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On October 23 2013 12:16 Umasi wrote: I'll /cohost if you want another otherwise, I'll /obs OBZY GET THE FUCK IN THIS GAME LIKE YOU SAID YOU FLIPPANTLY PROMISED YOU WOULD I played in 30, I played in 40, so I'll play in 50- /in but you are denied from cohosting as a result. roar | ||
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On October 23 2013 23:50 WaveofShadow wrote: + Show Spoiler + Obzy will you gain the confidence from this to play more often? I hope so. My themed is coming up, Umasi is helping and its gonna be gud!! Haha we'll see. If I didn't work, I'd play more often ^^ Although I don't really plan on stopping working (unfortunately) :l and dunno. Unlikely though! | ||
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Although there's only a page so far... first off, anyone here? Second, even though cakeman's comment on Storr is potentially somewhat accusatory, it's so mild it doesn't even register notice. So far, there doesn't really seem to be an obnoxious (read as: discussion generating) individual around, which is probably why the start is so slow. Rather than the comment on Storr though, the only thing that I really noticed atm is On October 30 2013 10:21 cakemanofdoom wrote: At least, wouldn't something concrete (rather than a vague comment that can basically be ignored as personal musing) be better for forcing people to talk? --> cake's first post was reaching a little, but this second one ends in a way that sounds like he's... hmm. Basically the fact it's a question looks like he's trying to garner approval rather than say anything with it. Also, his mention of Storr's post might as well just be personal musing given how little it mattered, and it certainly didn't generate discussion. Any thoughts? :l (I'm gonna try to get into a bit of a habit this game of posting whatever I've written rather than continuously editing it based on the most recent post, so if I look 1-4 posts behind, just roll with it) | ||
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I don't really care if you have nothing to say; if you haven't posted yet, make yourself available. Even though we're all apparently so nice that our accusations look like we're hitting each other with wiffle balls, there's stuff to talk about. [just don't ask me what it is] and okay, I buy that. I like the point about how a good discussion starter is to apply pressure. We definitely need some. A game that even I am able to keep up on is moving really, really slowly. Hmphph.hhh. I don't really like how Storr answered irrelevant things without answering direct questions posed to him before apparently leaving. like how Balla says 'there's nothing there' [outofcontext]- there really isn't. All he's said is that he is fine with lynching lurkers, makes his one line that we've been looking at the reaction to, and leaves. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:07 cakemanofdoom wrote: Storr's post seems to be just trying to randomly add suspicion on Balla. There's no justification behind it, only a weak suggestion that the post might be bad somehow. Almost like he's hoping for someone else to jump in and find a reason to get Balla lynched. This sounds almost like personal musing because your conclusion is so vague. The wording implies you want us to nod along, rather than actually pointing a finger at him yourself. (I mean, even the implication of what the original post is doing is storr apparently hoping that somebody else will come in and also point a finger at someone.) if that makes any sense | ||
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wtf TL doesn't think miniscule is a word | ||
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On October 30 2013 13:48 JonnyLaw wrote: @cake Nah, I'm keeping that opinion to myself for a while. I'm not telling anyone how to play on day one. Nyxnyxnyx is active in lol subforum. I expect to see him post in the next few hours. It's an awkward time for him. @storr If you've played or obs'd newb games you'd understand his concern. This thread looks active and that's an oddity from what i've seen in the last two games. Does this thread seriously look active? =l | ||
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I'm down with that, he's normally active in the preceding 5 hours if you go by last newbie game, would've expected him to drop in at least once. | ||
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Storr, what do you think of Van atm? | ||
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Jonny, I agree with some of your points about Van - why do you bring up Poofter at the end, though? It seems unrelated to the rest of your case. Although I'd love to just continue calling out all the lurkers, at the moment; ##Unvote ##Vote: nyxnyxnyx For having only one post, coming in with a "well, I said I'd make some reads" and saying "I think that the people that are receiving attention are scummy too!" says practically nothing. I also, although I'd much rather not kill him today, think Storr's post here is interesting in that it doesn't talk about nyx at all, when nyx showed up to post literally exactly what he apparently doesn't want the non-posting (lurkers?) to do. | ||
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Atm I'm thinking balla, van, and jonny are pretty solidly town right now - not really gonna bother linking/finding exact sources, but the way that balla has played all game has seemed townie to me (actively questioning people with good questions, answering questions using logic that I would have applied, so on and so forth). I was significantly nuller on Van yesterday, which is why when I saw jonny's minicase this morning, I liked parts of it, although I didn't have time to really gauge van's response. Throughout the day though, the way that Van has been applying pressure has indeed been consistent and he's had a wide range of targets, which is consistent with the way he has liked to play. Also, his thoughts on scummy people have been things I've largely agreed with. Yesterday, I thought Van was scummier than not mostly due to pointing out how he treats everybody as potential mafia at the beginning (a reasonable sentiment, whatever) - but immediately tunneled on cake (which was also fine) - while siding with Storr, who I thought he should've been more suspicious of. Jonny's mini-case that I saw this morning basically poked at exactly that; that and a combination of recent activity is what makes me lean fairly town on him as well. Those three are probably my strongest reads at this point. So there's one thing that really sort of bothered me - (and it was indeed because I was referenced for no reason) - July entered with, in my opinion, a restatement of what I had already said, and then proceeded to make a few mostly pointless posts, particularly here. In the linked post, he blatantly misread - and was promptly shot down, of course - but then somehow decided to keep talking about it after Van responded? He hasn't said anything of value, and for that I'd happily vote him; but this is all just buildup- oh wait nvm okay so I was thinking that Storr's post here On October 31 2013 01:50 StorrZerg wrote: cake might be town i know he has had a lot of pressue, but he doesnt scream scum to me yet. @obzy push something else. no reason to sheep onto july yet. made no sense, because I hadn't thought there was anything to sheep... Completely forgot that I had voted him yesterday before unvoting this morning, and that Storr had actually already voted him. I had sort of been wondering what it meant that my suspicions of July's bad posting somehow caused Storr to tell me to not sheep onto July yet, but it was just my reading fail. W/e ^_^;;; I think cake is probably more town than not, he seems like a very typical "be scummy while acting townie" to me. I don't feel comfortable voting him today, his recent posting has been solid, and his initial posting didn't really seem bad, although that's just my interpretation. Regarding E00e, Vonthin, nyxnyxnyx, and onlywonderboy - I don't really have solid reads on any of them. Owb's recent post where he actually says some things isn't too bad though, so I don't really know if he should be in this grouping. ^^ The fact that it isn't too bad just means he's not useless lurky... I'll address it in a sec blah blah i wanna finish this first read dump crap pile. basically balla van jonny town cake looks townish dunno about storr or owb e00e von nyx and odin are lurking/forgettable/haven't posted july looks scummy to me and I literally haven't read anything about poofter in depth to form an opinion because I'm lazy. I'll do that now. | ||
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owb, why do you think that July should be pardoned for the way he's currently playing? On October 31 2013 03:07 onlywonderboy wrote: July - He played a very aggro game last time too so none of his comments seem out of character. He was SK last game, but that didn't stop him from playing in a way that didn't preserve his well being. I want to see how his posts develop but his current comments might not seem as scum as a lot of people are making them out to be The way that you say that, I would actually draw the opposite interpretation- "Because he is playing in a similar manner, and his posts can be seen as scum inherently, if we were to use meta, it means he's likely to be scum" instead of "Because he's playing similarly, and he's scummy, it means people shouldn't worry so much." What do you think of Storr? | ||
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I don't like the way Storr has been posting. He seemed okay yesterday because 'he was being targeted by the only potentially aggressive play by cake for a largely meaningless comment, He dodged my question about Van yesterday when I was sort of suspicious of him[Van], and honestly hasn't said anything of value since then other something along the lines of "well i guess cake might be town", as sentiment began falling off. I also think his telling me not to sheep the July vote was ridiculous and bothered me (even though it was my own misinterpretation), since it was very obviously voting on a nonposter to attempt to illicit some sort of reaction, and telling me to go push something else when he himself had not pushed July at all, in addition to then following up this hard work by not pushing anybody, but only trying to discredit and discourage people from making availability known to the thread, is holy crap this sentence got long. I feel more comfortable voting Storr right now than nyxnyxnyx by a considerable amount, although I'm amenable to a July vote. I definitely think that our candidates for the vote should be drawn from the two of them, plus the lurkers. ##Unvote ##Vote: StorrZerg If anybody has any comments (or just wants to make fun of how wrong I am), lemme know - I've basically composed posts for 30 minutes straight now and nobody's said a word ^^; | ||
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although they totally may not be correct conclusions Understood and largely agreed, owb - which is why my vote isn't currently resting on him, although he's probably objectively the scummiest person. If he continues to play in a combative, noncommittal way, it won't be difficult to properly identify it. If he stops entirely, then that's also not useful - and if he shapes up and becomes a bastion of towniness, then the issues are resolved. Jonny, although I agree that the first 2/3 of poofter's filter is basically meaningless, I think that can be said about more than one person, and the remainder is enough to make me not primarily worried about him at the moment. | ||
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On October 31 2013 14:23 Vonthin wrote: Feel free to ask me any questions will be around for a couple more hours till I have to go to sleep. Sure. Given that every read in your post is a sheep, please explain why we shouldn't lynch you instead. Also, please put your vote on somebody, since you seem to afk for such long periods of time that you might otherwise miss the deadline. | ||
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Also, On October 31 2013 13:50 Balla24 wrote: Just a reminder to everyone, this is majority lynch... we can't all be pushing multiple people. This isn't like the past 2 newbie games. Which is why i'm calling for everyone to please try to be relevant to the cases on hand. If you haven't weighed in on the recent cases or put a vote down, IMHO, you probably should. I'd hate to see a no lynch, and I'm not really interested in seeing last minute scrambles (because I am normally driving at the time that the day will be ending). | ||
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On October 31 2013 14:54 StorrZerg wrote:I would look closer at the people who are going buddy buddy with Obzy, agreeing with what ever he says. I don't really think anybody's done that yet - maybe Von, a little bit, with his read dump - but he's getting quite rightly lambasted for it. Rather, you actually haven't looked closely at anybody, you've merely stated that it would be wise to be wary of the people that are following the confirmed townie, because you yourself are currently that confirmed townie's target blah blah blah. Your recent post didn't actually say anything relevant to the game at hand, even though you're here, and capable of doing so. | ||
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Even your most recent post is purposeless. Okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and take a small stand here and say that we all need to be consolidating on StorrZerg. If I'm wrong, feel free to blame me later. Storr's filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=StorrZerg&view=all Storr's filter in Hogwarts Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=StorrZerg&view=all The primary difference is the fact that in this game, he hasn't produced reads or contributed in meaningful ways at all, while in the other, a quick skim alone of his filter shows him having opinions left and right. In this game, it's deflection, dismissal, threats to lurkers, and random tidbits of mafia game theory wisdom. If you are not voting Storr, I would like a specific reason why. I think that he's pretty definitively the best lynch today. His return to the thread has been incredibly underwhelming, he's made no effort to produce reads, bleh. | ||
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Balla, I don't like a Jonny vote, although he hasn't been looking very good from my brief skimming, and I disagree with his Odin vote. I would be okay with lynching Storr, July, and I guess E00e... they're all playing without contributing much that is actually useful. I don't really feel like voting poofter, though I am interested in asking - On October 31 2013 18:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Storr: I don't know what to think of these two votes because they're done by the confirmed town and my #1/2 town read in Balla. I however totally disagree and feel like storr would be an easy vote to get pushed through because he is frankly the only name I recognize and having seen him play mafia before I respect his game as I'm sure others have done and do before. This seems like if Storr has a couple votes going into the end of tomorrow could be easy for mafia to hop on and get out a good player who has done nothing to show me he is scummy and has made pro town plays thus far in wanting to organize our votes most importantly. E00e: I at first liked what he was saying because he was agreeing with me but looking back at his filter to see why he is getting votes and reading the reasonings I'm seeing he is sheeping in half his posts and the other half are just instant question deflections this reads scummy to me I didn't notice at first cause he was agreeing with me which was something I shouldn't do (write someone off because we have different opinions). I feel like his post count is super low as well and his content not very town beneficial. I don't have much more to go on at this point because he hasn't given me more to read from. I don't really agree that Storr has been pro-town without contributing at all, he's basically only talked about mechanics and 'pro town things' without doing them himself. That said, this weirdness doesn't reconcile me with a poofter lynch today, I'd much prefer one of the other three for being useless in ways and at times that they could easily have been useful. | ||
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unless you were asking why i specifically would say something, and were hoping someone else would say something, in which case - oops! missed the memo ._. | ||
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On November 01 2013 03:08 July617 wrote: Voting for a no vote because day one isn't getting us anything solid at least in my opinion . let someone die and then we can see who mafia is targeting . No lynching is bad today IMO because I'm confirmed town due to my role, so if we don't lynch anyone, scum can just kill me and it doesn't reveal any real information, since I was going to have to be killed eventually. I could understand that viewpoint if you wanted to wait for blues (although I'd disagree with it emphatically), but waiting just to see what mafia does is inherently flawed. Similarly, I'd like to see you forced to put your vote on somebody and take a stance anyways, since you haven't done much of value, yet. | ||
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Jonny, the way that you've said a few times now that lynching Odin is a good move "because at least we're lynching a liability" ... I dislike that quite a bit, I'd much rather lynch a lurker over Odin unless what he is doing is objectively scummy, rather than "He's not here, he's hard to understand, and I don't like him much." | ||
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##Vote: July617 I didn't want you to vote just so you weren't no voting, I wanted you to vote so you'd be forced to have an opinion. Apparently your opinion was "I want a safe place to park my vote that I don't have to take responsibility for, since I know the town is okay with lynching lurkers, and this person doesn't seem to be around to defend himself right now." | ||
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On November 01 2013 06:45 JonnyLaw wrote: As the deadline approaches I still don't see how july is the best lynch target. July's posting with confidence albeit it's not good. If july flips town what have we learned? Absolutely nothing. Even E00e is better because he condemned Odin so harshly. Storr is even better at this point. He's still failing to contribute anything useful. Fuck it, if we need 7th vote I'm doing it but I see no gain of information from July's shitposting. This post makes me want to lynch Jonny a little bit, I'll be honest. July hasn't posted anything useful. If he had, we'd learn something 'after he flips town.' That said, "July's posting with confidence" - wth? E00e being a better lynch because he condemned Jonny's primary scumread? Storr being better because he hasn't changed from before? I don't want to lynch you today, but this post makes you look absolutely awful if July flips town. =l (If he flips scum, you don't exactly look much better for it, though) | ||
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This post is probably the most "scum hunting" he has done all game. I like this post, he has reasons for why he doesn't like Jonnylaw. My issue is he had to be asked directly about this person, and he hasn't actually volunteered reads even though he has been pressured many times to do so. (This is Storr re: July)You haven't really volunteered your own reads even though you've been getting pressured from me to do so | ||
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On November 01 2013 03:18 July617 wrote: He's acting allot like Sagaz did in our last game and Sagaz turned out to be mafia, he's really agro for no apparent reason, attacking nyx mostly in his filter on page 2 and then grasping for straws on page 3 . Suspicious yes, either way... (etc) What are your thoughts on other people? | ||
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On November 01 2013 07:06 Obzy wrote: Oh, also, instantly martyring when a few votes come in isn't really what I would've expected, given how pressure has slipped off of people that have begun actively posting. semi EBWOP; I kinda lost track of my own point here. What I meant to imply is that the fact he still has refused/failed to contribute in a way beneficial to town implies that he doesn't want to help town, and would rather just be somewhat obstructive. I wouldn't expect this from him as a townie- In his previous game, in his QT with BH here, BH recommended that he play as protown as possible as SK, and the conversation seemed to sort of revolve around him trying to act as town doctor. Also in his previous game, he was much more willing to drop reads and hold opinions, where here, he has done nothing of the sort. *shrug* | ||
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On November 01 2013 07:31 July617 wrote: If i am to be lynched then that's one town gone, adding in mafia kill tonight that makes 2 town dead in addition to a possible SK kill which means 3 dead town . Is "useless town" lynching really the best idea ? Hi July. Who do you think is scummiest right now? You're ignoring me. + Show Spoiler + And while that's sort of okay because I plan on lynching you, all the same, if you do happen, by some quirk of fate, to be town - it would be useful if you actually said things instead of incredibly lazy what-if defenses after insta-martyring. | ||
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At this moment, pending a proper reread, I'd rather lynch Jonny over Odin though lol. I sort of think, just a gut reaction, the lynch should be between the two of them tomorrow. (but if I could vig like 9 people I would :l ) Jonny, you attacking balla is absolutely ridiculous. Hopefully this doesn't come back to bite me, but he's easily my strongest townread. I'll go ahead and make a case on you sometime later today (unless I get lazy), if I decide that you're probably town and the case is shitty, then pretend I didn't say this just now. | ||
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On November 01 2013 06:45 JonnyLaw wrote: As the deadline approaches I still don't see how july is the best lynch target. July's posting with confidence albeit it's not good. If july flips town what have we learned? Absolutely nothing. Even E00e is better because he condemned Odin so harshly. Storr is even better at this point. He's still failing to contribute anything useful. Fuck it, if we need 7th vote I'm doing it but I see no gain of information from July's shitposting. On November 01 2013 07:00 JonnyLaw wrote: No, if E00e flips town I feel okay dropping odin as a read. Are you kidding me Obzy? July's said whatever he wants all game not caring what anyone else has said about him. If that's not confidence it's stupidity if he's scum. I believe most players in this game are not stupid. Why would you feel safe dropping odin as a read, when specifically odin is your big read up to this point, appears in almost every one of your posts, and your first quote specifically apparently is fine with killing E00e over July because he attacked your scumread? Your second quote says that you'd let odin go if E00e flipped town..? Makes no sense. Your case on Odin is basically "lol he's bad and didn't read and spammed wow what trash kill him." repeated basically since he argued with you upon entering the thread- and after July flips town, a move that supposedly garnered us no information, you exclaim On November 01 2013 09:29 JonnyLaw wrote: So, what we've leartned from july's lynching. You said we'd learn something and I did. I learned odin's probably not scum but you very well are scum balla. Joined the wagon late, as in your last two games. Try to discredit me. Woo getting interesting. Where did the Odin read go?? Note that he hadn't explained his reading the thread 4 times by this point, but when he does, On November 01 2013 09:47 JonnyLaw wrote: It does make a lot more sense. How do you type so concisely today and no tyesterday? For some reason, Odin is instantly worthy of forgiveness, and Jonny goes 100% hard on Balla, who has been the most townie this entire game, and is an absolutely idiotic target. I guess my post saying that Odin or Jonny and not both being likely scum was sort of thrown out whimsically, edit before posting - I actually didn't say that when looking back, I said I thought the vote should be between the two of them - and I'm not sure that's an opinion necessarily worth putting off - but I would like an explanation from Jonny for some of these abrupt shifts. I haven't really looked into Odin very carefully since yesterday; he had been reading townie enough to me that I didn't feel comfortable voting him, though, and I'm not sure that a reread will change that. | ||
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On November 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote:No one else has brought a case against a player then entire game except "he's not saying a lot." o/ he's a dick, would lynch d2 | ||
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On November 01 2013 13:34 Vanesco wrote: I think that the reason why I would July over Odin lynch is that July didn't really do anything and once a little pressure was put on him he folded and gave up. He would be a really easy player for the mafia to manipulate later on and could end up being a detriment to the town. If Odin is mafia then obviously a lynch on him would have been better, but if he is town, then his loss to town would be much worse than July's since Odin at least seems to have some sort of an opinion (be it that he may put stuff out there very aggressively). I would like to hear more reasons on why you think Odin was the correct lynch for day 1. The way that July was playing, I don't think it could've been reasonably predicted that he was just a bad townie, because when the tells are "he hasn't contributed reads at all, with the single exception of the following": On November 01 2013 03:18 July617 wrote: He's acting allot like Sagaz did in our last game and Sagaz turned out to be mafia, he's really agro for no apparent reason, attacking nyx mostly in his filter on page 2 and then grasping for straws on page 3 . Suspicious yes, either way whoever dies tonight we'll see what they flip whether they be town / mafia / or blue, I honestly feel like we're going in circles here, I'd like to just lynch and be done with it and see what happens day 2. I don't think we're going to get anything more from today, not unless someone screws up and slips . I don't think it's very reasonable to assume that he was naturally going to flip town, as you seem to have known. Similarly, I took issue with the way that you defended him (as referenced in multiple posts that I made), and how you immediately turned on Balla (and myself ^_^ I hate getting yelled at  ) after the mislynch - that, theoretically, was not your fault whatsoever - because we had leveled blame at you. Although a bit of my criticism towards you is just because you're sorta being rude to me, that comes across in tone, not in the actual important parts of my posts lol. - -; I think you're objectively scummy at this point, and would like to see your answer to Van's question - Under the assumption that Odin would flip town, which you seem to have suddenly agreed with immediately after the lynch, why would lynching Odin have been a better move than lynching July?Apologies for getting a little peeved, as an aside ^_^;;; | ||
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So I was feeling a little better about E00e (and then he just posted, right before I started this) - His filter just looks like it's not really doing much, but he isn't being purposelessly obstructive or avoiding conversation, just not saying a lot. Looking forward to seeing him continue chatting with Balla as you guys are doing currently so keep it up lol. I really dunno about Jonny. I think he's scummy, but I'm not sure if he's worth lynching tomorrow over somebody else, since we still have a number of lurkers. I was starting to put together a post pointing at Vonthin, but his filter actually read sort of townie to me, and I could understand where he drew his reads from in this post - particularly with regards to OWB, who I'd also been uncertain of. OWB's behavior did pick up prior to Von's little list of reads, and the rest of his reads at that time (other than Poofter who I've sorta been ignoring for some reason) were about what I also thought at the time, although Jonny has changed since then. I don't like how he's been absent for awhile though, given that I noticed him posting in another thread (which is why I decided to start looking into this game a bit more in the first place xD) Owb doesn't really seem towny or scummy, he just seems absent. I don't really have a solid read on him atm, if his behavior does not pick up over the weekend, he's definitely worth lynching just for being a lurker... but until then, his participation rhythm (as it were) seems legitimate enough. Atm I'm most interested in hearing opinions on Poofter (since I apparently am so darn lazy I can't develop them myself... I seem to do anything but.) | ||
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And anybody that thinks Balla is scum is delusional. Certainly, looking towards poofter, storr, and jonny for tomorrow's lynch is what I would feel most comfortable doing right now. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 15:08 Vanesco wrote: I started writing this when the last post was nyx's on page 36, so I apologize if some things are not relevant anymore. I don't like how you are (nyx) picking at the way that storr has been formatting his opinion. This is the third time he has formatted that way (cake, july, and now you). I and many others have made long posts, does that make us automatically scum? Anyways nyx, we are trying to currently talk about Jonny and you end up jumping on storr at this moment and redirecting. Could you have waited a bit? (rhetorical question) On the topic of Jonny, I really did not like his early game at all. He came out with a weak accusation on me (which was a complete grab at something non-existent and I shot down every point he made). He also tags thepoofter at the very end because my thought process agreed with him on one thing. He then says he likes cakeman's posts but only those that address me or poofter. He then says he will get back to me and poofter in a minute and nothing happens. He then changes the subject on July and E00e. He then says that he is not sold on me but "whatever". That just seems like he doesn't want to push me because many people have commented back on him and he was in the questioning spotlight for a while. He seemed to back of just for the purpose of not being targeted anymore and instead went for 2 lurkers so that he would be safe for a while. Later Jonny says that he is against lynching odin, but is ok with July/E00e/nyx. Most of those were lurkers at the time but why not Odin. He literally posted nothing up till that point but yet you protect him? Makes no sense. He has been heavy on poofter since the get-go without ever giving actual reads on why he thinks poofter is scum. Now that I look at it more closely, poofter has been on cakeman's case and just a few posts ago cakeman said he still doesn't like poofter. I see no reason why Jonny has been so heavy on poofter but now I see that poofter was pretty aggressive on cake so maybe he is trying to deflect off of cake and onto poofter. He makes a post with a "formatting error" and then comes back 30 minutes later that he had JUST caught up when he was in the forums at least 30 min beforehand at least. I just get weird vibes from that. He then goes on Odin and saying that he was spamming when in fact both of them were arguing and spamming. Again later he says he will vote poofter if there will be majority. Afraid to vote and be called out again? Seems like now he just wants to blend in. Later on he agrees that his accusation on my was poor but "at least it got a discussion". Well if it was poor then why were you so hesitant to drop it? Later on he agrees with cakeman, who he has been the player that poofter didn't like early game. He keeps defending cakeman further saying that we only looked at the bad post on the first page. He also says "Odin coming in throwing out names and then voting cakeman who will not be lynched". He seems fairly confident that cakeman won't be lynched. Later on he comes out with this post There are so many wrong things its hard to begin. You were pressuring me is basically your way of saying you tried to jump on me, town jumped on you instead and then you backed off. If you wanted to pressure poofter then do that, not somebody else. That is probably one of the most worst ways to ever pressure someone. If you did not think you could lynch poofter day 1 then why go on him with no reads given so far on him in the game. Seems like your waiting for him to tell you things instead of having your own actual reads. Jonny is also the first one to find that cakeman is listed twice. A strange coincidence to me. After that he keeps wanting an Odin lynch all the way until this very post. The only thing he has said about Odin is about him his lies of how many times he has read the thread. Those are not even really too relevant to the game. It is probably one of the weakest points you can make on Odin being scummy. OVERALL: Jonny is reading super scummy to me. None of his people he has had major reads on which are myself, poofter, and Odin have any good accusations and seem to be reaching. Also it seems like a pattern of Jonny defending cakeman has come up WAY to many times. I would say I think Jonny is a strong scum read for me atm with cakeman as his partner, but I would have to review cakeman's play 1 more time before feeling completely confident in adding him in with Jonny. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 03:18 July617 wrote: He's acting allot like Sagaz did in our last game and Sagaz turned out to be mafia, he's really agro for no apparent reason, attacking nyx mostly in his filter on page 2 and then grasping for straws on page 3 . Suspicious yes, either way whoever dies tonight we'll see what they flip whether they be town / mafia / or blue, I honestly feel like we're going in circles here, I'd like to just lynch and be done with it and see what happens day 2. I don't think we're going to get anything more from today, not unless someone screws up and slips . + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 14:13 Obzy wrote: (Note: this is re: July) - I don't think it's very reasonable to assume that he was naturally going to flip town, as you seem to have known. Similarly, I took issue with the way that you defended him (as referenced in multiple posts that I made), and how you immediately turned on Balla (and myself ^_^ I hate getting yelled at ) after the mislynch - that, theoretically, was not your fault whatsoever - because we had leveled blame at you. Although a bit of my criticism towards you is just because you're sorta being rude to me, that comes across in tone, not in the actual important parts of my posts lol. - -; I think you're objectively scummy at this point, and would like to see your answer to Van's question - Under the assumption that Odin would flip town, which you seem to have suddenly agreed with immediately after the lynch, why would lynching Odin have been a better move than lynching July?He never answered Van's question, I've been pointing at him for a little while now it seems like, he was Van's scumread, and July posted a minicase on him calling him scummy. | ||
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On November 02 2013 10:27 StorrZerg wrote: Yeah, after reading the filter i personally didn't feel anything "blue" about him. He read as a strong town that was actively pushing objectives. I'm not advocating we follow his dieing words exactly, but i think its a great start to how we should look to pressure today. also imo posting a list of the names, and "town" or "scum" "idk" with out any reasons isn't necessarily good thing. it really doesn't help town and its pretty easy to do as mafia, and kind of "slide" with "lists" if you are going to give a list, a sentence or two on each person would really be beneficial Agreed somewhat - but I think the reason people don't like list posts is because it's a way to pretend to contribute without actually giving any meaningful information. I'm confirmed town, Balla has given quite a large amount of information already.. Vonthin's list is a little sketchier. Regarding Van being blue - I assumed that he was due to this post here, where he assumes that there cannot be merely 2 mafia alone - if only one non-T was rolled, we could have just two mafia. Since I'm M, unless he was blue or scum, he couldn't have known that there weren't two mafia. (it was probably just a miscalculation ^^ but I didn't want to draw attention to it in case he was blue slipping.) If Van wasn't a bluesnipe, then I'd naturally conclude that he was acting in a townie manner and/or was on the right track [both of which I currently think are somewhat true, at least.] + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On November 02 2013 11:08 JonnyLaw wrote: @obzy Oh yeah, why do you say that it's scummy for me to want E00e before July? E00e called out odin hard and fast. If he's scum odin isn't. It's simple. Sure I think Odin is scummy but again it's not 100% certain especially on day 1. At least there's easy info to be gained. They were both just clearly superior lynches and you were the deciding factor in getting july lynched. On October 31 2013 21:04 E00e wrote: If only my opinion mattered I would lynch Odin now. A lot of their posts seem so much over the top and look like how I imagine someone very nervous in a real conversation. Also I dont like some of their posts that just distract. This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline Btw I cant help but read Odin's post where every new sentence is a new line like poem and it makes them sound funny in my head. "hard and fast." ?? I don't get it. This feels like a very light accusation. I mean, the very first thing in E00e's filter is calling you out - On October 31 2013 00:58 E00e wrote: I dont agree with JonnyLaw about Vanesco at all. Jonnys' accusations seem forced and I dont feel bad about Vanesco. I agree with the scummy things about cakeman. I wonder why Jonny said that a plan to catch scum should be formed but then did not try to form a plan. I dont like people saying they are town as it is obvious why everyone would say that and nothing is gained from saying it in a written game. Off topic: What is mafia daily and where do I find it? Somehow, this doesn't apply, it's only because of an incredibly weak connection with Odin. Reaching at best. Lazy at worst. Regardless, it's not a good connection, and you've brought it up multiple times; and I think I even answered it already. | ||
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On November 02 2013 11:03 JonnyLaw wrote:@Van's post. His analysis is terrible. If you want to pressure a pair of people it's much easier to link them together and see what the reaction is in order to not create as much of a defensive vibe. Going straight and saying you're scum makes them consider their actions before posting much more than they would otherwise. I don't get how you guys cannot see this. If his analysis is terrible, and he wasn't bluesniped, then why was he killed over me or Balla? Your response to me would be "because you're being a dumbshit and attacking me, a mislynch, derp derp", but why in the world would they kill him over Balla if they didn't think he was blue? Actually that's fucking stupid. They roleblocked Balla and killed Van, even if he was getting bluesniped, they could've just done it the opposite way around, so his analysis clearly had merit. Your statements are outright false. | ||
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One of those scenarios is a lot simpler than the others. Jonny, I apologize for flipping out at you. I do think you're still scummier than not, but I'm not sure how much of my conviction comes from just being upset, and how much comes from careful analysis. Right now, the only reason I'm even having second thoughts is because you've been going around making everybody mad, which shows a serious lack of consideration for personal safety lol. I'm not sure if if would necessarily make sense from a mafia point of view to piss everybody off. + Show Spoiler + Although for me specifically, it might make sense because I turn red like a cartoon character with rage and stop paying attention... though if you were mafia, doing this to get me to OMGUS you immediately and peace out makes no sense either. Balla, calm down ^_^ I don't think Storr was seriously considering lynching you, just trying to point out to Jonny that 'in general, it's not worth speculating about right now.' I haven't seen much from owb/poofter recently.. Sort of is bothering me. | ||
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On November 03 2013 11:08 Balla24 wrote: Jonny/Obzy, I have an interesting question for you guys: If you were mafia who would you be pushing for right now? For me: I would be pushing OWB lightly and then pushing E00 and Storr... (assuming everybody but yourself is town). Why? Because OWB is completely inactive when he said he would be, and E00 and Storr are playing weak towns which I would try to take advantage of. What do you think? Not sure how much I like this question, since it assumes we don't have any teammates/we are the last mafia alive. Who I pushed would be very dependent on things like that, although it's not like I have any idea what I'd do if I was mafia lol. I haven't really thought about things like that before, so... Anyways, I was really expecting more from OWB today. My not paying much attention to him/giving him a small free pass has largely been contingent on proper activity this weekend, and it just didn't happen today. He posted a few times, saying "later, probably" - not good enough. ##Unvote ##Vote: Onlywonderboy Frankly, the fact that he's easy to push doesn't really say a lot to me. I mean, if we wanted to target only people that were sort of #yoloing around, or people that were really difficult to push - aren't big contributors really difficult to push? -_- I just really dislike the question. Sort of similarly, I'd rather not consider nyxnyxnyx as a vote contender today, since he sorta showed up, said his bit, and peaced out. Pretty sure this is a 100% reversal of my previous methodology, but whatever. I never claimed to be good. (Also, I sort of doubt his ridiculous QT mention was a tactic. It looked like such a townslip that yesterday as I was heading to bed, I was worried he was going to be modkilled by this morning.) Secondary individuals I would be okay with lynching are... numerous, now that I've rewritten this a few times. Rather, I'm not interested in lynching Balla, Odin, nyxnyxnyx... not really up for lynching cake or Vonthin either. *Shrugs* E00e, Poofter sorta disappeared I think, :l I've talked about Jonny plenty already, I'd be fine with lynching him, but it'd be good if more objective individuals were to bring a case on him. I've written a lot about him already, you can just use my filter to find some of it - -; I hated the way Storr was playing d1, I'm a little more okay with it so far today, although I haven't invested anywhere near the same amount of time and energy as I did on d1. | ||
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On November 04 2013 06:08 JonnyLaw wrote: I'd rather lynch Von or Poofter as well. Nyx and owb have so little to go on right now. I'm really not buying that nyx is scum. Playing terribly. Sure. I want to know if obzy will vote one of them. I'm not certain we can get 6 votes without him. I'm going to read their filters again before I decide where to place my vote. To be honest I'd vote storr as a last resort as well. He hasn't pushed the town in a direction that helps us much anyway. I'm not really around, but I'll vote to ensure a lynch if we're only one away. I've basically lost confidence in my reads and don't want to throw wrenches into the plot at this point with my guesswork. Going by what I thought on day 1, Storr was my preferred lynch - night 1, jonny was my preferred lynch - day 2, I haven't really had a preferred lynch. Someone inactive seemed preferable. Consider me willing to switch for majority, but I don't personally have a lot to say in the lead up, and there's no reason for me to contribute if I have nothing to say since I happened to roll IC, this is not something that applies to the rest of town, particularly those that haven't been very townie in the first place. ##Unvote Onlywonderboy is basically playing exactly how I would expect from non-contributing scum - make excuses, then show up and drop a vote at the deadline. The problem is that he could also just be incredibly busy town that doesn't want to get modkilled, but at this point, doesn't want to re-read the entire game and start now. I don't know how to tell the difference, but it doesn't look like he's going to be the primary lynch target today anyways, so to reduce an amount of confusion, I'll unvote for the moment. It'll also force me to pay attention and consolidate later. If anybody, for some reason, happens to have any direct questions for me, i'll try to answer haha. | ||
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His voters consist of my town reads and Jonny, and my town reads are apparently comfortable being on the same lynch as Jonny, so so be it. I need to head out for a time, placing this vote for now in case I get into a traffic accident or something ridiculous prevents me from voting. If we decide to lynch owb instead, I am perfectly comfortable with that and if I get back in time and am necessary for a last minute switch, I'd do it. Afk for now. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:00 StorrZerg wrote: but regardless there are still people who have yet to break 4 pages... There is plenty to talk about... E00e, OWB, nyxnyxnyx, cake , Vonthin, OBZY (i know he is the IC so don't even yell at me for putting him on this) Don't really care or want to yell at you for this, just figured I'd comment - I'm posting less and reading more because I don't think my opinions are very good, so I'm trying to read more carefully instead of writing. Doesn't apply to non-IC since most people have to consistently show their towniness, but I lucked out. Such is life. As an aside, the way that you were saying Jonny was a sure nk because it would set you up for lynch would be more believable if July and Van hadn't pointed out Jonny as likely scum, and he wasn't even remotely considered near the second half of day 2 due to the way he began playing. Out of the non-lurkers, you are certainly my preferred candidate to lynch atm; as an aside, saying things like "I don't think anybody [myself excepted] is confirmed town" - while true, technically, it doesn't help at all. If you are mafia, it would be quite bad if there was a reasonably accepted town circle that we could simply lynch outside of, trying to claim that everybody [again, excepting myself] could be the last scum - while true, technically - is just trying to upset the rhythm at the moment. It reminds me a lot of the way that Risen was playing in World Heavyweight Championship, refusing to hold consistent reads that could be directed back at him. Although I may be misremembering, as an observer, it seemed like after each lynch, a full reset of the game occurred [from his perspective]. The fact that you're deciding that a full reset should have had occurred (everybody is scummy) as we head into day 3 perplexes me. Even if you are town, and do happen to be correct, it's still a wrong mindset, in my opinion. | ||
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And when I said [myself excepted] - I was talking about me, not in your voice :x I don't think you ever implied I was scum. Last - "looking at the options, where the options are everyone" might as well just be a full reset. There are better lynches than Balla and Jonny at this point. Yes, if it was 2v1 lylo, it would be worth considering everybody. Right now, I don't really think it is. Probably gone until after work~ | ||
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##Vote: Onlywonderboy I haven't been impressed by him up to this point, some combination of him, Von, and Storr seems most likely, and I don't feel the need to save owb by pushing the other two. I will try to spend a few hours this evening/night digesting the past 20+ pages and giving my thoughts, but I've felt comfortable with the direction things have been going, so I've sat back for a little while now rather than attempting to muddy things up. I don't think my conclusions will be very different than what Balla and Jonny have/had already discussed, but - who knows ^_^;; (Hehe and now that I hit refresh to make sure I'm not missing anything, Balla is mentioning me. Heyo~) | ||
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After reading since the beginning of n1 to current over the past hour and a half or so, I really haven't gotten much of a scum read from Storr and Von. Like, they're scummy... because it makes sense for them to be scum? nyxnyxnyx is too yolo, I don't have much of a scumread on him. Balla has been driving town the entire time, him being scum, I won't even consider unless it was lylo. Cake seems very townie throughout, definitely don't want to kill him. Yeah I dunno. Things feel like they're going a little too smoothly, but frankly, I'd be very surprised to see owb flip town at this point - and if he properly flips scum, Storr and Von look quite a bit better on d2- and they didn't look particularly awful, to me. They're just the only reasonable "other scum". E00e, nyxnyxnyx, and Odin are... possibilities after owb flips scum, I think I'd prefer to look into the three of them rather than Storr/Von if that occurs. Lynching Storr after an owb townflip, though, clears up how we should feel about nyxnyxnyx, and many other people are implicated. As such blah blah bad logic, but I think owb is the best lynch today, however much Storr has been in question throughout. I'm sorta bad so /grains of salt and all and you can tease me after the game, but as of right now, Storr doesn't really seem as bad as I had thought, so I would quietly recommend not lynching him today. (If OWB flips town, we autolynch him, though.) | ||
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In the absence of that, just not saying anything is fine, since you're not going to get out of this lynch. I feel it would be disappointing to yourself afterwards though - assuming a town flip, if you were able to look at your own play and truthfully say: "I was not of (much ^^) use this game, and was mislynched for it." if you're mafia pls disregard the above and die :> and if you're town and the above sounds sorta harsh, sorry :> | ||
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Like, I agree with your conclusion in the post above, Balla, but there will be a way that E00e could have a reason to fake-claim an RB that day. It may not be a good reason, and I don't think it happens, but it's certainly possible. Focusing on Odin and nyxnyxnyx next sounds like the best idea to me, because nyx has opted out of town discussion by tunneling Storr - Storr is likely town due to onlywonderboy interactions - so under this assumption, nyx is incorrect in his tunnel. He hasn't been considered heavily, because the manner of his tunneling wasn't something that I'd reasonably expect a scum player to do. Odin, then, is likely the last scum largely due to process of elimination, everybody else has favorable interactions with flipped players, or has demonstrated a solid, pro-town mindset (to a point we would have to be paranoid to really consider them for tomorrow), or is innocent child. ^^ I'd rather focus on those two rather than include E00e in those assumptions, unless we wanted to include Balla for the same reason - pure paranoia directed towards the roleblock targets. (Paranoia can wait until we see something like two night kills, or until we reach a 3 person LYLO. Then, all bets are off, and everything should be considered feasible lol.) hope that all makes sense  | ||
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If you are town though, yeah, please post as much as possible. ^_^; Same reasoning as was with OWB. On November 07 2013 03:52 Obzy wrote: Well, rather than not say anything, under the quite reasonable assumption that you are going to get lynched today basically no matter what, what are your opinions on the people that have pushed you? Have they pushed you in a townie or scummy way? If your goal is only to survive and nothing else, you are likely doomed no matter what. As far as general reads, admittedly, it's probably difficult to come up with anything original at this point. If you have any specific avenues to go down, though, if you flipped town, they'd likely be considered. You haven't really helped town much this game which is why you're going to be lynched today; honestly, I quite doubt that a burst of activity would save you. IMO, the only thing you can do to help town win is to actually sit down and invest some time playing the game; rather than trying to engage people in conversation, do some reading and writing. In the absence of that, just not saying anything is fine, since you're not going to get out of this lynch. I feel it would be disappointing to yourself afterwards though - assuming a town flip, if you were able to look at your own play and truthfully say: "I was not of (much ^^) use this game, and was mislynched for it." if you're mafia pls disregard the above and die :> and if you're town and the above sounds sorta harsh, sorry :> The above doesn't entirely apply, but i don't really wanna rephrase the intent behind it lol | ||
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On November 08 2013 12:50 Umasi wrote: post game analysis by the amazing umasi (who hardly read the game and was totally wrong) obzy is lazy (or busy) balla is a baller johnny was kind of rude and then was less rude qed that's only your analysis because that's what i told you All in all, this game felt a lot like my first newbie (in retrospect) - very townie people were active with discussion, quieter people were open with reads and thought process, and scum didn't have control of the atmosphere, as Hapa already mentioned. Sorry for raging at you a bit Jonny ^^ I hate getting flamed, even though you were right about Odin lol :x It made me take a break for a few days, but in that time the game basically got solved so - all's well that ends well? :l Although I think all of us played acceptably - special shoutout to Balla; who was so active that I was sort of paranoid. If we had gotten to lylo and for some reason you and I had been left alive, I almost certainly would've snap voted you out of sheer "There's no way mafia lets him get to lylo. None." Very well played as a town leader imo ^^ | ||
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