point of view, it still helps to hear perspectives of others as well, to ensure one is not too tunneled with their own opinion, whether it's about thinking someone is town or scum. Even though a certain confidence in one's reads is a must. Ok. So what are your thoughts on this game? You've just now made your first post, but it's somewhat devoid of content which is surprising since you already know who you want to vote for. You've discussed some things with me without really talking about your own views on the game. So far, despite you making a serious vote and having a serious conversation with me about another player, I still have no clue how you're thinking about the game. Why is this and can you fix it? Yes, I didn't intend to start off with a case, neither reason my vote on WoS more specificly. If there is someone you want my general or specific opinion on, just ask. I have several reads to a direction or another, as well as many nullreads. I just don't consider most of them to be worth sharing right now. Nevertheless I'm content with joining in like this, and I intend to make my thought process clear regarding my reads to the most extent, excluding possible thingamagics I have a tendency of pulling off. As for a more concise reply: It is because I wanted to not present all my thoughts in the open immediately. I can "fix" it by replying to any queries you might have. I will also be sharing more content when I find it necessary. How is actively choosing not to give reasoning behind your votes ever townie here? Especially when you make a 'serious' vote on the first post which means that literally no one knows that your train of thought has been before you voted? Choosing to present thoughts only when asked is basically allowing yourself to reveal as little about what you think as possible, which really only has scum motivation behind it since it reduces the likelihood of inconsistencies popping up in the future, no? Skimming over your case, half the points honestly seem like a stretch and rayn's covered pretty much my thoughts on that, I'll have to get back to your reply soon but honestly it's taken me an hour to hit this point because everyone seems to want to write essays these days :{ Conclusion: I don't really buy Ceph's case, and his entrance to me looks like a forced tunnel into WoS. That said, I still need to look at a few other filters before getting deeper reads but Ceph's on my radar at the moment.
I looked over this a couple of times and I'm not sure what conclusion to draw. Initially I thought 'Well here's a completely new point nobody has brought up regarding the Ceph case before. I disagree with the conclusion (same as Umasi) but it looks like he's legitimately diving and putting forth effort. Townie points.'
The issue I'm finding now upon reading it again is, what mindset does it take to assume that Ceph's aggression is forced? Sylencia's assumption obviously wasn't a common thought amongst those people who tried to debunk Cephiro's case on me, otherwise it would have been brought up already.
I think originally I had Sylencia as town but on second thought now I'm not so sure. It seems my thoughts may be more in line with hzflank. He calls his own idea of pre-targeting 'baseless conjecture,' and most importantly he calls it something he could see as scum being likely to do---but would a townie immediately consider this? I think it speaks of a scum mindset honestly. I have him just below null on the scum-o-meter and I will not be lynching him today; as was stated I don't think it will be too difficult to garner reads on him as we go forward.
The point of my game though was to see who would engage freely and see which of the points I initially thought of when looking through Sylencia were brought up by others and why---again this can often be very telling as to where others' mindsets lie when performing analysis.
As it stands right now I shared some of Umasi's and hzflank's thoughts enough that I am still fine in where my vote stands---on Onegu, who did not bother to address what was going on in thread, rather he chose to comment on my post defending his activity and throw out some other irrelevant reads for the moment.
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Oh and thrawn sitting back and baiting reactions looks like shit honestly.
I don't know what responses he was looking for doing that, but to me it appears as though he left the meaning of 'doozy' (positive/negative connotation?) purposefully ambiguous.
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On November 05 2013 14:27 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 14:18 hzflank wrote:On November 05 2013 13:16 Umasi wrote:On November 05 2013 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not the point Umasi. You are supposed to tell us why the interactions are scummy. they're not scummy, they're just not townie. nothing has really made my read on vanesco matured, he's just scummy from the first post and no one has supplanted him for #1. Not everyone's going to post ridiculous cases hzflank, and I'm not going to go restate why someone could be scum if it was just me reading a point that I agreed with :| I agree with WoS point about Sn0 and how people are wishy-washying towards him as the lynch. We cannot work with you unless you tell us why you think someone is scum. You mentioned ET and Sn0, why do you think that they are scum? lack of overall effect on the thread, although (as wave mentioned) it feels like enough of us are defaulting towards that lynch it's dangerous. ('that lynch' being a lynch on sn0 or ET.)
Who is 'defaulting' towards ET?
If anything I would think an ET lynch should have stronger points put forth regarding his lynch since there's very little to go on, and not as 'easy' of a lynch as Sn0's might be. This is made all the more curious by the fact that Syl's ET vote seems almost tossed out at random. Not something I think scum would be likely to do necessarily because there are easier targets---although my taking Sn0 off of the table may have ruined some things for scum---maybe ET is the next best thing in terms of lurk?
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On November 05 2013 14:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not know how you can say you your taking Sn0 off the table does make things "harder" for scum. I have no idea what that means or how you can think like that. First of all you can't even know if Sn0 is town or not, it's impossible for you at this point of the game unless you are scum. Second, you can't assume you saying something makes it teh absolute truth and that people will follow you, unless your reasoning is really good, which it's not. Third, i don't know why you even want to take Sn0 "off the table" in the first place?
I don't like him being 'on the table' for today because of how many people migrated to him as a backup---he appeared almost certain to become the lynch of choice for the day and it wasn't because people felt strongly about him being a good lynch. Does that sound like an inevitable scum lynch to you?
As far as me taking him off 'too early...' what does that mean hzflank?
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On November 05 2013 14:59 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 14:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Alright my turn. This was what stuck out the most for me about Syl: On November 05 2013 12:56 Sylencia wrote:On November 05 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote:
Aight. That was an interesting read.
As for witchpowershiznit, I suggest we claim our votes only, 72 hours after. I've come up with an interesting idea as well. We will claim the votes in order, one at a time. I have an algorhithm based on certain actions in the game that make me very confident in the idea this will work.
Also, vote me for blue.
I'd like to hear more from players: raynpelikoneet, hzflank, thrawn, Sn0_Man + Myself.
##Vote: WaveOfShadow Have you actually read the thread? I'm sure you would've already dismissed your idea already because we already discussed revealing witchcraft votes and it was either too risky or there were problems in regards to the overlap of blues because we're not likely to change our votes that much between the days, so it's a simple blue shot no matter when we really reveal... I don't really buy the fact that there's an algorithm which would work in our favour 'depending on certain actions in the games' because there are so many things which can happen. Following on from that, why would it ever be a smart move to try gather WC votes so obviously when it just sets you up to be a vig target? The vote on WoS in your very first post sets you up here for a long long tunnel which I'm still currently getting through (though I've taken a skip over the wall of text for now) - if anything I feel like you decided to target WoS after seeing recent posts and then did the long filter dive process to back it up at a later point. This is obviously baseless conjecture but I can see that happening from a scum player.On November 05 2013 09:05 Cephiro wrote:On November 05 2013 08:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 05 2013 08:43 Cephiro wrote:
I was simply curious of your opinion about ET. Even though I cannot be sure it's from a town point of view, it still helps to hear perspectives of others as well, to ensure one is not too tunneled with their own opinion, whether it's about thinking someone is town or scum. Even though a certain confidence in one's reads is a must. Ok. So what are your thoughts on this game? You've just now made your first post, but it's somewhat devoid of content which is surprising since you already know who you want to vote for. You've discussed some things with me without really talking about your own views on the game. So far, despite you making a serious vote and having a serious conversation with me about another player, I still have no clue how you're thinking about the game. Why is this and can you fix it? Yes, I didn't intend to start off with a case, neither reason my vote on WoS more specificly. If there is someone you want my general or specific opinion on, just ask. I have several reads to a direction or another, as well as many nullreads. I just don't consider most of them to be worth sharing right now. Nevertheless I'm content with joining in like this, and I intend to make my thought process clear regarding my reads to the most extent, excluding possible thingamagics I have a tendency of pulling off. As for a more concise reply: It is because I wanted to not present all my thoughts in the open immediately. I can "fix" it by replying to any queries you might have. I will also be sharing more content when I find it necessary. How is actively choosing not to give reasoning behind your votes ever townie here? Especially when you make a 'serious' vote on the first post which means that literally no one knows that your train of thought has been before you voted? Choosing to present thoughts only when asked is basically allowing yourself to reveal as little about what you think as possible, which really only has scum motivation behind it since it reduces the likelihood of inconsistencies popping up in the future, no? Skimming over your case, half the points honestly seem like a stretch and rayn's covered pretty much my thoughts on that, I'll have to get back to your reply soon but honestly it's taken me an hour to hit this point because everyone seems to want to write essays these days :{ Conclusion: I don't really buy Ceph's case, and his entrance to me looks like a forced tunnel into WoS. That said, I still need to look at a few other filters before getting deeper reads but Ceph's on my radar at the moment. I looked over this a couple of times and I'm not sure what conclusion to draw. Initially I thought 'Well here's a completely new point nobody has brought up regarding the Ceph case before. I disagree with the conclusion (same as Umasi) but it looks like he's legitimately diving and putting forth effort. Townie points.' The issue I'm finding now upon reading it again is, what mindset does it take to assume that Ceph's aggression is forced? Sylencia's assumption obviously wasn't a common thought amongst those people who tried to debunk Cephiro's case on me, otherwise it would have been brought up already. I think originally I had Sylencia as town but on second thought now I'm not so sure. It seems my thoughts may be more in line with hzflank. He calls his own idea of pre-targeting 'baseless conjecture,' and most importantly he calls it something he could see as scum being likely to do---but would a townie immediately consider this? I think it speaks of a scum mindset honestly. I have him just below null on the scum-o-meter and I will not be lynching him today; as was stated I don't think it will be too difficult to garner reads on him as we go forward. The point of my game though was to see who would engage freely and see which of the points I initially thought of when looking through Sylencia were brought up by others and why---again this can often be very telling as to where others' mindsets lie when performing analysis. As it stands right now I shared some of Umasi's and hzflank's thoughts enough that I am still fine in where my vote stands---on Onegu, who did not bother to address what was going on in thread, rather he chose to comment on my post defending his activity and throw out some other irrelevant reads for the moment. I just said I havent caught up only skimmed as I have a doctors appointment (in waiting room now). You calling me out again for this is you just ignoreing what I am saying and comeing after me for precieved ignoreing of thread. Ill get to it in a few hours as I have to have a IV treatment I wont be around for now.
Then I await it.
Until then, vote stands.
Eventually there is going to have to be talk of consolidation btw, especially since I will not likely be around for the deadline.
There are way too many targets floating around today and some of them need to be removed.
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On November 05 2013 16:02 EchelonTee wrote:
It takes 7 votes to lynch, and a no-lynch is very, very bad for town (it is one of town's few KP methods), so everybody in the thread had better comment on my case on Thrawn or have a good reason not to.
Oh shits. It's majority lynch.
I absolutely do NOT want a no-lynch today.
Thrawn is not high enough on my scummy list to lynch him above those who I have named earlier.
FUck there's definitely going to be a no-lynch because I can't be around for deadline....fuck I'll try to phonepost it in around that time.
ET you don't find Onegu scummy in the slightest? Why are you absolutely set on thrawn?
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On November 05 2013 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey WoS, why is Onegu a better lynch than gumshoe?
Because I don't think gumshoe is scum.
You have done exactly nothing to demonstrate that he is. Why would I vote him?
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On November 05 2013 15:40 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 14:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and thrawn sitting back and baiting reactions looks like shit honestly.
I don't know what responses he was looking for doing that, but to me it appears as though he left the meaning of 'doozy' (positive/negative connotation?) purposefully ambiguous.
I think that Thrawn is scum. Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far
PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs
I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there:
rayn
WoS
Sylencia
OO
Vanesco
Umasi
if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. He never pursued the people not on his list. I find claiming that you will do something, then not doing it scummy; it looks like you are pursuing leads when you are not actually. Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 14:59 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 04 2013 14:38 EchelonTee wrote:On November 04 2013 12:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm out for a bit...fairly bland start so far
PSA: it is Nov 04 2013 which means I'm wearing a special hat for special people so I will likely NOT be sober at any given moment over the next 24-ish hrs
I don't see anything blatantly scummy atm, but I do want to throw this list out there:
rayn
WoS
Sylencia
OO
Vanesco
Umasi
if you aren't on this list then that means you either haven't posted, or you haven't posted anything memorable and as such you will be who I focus on first upon returning to the thread. So you are advocating a lurker lynch. how's it goin? no, not even thinking about lynching yet. but i'm glad you brought it (lurker lynching) up what do you think about the drama? is it real drama or is it " real" drama? or just distracting and annoying? I thought these questions were strange because they don't serve any purpose. If his purpose was to get me to talk (as when I questioned Syl), he didn't respond to me at all, which makes me wonder why he asked me these. It feels to me like fake activity. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
-rayn - I want to fucking lynch this guy because I know he's capable of doing so much more. I'm not talking about quantity of posts. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn goddammit you cannot play like kushm4sta
only kush can do that and still be readable Thrawn votes rayn but never really explains why. Does not quote rayn or outline his reasoning. Yet he wants to "fucking lynch him". This does not feel like a real scum read to me. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 13:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 05 2013 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright let's play a game.
It's called, 'What are people's reads on Syl?'
When I get 3-4 answers I will explain my own and why.
Bonus points to hzflank if he is one of them. Umasi too. Also Rayn. haha that syl vote for ET is a doozy aint it I don't like posts like this that don't say anything. It doesn't feel like thrawn has an actual read on Syl and is just commenting on the current topic for some activity. A brief filter of analysis of Thrawn's previous two games, Desert Mini and British Empire Mini corroborate my views. Posts like these outline clear reasons why Thrawn views there's players as scum and show an intent to scumhunt. In this game, he has done a lot of lists and lightly push rayn for a lack of activity. I think there is a stark contrast. ##Vote: Thrawn2112
I don't think you're reaching, but it seems your vote is largely based on meta in that he is not performing as you expect him to as compared to previous games in which you've played with him.
On November 05 2013 10:10 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your D1 feels pretty similar to mine in this regard; I don't usually have strong scumreads D1 though this game is proving an exception since there are a lot more people jumping out at me (double entendre!) than usual.
You should read gumshoe's posts. I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about him. (I also would actually like him to comment on my defenses of his 'fake-but-not-really' case on me outside of the reactions that others gave him at some point. )
I follow your thought process but I want to make note of something here. I have a bad feeling (and I can't exactly mention why I think this) that Rayn is not going to actively be playing this game, and as such will essentially be passively pushing us to policy lynch him, as some people are basically doing at the moment.
I would also like the mention that whether this is the case or not, I probably won't be voting for him today because I would at least like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am certainly confident in my ability to find people scummier than him today. Onegu/Sn0 and now maybe Umasi fit the bill for me atm. I have no idea wtf Cephiro is thinking right now but I don't...think...he's scum? Usually I start games off by making myself the center of attention but I didn't do that here because 1) there aren't enough people who are familiar with my town play who could bail me out if things go wrong and 2) I think people are mostly annoyed when I do that. Becoming the center of attention usually gives me something to work with, it's very easy to find scum when half the thread is accusing you. Without that tool I'm admittedly a little lost, or maybe bored is the better word. I wanted to roll mafia this game because I roll town something close to 95% (no joke) of the time, so after getting town yet again I became even less interested... add to that how I hardly know anyone on the player list and you should be able to understand my current attitude. I agree with you about Cephero. His entrance was a little awkward but he gave me a straight up answer so I'm cool with him for now. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cephiro looks town to me.
thrawn i find that hard to believe because the last game you played here Sylencia was scum in.. lol do you really? I'm not convinced you care at all. Are you wanting to make it an issue or are you only here to make passive accusations?
What did you make of this post where he explains his behaviour?
The other main reason I don't want to lynch him is because at one point in the game we were basically completely in sync. If someone is thinking the same way as me at the same time that gives me reason to believe he is also town.
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Ughhhhhhhhh the self-vote.
Fuck now I do want to change it. I don't know if I've ever really seen scum martyr (self-vote, whatever) like that specifically and he gave us pre-death reads.
Rayn he quoted you here---does that thought stand? Is his play too shit to be scum?
##Unvote
ET I await your return because I want to see if you can convince me now that I don't have a primary target. I still don't think I'd go Sn0 today (though if he acts the same way tomorrow as he does today he's dead tomorrow) and I feel better about Umasi than I did so maybe it is thrawn. The thought process thing has yet to steer me wrong though, and I would find it odd that thrawn would be so happy-go-lucky about talking about town circles and whatnot...
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On November 05 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E
I have no idea what to think about it either.
Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe?
I see your point but the effort he put in while he WAS here (sporadically) gives me a great deal of pause. Why would he do that as scum? What is the motivation?
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On lunch soon.
Sn0, show me where Onegu martyrs as scum. Its the only thing holding me back atm.
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On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays.
I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town.
I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now.
Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right.
Nope I disagree. That's not at all the same thing as what he's doing right now, and I don't think I have a good reason to put my vote back on him right now.
Problem is, I don't know who I DO want to put my vote back onto.
You don't seem particularly grateful for me saving your ass considering it would probably be you up for lynch if I didn't recognize the wish and the wash leading up to it. Now I'm wondering if I made a mistake derailing that. Do you plan on being useless the whole game? In which case I could use similar logic you just used towards Onegu---you haven't done anything to make me think you're town, and maybe it would be good to solve a question mark, hmmm?
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On November 06 2013 02:45 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? dude it happens like every game
LOL I fucking did it LAST GAME I was in---everyone called it martyring though I disagreed----I was doing it because I had no scumreads at the time and didn't want to be modkilled rather than throw out an RNG vote.
In any case, no to Onegu. Umm.....can we look at Umasi mabes? I liked his response to the Syl question/pressure but maybe there's something else there I'm nto seeing. I think ET wanted to look at him as well?
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Where in the shit is everybody?
If I'm going to attempt to put in the effort to show up for deadline on my phone or whatever people had better be here and we'd better get a fucking majority.
BH I hate you for this majority lynch. I love you but I hate you.
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On November 06 2013 03:09 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TLRD;
(1) EchelonTee's reasoning for thrawn being scum changes half-way through D1 for some parts of his argument. When townies do this they add new content to their case. EchelonTee, instead of doing this, changes his reasoning for old content to fit his case better. There is no town motivation for doing so.
(2) EchelonTee does "skim through player's filter from another game" without actually even skimming through it. There is no town motivation to go into other player's filter from another game and then do nothing there.
[u](3) EchelonTee when being called out for his case says "prove to me he is town". This is not how the game works and everyone should know this. This is a justification to sit on his vote when he can't actually prove (as it seems) thrawn is scum because nobody can possibly prove thrawn is town at this stage of the game.
(4) EchelonTee is not paying attention and making up stuff on the fly. This has been proven by many things. His filter skim, his change of reasoning, his answer to my gumshoe case, him asking people's opinions on his case on thrawn and when people give them he misses it.
None of those things i can see a townie doing in any situation. Fuck the meta analysis. Fine my case was shit, I didn't know that thrawn was smurfing that game. I already indicated I would back away from my case if I had made a mistake Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:52 EchelonTee wrote:I did not do intensive meta research. I skimmed your posts, but did not skim rayn's posts. If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so, I could back off for now. so I think it's completely messed up that you are arguing I am twisting information when I am trying to be as reasonable as possible. I can't believe that you are trying to push a lynch on me at this stage in the game when there is almost no chance I will be lynched. You are contributing to a no-lynch and had better get off of me right now. My main point about thrawn has always been that he didn't do anything, which he himself acknowledges. I guess that's fine in Mafia these days. Vote people who are trying to do things and ignore people who do nothing. I am paying attention and am not making up things on the fly. I'm extremely, extremely insulted that you claim so. Compare my 1:1 with other players to the game and seriously, I'm the one who isn't paying attention to thread? I'm the most scummy to you? I don't even know what to say. I disagree that gumshoe's interactions/contributions are fake, and therefore I'm scum. Seriously. ##Unvote
This post makes me pretty damn sure you're town---fuck I hate D1 sometimes---so many townreads, not enough scumreads. You removing your vote from thrawn at this point in time is the icing on the cake.
ET where are we going?
I'm hovering back to Umasi and Sn0 honestly, but there are still things holding me back.
I have about 15 min left in my lunch and then I won't be around until either a few hours after deadline or right before deadline, depending on what goes on with my lab this afternoon.
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On November 06 2013 03:16 EchelonTee wrote:
holy fuck stop calling me town don't fucking vote me as blue holy shit
lolol
Calm your tits.
My reasoning for not wanting to vote Sn0 is simply because of the way the votes were piling on to him earlier in the day. I found it extremely unlikely at a time where everybody had their votes on different people that SO many people had him as a 'backup' when one by one their scumreads were lost for whatever reason. It screams of a scum-led mislynch early in the process.
That is the only reason why I am hesitant to vote him; his activity and play this game does not make me think he is town however.
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On November 06 2013 03:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote:hzflank
^^ this is placeholder while I decide
Goddamn it thrawn I literally went to bathroom, thought 'oh yeah, hzflank. maybe I placeholder him,' come back, and there you are.
you're scaring me.
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On November 05 2013 14:56 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as me taking him off 'too early...' what does that mean hzflank? Doesn't matter now. I was trying to fish in multiple ponds with a single rod, and I messed it up.
This is the kind of thing you did while you were scum; i remember that much.
I have to go through and look specifically if you ever hinted towards making plays but didn't actually do anything---something about that rings a bell with me but I won't have the time to do it pre-lynch.
hell i don't mind the placeholder either right now. I will attempt to be back before the lynch if any major developments happen between now and then. I would suggest other people have a good look at hzflank as well to see if this can turn into a wagon of justice or if we will have to move off closer to the time.
##Vote: hzflank
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Alright, let's begin.
On November 06 2013 05:11 EchelonTee wrote:
i thought waveofshadow and hzflank were supposed to be respected / strong (as stated by players in this game) where the hell are they
I thought I'd be able to be back or at the very least phonepost before lynch. Turns out I was wrong and my lab went long. Not that it matters but I'm stating it anyway: I would have removed my vote from hzflank but I would NOT have placed it on gumshoe. There was zero scum motivation for gumshoe to have posted his case(/fakecase?) on me at all and put in the effort he did, and I was fairly sure he wasn't scum. That being said, I don't know who I would have wanted to push a switch to.
That also being said, I think I know who I want to lynch tomorrow.  I'll get to that later though.
Cephiro's no-lynch plan intrigued me when I saw it; I may have considered it honestly because I have seen stronger towns than this one fail to lynch scum D1 (basically EVERY town fails to lynch scum D1) and there is a real reason to keep people alive on this first day. Given the choice between no-lynch and gumshoe I would have chosen the no-lynch despite the lack of information received---I was already pretty sure of gumshoe. All of this is crying over spilt milk so whatever.
What I think may be important to look into is how the lynch on gumshoe progressed and so quickly but again, later.
On November 06 2013 06:32 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:26 Umasi wrote:
idk, the last post by hzflank does not look scummy though, he asserts that he doesn't want to vote ET, and he backs off on me..
kinda like, a lack of self preservation Oh don't worry, people's votes on me make no sense, therefore I am relying on them not sticking. For example, WoS tends to think that people are town when they are reading the game in a similar fashion to him, right? Remember when I pushed you and WoS said "I was going to do that" or when I read Syl and WoS said they he read it the same way I did? WoS does not think I am scum, WoS wants me to be scum because I offended him and/or he saw my ego in full effect when he coached me. His vote can still change.As for Thrawn and ET, well they are defaulting to me because they have no one better to vote for and they did not like my case on Sn0. The thing is, if you read me carefully you will noticed that my case on Sn0 was never meant to be pushed. In that portion of the game I actually thought that Umasi and ET were scum. The case on Sn0 was an attempt to engage him which failed. The case was also an attempt to make people view him in a more negative light so that I could see what people said about him when he appeared to be a somewhat easy lynch. People don't really think that I am scum yet still want to lynch me D1. Reminds me of the White flag game that just ended
hzflank you are maybe half right? I am not angry at you at that is not a good reason to want to lynch you. I suppose your comment that I 'want you to be scum' is sort of right because it would at least resolve the odd feelings I get from your posting in this game, though I wouldn't go so far as to not think you're scum at all and want to lynch you anyway. The fact that you would say this is very strange because isn't that a blatantly anti-town way to play? Do you think I am anti-town?
On November 06 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 06:55 gumshoe wrote:
You all do realize I could have sat back and watched the no lynch go through / : besides I always ninja vote, get killed for it, and have never once flipped scum. Meh while this is true, it's not alignment indicative because of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! WoS knows what i am talking about.
No Rayn...I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about. Explain please?
More to come, but I wouldn't mind some responses/answers first.
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