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Hopeless1der
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On November 04 2013 02:55 Pandain wrote: Hopeless come and post Postgame discussions don't require analysis. Im also on my phone keeping up to date since I replaced but I still haven't read this thread past page 7 (but I'm up to date since my first and previously only post to this playerslot that you managed to equate to a scum read, like are you kidding me?) I told you I'll catch up for this evening. Deal with it. | ||
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Hopeless1der
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##Vote Asinine | ||
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I am almost unaware of bereft being in the game tbh. I'll reread that filter first when I get to my computer. There are a multitude of reasons to choose from for why to lynch asinine. Pandain basically said we have no choice but to Lynch him and I agree with that statement. | ||
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Asinine on the other hand demonstrated he had at least some time, was up to date and following the thread, and was supposedly making reads of all the players he found scummy. I don't like his analyses but I'll get to that tomorrow if/when town needs further convincing to lynch Asinine. I've just opened bereft's filter, going to read through and gather what context I can, so it wont be an instant "oh its only 2 pages" read. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:41 Mig wrote: Hopeless you have no problem with bereft voting pandain for "pressure" then disappearing while there was a contested lynch between a mafia and town? its obviously less than ideal, and when you consider the lack of perceived resistance to fuba's lynch I can now understand why people have jumped to the conclusion that the remaining scum are in the /afk's. However, I don't think bereft was around or she'd have managed to get her vote onto a meaningful candidate. The apathy for the lynch to me suggests a townie mindset of not knowing who to vote and just parking it on the RNG, then not having time to play for the remainder of the day. She's now hiding behind the grackapack's supreme wisdom, but they're almost confirmed town. I know I just sheeped the Innocent Child in Hogwarts for a good deal of the game, so I can see it happening. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:54 Mig wrote: I see, would you have said the same thing about oat's vote on pandain? Any reservations about Oats targeting asinine before he died? you mean this vote: On November 01 2013 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Talk to me about Pandain Grack. ##vote Pandain His vote on me and him not commentating on anything else is bad and scummy. ? Because that's not herpderp RNG k I'm /afk now -> Thats faking a scumread via OMGUS. Granted, I'm channeling some Captain Hindsight in that assessment, but Oats' vote is not even remotely similar to Bereft's, As to Oats "targetting" Asinine, he was throwing names out like they were going out of style. Then he died. At that point, its WIFOM and I consider Asinine's filter to be a far more compelling reason to lynch him than any lingering doubts from Oats' filter. I understand that Oats specifically said "lynch Asinine tomorrow" but he had zero presence with which to push that lynch. Based on my scumread on Asinine, I conclude they were trying to go for a counterbus so one of them walked away with towncred. | ||
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For Asinine's scumbuddy, I'd believe stutters most easily right now, but pooft and odin could fit. I have varying degrees of townreads on the rest of the players. | ||
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On November 05 2013 02:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think it's very likely that you're his teammate. Everyone go look @ migs filter. Specifically night 1. He's totally anti-asinine throughout the whole night. Then after Oats flips and the mafia are a lynch away from losing, his attitude towards asinine totally changes and he starts looking for any reason not to lynch him. All the more reason to lynch Asinine. Dont fight it guys, it'll be okay. | ||
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On November 05 2013 02:56 Asinine wrote: This is clearly a matter of opinion on your part. My reads haven't been useless or shallow. If I recall, you too thought hzflank was scum on Day 1. Is it not hypocritical of you to vote someone who has agreed with you for the majority of the game? I've already explained my lack of activity. What is with these questions? Are you trying to antagonize me? These questions serve no purpose. Of course I won't think my reads are useless or shallow. That is a presumptuous bait. On November 05 2013 02:45 Asinine wrote: I'll try to be more active but today is quite a busy day. If I survive the lynch, I'll be extremely active tomorrow. Just filter me and follow Pandain to victory. Two of tehpoofter/bereft/laughingjack are scum. I don't know which ones, but I'm going to defer to Pandain's judgement here. ##vote: Bereft On November 05 2013 02:47 Asinine wrote: Outside of that previous circle I mentioned, I could see JJD/Stutters/Odin/Hopeless possibly being scum. Let us review. The Player list for this game: Red = known scum Green = known/almost confirmed town Bold = people Asinine thinks could be scum Blue = people Asinine does not consider for possible scum
So once more for those that don't feel like counting, Asinine has rattled off 7/14 players for scum where 3 are already dead, 1 is almost confirmed town, 1 is himself and 1 is the guy he's currently attempting to curry favor with. That gives him a pool of 8 players to identify the scum from. He's fingered 87% of the player base as "possible scum". Explain to me again how your reads are meaningful and fleshed out, because I dont see it Asinine. You do not deserve to live in this game any longer. | ||
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On November 05 2013 03:12 Laughing Jack wrote: And since it's impossible to tell the alignment of a person who doesn't care we're going to lynch you and if you flip town we'll curse our misfortune for having an imbecile like you on the team. We can afford to take that risk. Pandain take note. This is the correct play at this point in the game. If you disagree, I hereby name you scum. | ||
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On November 05 2013 03:16 Grackaroni wrote: Hopeless, you said earlier that Stutters could be a possible teammate for Asinine. Do you really think that's likely considering his interactions with the flipped scum? I remember in Hogwarts you narrowed in on all of the our house's interactions with Pandain and determined that Holyflare was the hufflescum. I didnt really use Pandain as an anchor to compare filters against that game, HF was the scummiest looking of our house based on actual content and actions in the game. Quite frankly, Asinine looks like scum and I think we are in the situation that Mig has described where scum is banking on Asinine looking so scummy that doubt seeps into our minds wondering why isnt anyone trying to contest his lynch and we just agree to lynch elsewhere. I don't know who his scumbuddy is, and it does not matter. I don't need to lynch his partner to win. However, I do need to lynch Asinine so that this game can move forward. If he manages to flip town, we are still ridiculously better off without him. He is like the embodiment of scum right now. He's cancerous and prohibitive to any constructive discussion while he is around.. Remove him. | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:44 Pandain wrote: The worst part is I'm still not sure how to feel about if I was put in the same situation. Asinine not giving his ID was the final straw because it served no purpose as town, but before then it was far from clear. It turns out I was right about the other scum-read, but I was always re-reading other filters and I wasn't actually ever sure. Problem was I thought both of you were scum but I was so focused on finding a scum-team connection because you guys were forced into defending each other, or so I thought. I could never just give up control like you guys did. in a normal game, this mentality makes sense, but with the White-Flag mechanic, they had no other choice. Marv mentions it in his endgame writeup. It was like 8v1 in terms of getting pressure away from Asinine. No one made sense for Asinine's teammate. However, Asinine made no sense as town so...keep it simple. | ||
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I will concede that oats looked terrible (imo) by the end of it, but if you hadn't been a vig, your play was disruptive and left town wondering wtf is gong on. | ||
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