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On November 09 2013 05:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oh wait somehow I thought the lynch was now not in 2 hours.
NVM.
Don't think in a majority vote game there is much reason to self-hammer but iunno.
Self hammering as scum denies town information. Seeing Onegu being lynched without giving up lets us know more because that's one more vote to anaylze. Also when scum just give up like that, they are outed and it makes it easy for their teammates to "buss."
In the only scum game I'm even a little bit proud of we used dayvig shots on the cop when he outed one of our teammates with a red check. He was very townie and everyone was gonna defer to his word so it was better to go ahead and let the thread know that our teammate was scum way early in the cycle, rather than let them argue about it which would generate useful discussion.
Now that onegu has given up we don't get to have that nail-biting 2 hours before lynch where people take stands and reveal their true motives.
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LOL just saw that post from vanesco
van dude...
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I strongly encourage every TLMafia player to post babyseals pics in their first post of every game until everyone stfu about it.
Except for hapa he can continue using it as his own personal scumclaim
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Hi hopeless. How do you think this game is going? Are you caught up?
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wow i'm bad
lol sorry guys idk what to say
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lol if this were vengeful mafia ceph would be dead twice
sylencia are you too cool for school?
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i went for wos rayn and obvious D1
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honestly right now I have 0 reads. my plan after the D2 lynch was to not interact with the thread at all for awhile and see what happens.... now I know lol
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who is scum
rayn?
sn0?
vanesco or umi?
please tell me if ur town
sn0 man I gave you town reads all game and you've done nothing but buddy up to me
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why didnt you claim rb at the start of d2
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nah I really really doubt that. rayn is probably mafia before WoS is and I really doubt that too
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ok reads list time
rayn and wos are town. rayn might not be but he prolly is. in either case don't lynch either of them on d3 because there are other scum that are probably easier to catch and wos/rayn have consistently cared about discussion.
i will note that I didn't mind syl's posting during this night cycle and I'd probably look elsewhere for mafia, at least at the start of the day phase. same sorta goes for hopeless's posts from D2 which reallly sucks because that means I have no scumreads. therefore....
everyone else is lazy or scum. if you are lazy/town and plan on continuing being lazy d3 then town will probably lose.
thems my reads
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On November 10 2013 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn give me one good reason why i should have claimed roleblock?
um have you ever played mafia before? claiming roleblock is standard? doesn't really matter in this setup because even if you claim rb it doesn't mean you're blue so there's no reason to be scared of getting sniped
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On November 10 2013 06:58 Cephiro wrote:
rayn, if you die tonight, thrawn or wos first?
dude wtf, if those are really your reads then you're scum or you havnt read a single page of this game
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On November 10 2013 09:22 Vanesco wrote:
hey koshi what are your current scum reads and why? I understand it can be hard to just get into a game as a replacement but I think you have had enough time to develop your own reads.
wasup
why you picking on koshi? do you *really* think he's mafia?
also, what are your views on the current state of the game and who is mafia
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ok van it's your turn to share
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why sn0man? stop being lazy. i'm pretty sure we only have 1 mislynch left so if you actually think sn0man is scum then you should be trying your damnedest to prove it
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Ok, lets go through each of those posts then. Sn0_Man if you're town then you really need to make an appearance.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 07 2013 17:18 Vanesco wrote:
After me trying to ask why people decided to vote on gumshoe in the last few minutes of the day I only got 2 responses (by thrawn and rayn). Mostly everybody else has been kinda lurking up to this point and still hasn't given a reason for their vote on gumshoe. I still believe that most likely that scum was involved in the vote since i don't think 7/9 townies would instantly change their vote which is why the reasons for switching your votes is really important in my opinion.
Out of the 7 who voted on gumshoe I feel like the most scummy are umasi and sno_man.
For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there is because I do not think he is as scummy as I did last time. Ever since night 1 he has been posting well in my opinion. Another reason why is because of what I found suspicious at first, that he kinda deflected off of hzflank and started the vote on gumshoe. The more I think of it it makes me lean more town on him each time.
The argument still stands if they are both scum, but it would have been a big risk to take, but still a possibility. I don't see the scenario working if thrawn was scum and hzflank was town, that he would poke his head so far out to vote on gumshoe when all that was needed was 1 more vote on hzflank. And if thrawn is town, regardless of hzflanks alignment, he thought that gumshoe was a better vote as explained in his reasoning.
you gave no reason why the scummiest gumshoe votes were umasi/sn0, you merely stated that you thought so. the bulk of that post is you explaining how your read changed on me, something which is a little uneeded, especially since you didn't feel the need to go into your sn0 scum read. When you say things like "For those who are wondering why thrawn isn't there" it makes me think you feel guilty about being mafia or whatever.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2013 13:03 Vanesco wrote:
This town is seriously ignoring so many things its putting town at a setback in my opinion. Like seriously, its now Day 2 and we are in a worse position than at the start of the game. Now instead of 10 townies we are down to 8 while scum are still at 3. What has town learnt? Not much apart from having more time to make reads on player interaction. Why is nobody interested in following up on how gumshoe was killed or why OO was a target?
So far (unless I accidentally missed it in the thread), Umasi, EchelonTee (now kinda excused since replaced), Sn0_Man, and Cephiro have not given any type of explanation as to why they decided to change their vote onto gumshoe in the last few minutes, which I am still waiting for. If those 3 (this is excluding EchelonTee) are allowed to get away with lynching a townie without ever even having to reason why it would be a big mistake. If one of those 3 happens to be scum then its like giving them a free pass on a kill.
OO's death is interesting in my opinion since a few people were kinda talking about lynching or thinking of lynching him come day 2. I think that regardless of if OO was NK or silver bullet shot, there was a reason why they chose him over somebody else. It seems that OO was mainly focused on sno for most of the game. He was also suspicious of others however sno is the one that seems to occur many times and sno's posts have very much the similar type where he has been mainly wanting to get rid of OO.
##Vote: Sn0_Man
I still dont see you giving an adequate explanation for your sn0 scumread. All you do is talk about how he didn't answer your questions regarding the D1 last minute vote switch. There were lots of other people who completely ignored your questions, and imo they weren't very important questions to begin with. Anyone with half a brain can read the pages leading up to gum's lynch and be able to figure out why the thread wanted gumshoe dead. The vote switch was not that big of a deal imo and not very alignment indicative of anyone participating. You spent waaaaaay too much time talking about it. Later in that post also try to setup sn0 to be scum based on night kill speculation which makes me feel verrrrrrry uneasy about your motives.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2013 13:23 Vanesco wrote:
I don't really think sno has had any affect (or effect?) on this game so far. He mentions that he is playing like his standard day 1 and not really giving any reads. I don't know his meta or really care for it too much, but not willing to give ANY reads sends some alarm bells to my head thinking he could be scum. He also says that he promises he is making reads and thinking about the game, where so far all he has really done is talk about how he thinks OO has died and nothing else of actual value.
dude, pick almost anyone from the game and lots of the things here are true about them too. I actually think you've had less of an impact on the game than sn0. People have been pretty much ignoring you and letting you get away with making post after post about D1 lynch analysis without ever having very much to show for it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 09 2013 01:30 Vanesco wrote:
Ok so has nobody noticed that although Onegu says he is voting on rayn but puts his vote instead on koshi? (apart from maybe WoS). Onegu, not giving reasons for your vote just seems like your trying to put your vote on someone and hoping that others agree with you. I want to hear more of why you voted for you who voted (and maybe switch your vote cause from your post it looks like you want to vote rayn instead of koshi).
I also don't like how Umasi just comes out of nowhere after being on my case for the whole game and then just suddenly backing off without any reason why. He then proceeds to vote without anything other than thinking that cephiro is a possible lynch. Like wtf. Umasi explain your actions since nothing is making sense.
Sno keeps on talking about how he thinks OO died and is really wanting to make others think that it is a silver bullet (when we are not sure). To me it seems most likely that sno is saying this because if OO was killed by a silver bullet, it puts less suspicion on him, but if OO was a nightkill than there seems to be more suspicion on sno. I've also disliked that sno at one point wanted the votes on the blue to come out.
At the moment I am comfortable with lynching Umasi or sno.
this post... idk. the things you say about sn0 are true but they aren't very damning imo. it's all speculation about sn0's speculation....bleh. also, I kinda want sn0man to chime in on this point before I defend him because I think I know what he was thinking but I want to hear him say it first.
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