EPTEchelon has been one of my most townie reads for a large majority of this game. I agree with his point that the second time that thrawn votes ryan it is not given reason as to why really. Yes it seems more like pressure but I think its possible he just misinterpreted that. The rest of the points seem to more about meta game things, which since I know none of you I can't get too involved in that. However the accusations on the meta seem very weak to me. I do only agree that maybe his case on gumshoe is fairly weak. Just because somebody shows effort and contribution by making a long post does not mean they cannot be scum, however the way I read it is that he thinks gumshoe is at least providing more pro town content than thrawn. It seems that there has been no real agreement on a target and as such I still think thrawn is the best vote. I will try to come online during work near the post deadline to see if anything sways my opinion, and since I will be on my phone and short pressed on time, I will give any vote changes reasoning once I return home.
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Vanesco
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Echelon has been one of my most townie reads for a large majority of this game. I agree with his point that the second time that thrawn votes ryan it is not given reason as to why really. Yes it seems more like pressure but I think its possible he just misinterpreted that. The rest of the points seem to more about meta game things, which since I know none of you I can't get too involved in that. However the accusations on the meta seem very weak to me. I do only agree that maybe his case on gumshoe is fairly weak. Just because somebody shows effort and contribution by making a long post does not mean they cannot be scum, however the way I read it is that he thinks gumshoe is at least providing more pro town content than thrawn. It seems that there has been no real agreement on a target and as such I still think thrawn is the best vote. I will try to come online during work near the post deadline to see if anything sways my opinion, and since I will be on my phone and short pressed on time, I will give any vote changes reasoning once I return home. | ||
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Before the voting spree there were no votes on gumshoe, however hzflank was starting to gain traction with a total of 6 votes at that moment. Just one vote away from being a majority vote, thrawn decides to unvote and vote for gumshoes. thrawn is also the one to start the votes on hz and claims it to just be a placeholder. However his change right when hz is about to get the majority vote is interesting. It seems to be a deflection and since gumshoe hasn't been super active during the game he would be a good target. Also the last person to vote on hz was infact gumshoe. It seems like it is a possibility that thrawn saw an opportunity to take off on gumshoe because of his late vote and him being a good target that people might be willing to go for. It seems like thrawn is trying to deflect off of hz and onto gumshoe in my opinion. It just seems like too much of a coincidence to not at least take into account. Basically after that rayn, hz, umasi, echelon, sno, and cephiro kinda just jump on without stating a reason why (very little time so kinda understandable). Now that you don't only have 5 minutes to explain your vote, I would like to hear all of you (everybody who voted on him) why you decided to vote on gumshoe. | ||
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On November 06 2013 11:17 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know what you're accusing me of. Yeah, I was the first person on both wagons. So what? Are you saying I tried to save hzflank by switching to gumshoe? This only makes sense if hz is mafia, but then why would I have even tried to get hz lynched in the first place? I voted for gumshoe because I changed my mind about hz after seeing what looked like honest posts right before the deadline. Gumshoe also came in at a hilariously bad timing, and he was sorta the only person that it looked like people would agree to lynch. You need to understand that I don't think that many people actually preferred gumshoe, but because people like yourself weren't there to help us figure out the lynch we had to choose between shitty options. Right at the end there it was either hz, gum, or no lynch. If you think we should have done a better job maybe you'll be around next time to help? You don't really end up voting for him because you really think he is scum. You even say that you use him as a placeholder and afterwards you explain your read on him here but even in that case you say that you are hesitant on him. It's alright to change ones mind, I'm just pointing out that it happened at a very crucial time and seems very much like a possible coincidence. And are you attacking me? I gave previous reasons as to why I would not be available well in advance. | ||
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On November 06 2013 11:41 thrawn2112 wrote: Correct, when I voted for him I did not think he was scum, as I stated in the vote post. At that point in the game I was using process of elimination to decide on a lynch and hzflank was one of the people I ruled out. I went and researched his filter, and it turned out there were things in his filter that made me actually want to lynch him which is why I stuck with my vote and tried to convince others to go along with it. And yes I was attacking you, not because I think you're scum (which I don't) but because it's really fucking annoying to be in the thread for like 4 solid hours before the lynch deadline desperately trying to put together a lynch when hardly anyone is around, and then later people who weren't around to help blame the people who were there. Don't get me wrong thrawn, I'm not putting any blame on you. I just posted that it is very coincidental and should be taken note off. The fact that you think I'm blaming you I think is more to do with the fact that you probably expect some type of blame to be put on you because you were the first to post the voting bus on gumshoe and that I also gave you as my biggest scum read. I'll try to summarize my first post in much shorter words. The vote seems rushed and rushed usually means a good time for scum to start jumping, therefore I feel like at least 1 vote should have come from scum. The interaction that took place should be noted off because of how coincidental it seems. Everybody who voted on gumshoe should give reasons why. | ||
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So for all who voted on hzflank, I would like to see why you thought that hzflank was your appropriate vote at the time. | ||
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Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man. For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time. The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning. | ||
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So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill. OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO. ##Vote: Sn0_Man | ||
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I also don't like how Umasi just comes out of nowhere after being on my case for the whole game and then just suddenly backing off without any reason why. He then proceeds to vote without anything other than thinking that cephiro is a possible lynch. Like wtf. Umasi explain your actions since nothing is making sense. Sno keeps on talking about how he thinks OO died and is really wanting to make others think that it is a silver bullet (when we are not sure). To me it seems most likely that sno is saying this because if OO was killed by a silver bullet, it puts less suspicion on him, but if OO was a nightkill than there seems to be more suspicion on sno. I've also disliked that sno at one point wanted the votes on the blue to come out. At the moment I am comfortable with lynching Umasi or sno. | ||
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I still would prefer lynching either umasi or sno but I would be willing to also lynch onegu as my 3rd at this moment. I will still keep my vote on sno since we still have 2 hours to decide and I think he is the better lynch, but if need be I will switch to either umasi or onegu (I will be here till deadline). | ||
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