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On October 31 2013 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote: Calling out French people, thats very pro town. Nah. That ain't true. If anything the French are 3p survivors of the world who just go with whoever is winning. | ||
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On October 31 2013 09:31 hzflank wrote: Stutters posting when he does not have to is a town Stutters. Isn't it a tad bit early to suggest I'm town off one joke post less than an hour into the game? Also have we played where I'm scum? I'd say I did quite a bit of posting in Basterd that was extraneous. Titanic, town imploded so I was legit lurking, and then whatever my third game was I was legitimately busy. Why so srs? | ||
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On October 31 2013 10:45 Grackaroni wrote: Let's kill the Oatsmaster. ##Vote: Oatsmaster Why not lynch you? | ||
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On October 31 2013 11:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeahhhhh sick pressure vote Grack. Lets kill the Oatsmaster ##vote OATSMASTER Lets not smurf hunt because there is literally no point. I might be drunk, but I do not like this post and would be ok with lynching him.currently. Or Grack, both their posts come off weird. More so Grack, but I'd lynch either. | ||
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On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote: As a conversation starter. Up until that point only little blue men were being discussed and I am unable to partake in that discussion to to my unfamiliarity with big green or red men. Obviously I did not think that Stutters' post gave a clue to his alignment, but I may not of conveyed the tone correctly. Due to Stutters reply. As you begin to read his post he appears to care about what I said, then when you get to the end I realised that he does not care. There was no reason to continue that line of conversation with him and I had nothing that I wanted to post, so I decided to spare the poor tl.net servers the effort of adding another one of my posts for a short while. But my post gave you something to post about and in turn gave me something to post about. Now I can wonder why you commented on my post twice even though that you thought my post had no purpose. You might be mafia looking for something to post about, but obviously this early in the game there is no real need for that. You may be town attempting to move a conversation forward. Or perhaps you genuinely thought I had a clue as to Stutter's alignment two hours into the game when only five people had posted, and felt the need to call me out on that. Either of those possibilities fit in with your second post. The (rhetorical) question is: did you post that for the sake of posting something? Or did you post that hoping that I would reply directly to you? Or did you post that because when you were reading the thread for the first time you were already looking for scum, and my post was the only thing so far that looked like it might be scum? I have no flipping idea, but less than five hours into the game and when I am tired, that's the best that I can do at the moment. Oh, you wanted me to be less serious? Oops  I really want to lynch you when I wake up... This is the most over-explanatory and unnecessary defense I've ever seen. Feeling defensive cause you're scum? | ||
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On October 31 2013 14:05 Oatsmaster wrote: I liked it too. Its not really defense, more like a running commentary. Stutters, are you gonna call anyone town? A running commentary doesn't make it town commentary. In what ways does his post even attempt to help town? Each section of his post starts out ok, but he keeps bringing it back to how it's early, it's the best he can do, etc. That's obvious when it's only a few hours into d1 and implies he's guilty about something and I don't like it. I'll call someone town when someone gives me a reason to. Why don't you give me a reason?  | ||
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Being for or against a RNG lynch is completely null.It's a dumb decision, but town makes dumb decisions often. Also depending on his history in d1, it's completely possible that his d1 votes fall well under 31%. | ||
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On October 31 2013 22:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Not every post has to 'help' town. How does you saying you want to lynch me and Grack help town? It doesnt. Are you scum? Generates discussion in the early hours of the game. There is also a huge difference between early game banter and a calculated defensive post. | ||
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On November 01 2013 01:13 Grackaroni wrote: Because it can't be influenced by scum giving us good odds. That is the reason why statistically day 1 RNG lynches come out more successful than analysis. This is terrible reasoning. The odds of lynching a scum from the hardcore(1-5 posts max, with a vote to stay alive and no contribution has the exact same odds as picking someone at random but provides an added benefit in the form of reducing the room scum has to hide in the inactives. | ||
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On November 01 2013 04:49 Asinine wrote: Having just caught up to the thread, I see no reason not to vote hzflank. He continues to sidestep accusations and fails to provide any answers to my questions. ##vote: hzflank I would say he answered your questions decently. What else were you looking for in that regard? | ||
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On November 01 2013 21:02 Laughing Jack wrote: I picked him because his flip would generate most information and discussion. I'm interested why you have a green read on him. Is hz scum or not and why? You can't just say he'll give the most info. We're not lynching Oats today. If he's scum, he won't last to endgame and there are way better d1 lynches. | ||
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I'm actually starting to doubt my HZ read. His point on Fuba is pretty good and I really need to see what Fuba does when he's back. I'm not 100% against an Hz lynch still because he picked such an easy thing to point out. I noticed it but didn't think much of it and he's still lacking quite a bit in regards to scum-hunting. I'd like to hear more out of Mig. His point against Hz is interesting (worried about offending) but nothing even close to conclusive and the timing is what concerns me most. He comes in to say that, then bounce rather than interact with anyone still in the thread. A really easy way to contribute d1 and avoid suspicion when people are doing even less. | ||
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On November 01 2013 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna know who you would kill NOW stutters. Right now, without info from any of the people I mentioned above, a lurker or LA. I get the feeling LA is capable of much more and his posting has been bad. If we don't get more posting gong, we won't make it to endgame so weeding out a lurker before it's too late if we don't have a comfortable lynch is probably the next best thing to just take the coinflip. | ||
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Fuba usually is a low post, high analysis player. That analysis is non-existent in his vote on Hz. If memory serves he usually has no problem saying he doesn't know until he is certain someone is scum. I'm at work, phone posting, so I can't check past games. This does remind me far too much of Basterd Mini where he struggled to push anyone (as scum) who wasn't actually scum because he struggles finding reasons. Consequently, he lurked a lot d1 until he had stuff to weigh in on during massive posts. The only reason I'm not pushing him 100% right now is if he is really busy he wouldn't have a lot of time and I can't remember any games off the top of my head on how he played in one where he was limited on time. Anyone experienced with him want to weigh in on that? | ||
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On November 02 2013 02:38 Mig wrote: err he has 7 pages worth of posts in ##mafia since this game started. In that time frame he has 8 posts here with all but one of them being one liners. That is null imo. Probably overwhelmed and I don't know his disposition on playing scum really. If it was like Palmar/BH I would immediately lynch them, but with him he's lurked as town and scum and been active as both I believe. Did you read my post on Fuba? I've never played with you and would love your thoughts on it to get a feel for you. | ||
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On November 02 2013 03:17 Mig wrote: I have to leave for a couple hours but from scanning through basterd and persona, I definitely find mkfuba suspect. In neither game did he vote as quickly as he did here but in persona he had pretty solid logical analysis, which he is definitely lacking here. His reasoning concerning the rng and hz is pointless and shouldn't lead him to feel one way or another about hz. I would really like to see fuba post again before the deadline. Right now I am ok lynching hz or fuba. This guy gets it. | ||
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On November 02 2013 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: It's not really the same. If he is scum he should have a team going "c'mon Pandain start playing the game or we will lose."There's more of an obligation for mafia to not let down your team. I don't see him going, "nah. You guys are on your own." Or he prioritized a game in progress over a game that just started, that by any metric, is moving very slowly. There is plenty of time for him to come back d2 and do something. Imagine that ## wasn't on TL. Would you still think he was town? People lurk as scum all the time for various reasons that would make sense while he's in another game. That isn't a good reason to think he's town. As it stands he shouldn't be anything more than a d1 lurker lynch. | ||
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Fuba for what I said earlier and Hz because although he found a reason for pushing Fuba in that one post, it was a fairly weak analysis and since then hasn't tried to sway people to him and is really passive about it and more concerned with his own image. Hz I'm phone posting, do you happen to remember any games we've played together in? I know we have but I can't think of any off the top of my head. | ||
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Thanks. I haven't read a scum game of yours so this might be off so please feel free to explain, but in Titanic you were very active and pushing people you thought were scum d1. The only similar thing I see about your play here is that you were defensivein Titanic as well. Why haven't you been pushing and asking questions this game? Also, what is your most recent scum game? | ||
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##vote: Hzflank | ||
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##vote: Mkfuba07 I really didn't want to do this because I like the points against Hz and Fuba will be easy to read as it goes on, but I'll give this a shot. | ||
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On November 02 2013 09:26 Pandain wrote: Can you explain this this is such a sketchy post. Or you could read my previous posts that explained my thought process and why I was saying I wanted to lynch between the two of them for the past forty eight hours while you were afk. | ||
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Asinine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20103824 How he attacks Hz's posts on me don't sit right. Using the wording isn't a good reason to attack him. Next, his defense of Fuba. He completely ignores what is the most damning(the meta read) part of the case on a 2 post lurker and uses general arguments against lynching him (too many people too quickly, no one had points except initial case). Followed by saying Hz was cherrypicking points as a reason to lynch him when he's doing the exact same thing. I'm a bit iffy on saying that's a scum tell since town does tend to tunnel harder than scum, but I can see a scum doing this, so if everything else adds up I wanted to point this out. Now, what I consider most compelling as a reason to lynch him stems from his desire to lynch me after my vote switch. His first reason isn't true, but I consider that actually very slightly town (on 1-10 scum-town a 6) in a vacuum. It gives a kind of genuine feel of excitement that he "caught"scum, without thinking it through like scum would be more likely to do. I think it's scummy because it isn't isolated and part of a larger trend of not reading the thread. If he had been reading the thread he would see me struggling to decide between Hz and Fuba leading up to the lynch and the vote wasn't an isolated deal. Coupled with ignoring the meta read on Fuba it really comes off as him ignoring the thread in favor of posting with the flow of current events to appear town. Then although his case on LJ is decent, his one on poofter is very poor. Also where is his case on me? From wanting me to be lynched, I've certainly dropped off his radar completely, which is weird when I should have been one of the first people he looked at n1. I plan on doing more, but I'm going into work, so when I get some downtime I'll be back. Right now I'm completely fine with lynching asinine. | ||
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On November 04 2013 23:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: And then these posts: I mean, let's just assume that he was right with that fist post about the stutters vote being extraneous. Well why would he have said that an extraneous vote on a townie is suspicious? That makes sense. Hammering a mislynch is generally less bad than putting a throw away vote on a mislynch which is what he was implying I was doing. | ||
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On November 05 2013 01:17 Mig wrote: So do you plan on voting for asinine stutters? Odin who are you going to vote for? Currently, yes. However I'm waiting for work to slow down so I can read over other filters with some in depth analysis. I find it very unlikely that there is a town explanation for his actions as a whole unless there is something I missed. | ||
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Why did you not comment on the meta portion of the case on Fuba? Why was I one of your two mentioned people to check into after the lynch, yet you never actually checked into me? | ||
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##vote: Asinine | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:22 Hopeless1der wrote: your play was decent stutters. The only thing that gave me reservations about you was that you had a hard time committing to hzflank or mkfuba Day 1. In all honesty, who did you think was scummier? If I had to decide for myself, it'd be fuba but you didnt really show that because you kind of just ended up sheeping town sentiment to finalize your vote. Aside from that, I think it comes down to having more time to play for you. Honestly, I couldn't make up my mind. I thought Fuba's post was scummier than Hz's overall play, but I was thinking they both were quite possibly scum. Coupled with the fact that I felt confident figuring out Fuba's alignment if he started posting more, I felt the risk associated with a potential mislynch was higher. I ended up going for Fuba mostly as a policy lynch, but I honestly would have been fine with either flip. I will say it was also very weird that both my targets d1 were up for lynch. Usually I have a fringe candidate and end up consolidating based on others peoples cases but in this case it was really hard for me to discern what all was confirmation bias from my end on Hz because other people agreed and even people who didn't weren't really pointing out the flaws in my logic as much as arguing that Fuba was just a better lynch. | ||
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