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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 31 2013 23:50 GMT
#194
##Unvote: Pandain
##Vote: Oatsmaster


Get em boys! Original plan was good.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
October 31 2013 23:58 GMT
#197
Less of these long posts explaining your previous actions and more thoughts on who is scum please, hzflank. The best defense is a good offense. Who do you want to lynch?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 00:15 GMT
#202
On November 01 2013 09:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 08:41 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like that vote from JJD. He seems to want to vote Hzflank because other people also think he is scummy, caring more about the appearance of the vote more than voting for scum, as well as incidental totally useless stuff like
And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.


On November 01 2013 01:58 mkfuba07 wrote:
On November 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like that vote from JJD. He seems to want to vote Hzflank because other people also think he is scummy, caring more about the appearance of the vote more than voting for scum, as well as incidental totally useless stuff like
And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.


Would scum, knowingly voting for someone to look good, openly state that they're placing the vote because many others appear willing to do so?

Oats should know better. JJD's posting doesn't look like scum. he comes off as a bit anti-town but he hasn't been very careful at all.

That post looks exactly like noob scum or noob town. You think everyone plays scum perfectly? Nope.

Also JJD unvoted. Hmm. I need to think about this one.

the players doing blatantly scummy things day 1 are almost never scum. He also should be having more trouble coming back into the thread and responding if he was an overwhelmed newbie like you suggest. I can only think of one player that did something like this that flipped scum and it was his first game. It's very easy for scum to appear pro-town on day1.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 00:15 GMT
#203
overwhelmed newbie scum that is.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 00:18 GMT
#205
Scum are careful and more concerned about looking good. They pretty much never say, "Hey, I'm going to lynch this guy because other people are lynching him"
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 00:28 GMT
#207
On November 01 2013 09:21 Mig wrote:
Not a fan of hzflank

When you were first questioned about your post involving stutters you could have answered it in 4 words.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
On October 31 2013 12:05 Asinine wrote:
Why label Stutters as town


As a conversation starter.


Instead you rambled for 4 paragraphs about nothing. In general scum are more likely to have these knee jerk overreactions than a townie who knows he is innocent. None of your later posts have made me feel any better about you.

Not a fan of this quote either. Town are generally less concerned with whether or not they offend others with their posts.

Show nested quote +

I should also say that it was not meant offensively (towards Stutters) as I am not sure now as to whether I offended him.


Oats can you explain more about why you liked hzflank's rambling post also if you had to vote right now who would you vote for and why?



Judging from the last sentence in that post I got more of an impression that he is messing with us than it being a knee jerk overreaction.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 00:37 GMT
#209
On November 01 2013 09:28 Mig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Scum are careful and more concerned about looking good. They pretty much never say, "Hey, I'm going to lynch this guy because other people are lynching him"


I don't agree with this when talking about new scum players. It is pretty normal for a new scum player to jump on an easy bandwagon and use that as their reasoning. That being said new townies do the same thing and I am more leaning new townie on JJ.

Grack what do you think about hzflank? ?


I'm not sure yet. I liked his first defense because I think he has a bit of an attitude (Saracasm/messing around with us) that gave him some negative attention. I really don't buy that he got really nervous over that accusation and wrote out a long defense because he is scum.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 00:38 GMT
#210
I'm not liking him for a day 1 lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 00:50 GMT
#211
Odin, I see you've been posting in the newbie for a long time. Play this game please.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 00:56 GMT
#214
On November 01 2013 09:51 Mig wrote:
What do you think makes Oat a better candidate for lynch? Any other reasons than him not liking JJ?

-Tehpoofter who do you think is scum? You have several useless posts and one saying you had no reads. We are over half way through the day you should have some suspicions at this point.

Just from playing with Oatsmaster I think it's more likely he's scum jumping on lynch bait than town and believing JJ is scum. Oats can be nutty but he's actually pretty good.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 01:06 GMT
#215
On September 16 2013 17:27 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 17:14 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 16 2013 17:09 Koshi wrote:
@grack.

I have played a shitton with Oats lately. Nuclear Winter Mafia, Titanic, Persona, Aperture and now this game.

What do you want to know?

Just what you think his alignment this game is and how you can tell. Every game I see someone talking about how Oats is the easiest player to read and I have absolutely no idea how to read him.

They told me this:
If Oats is agressive and in your face he is town.
If Oats is passive and shifty he is scum.

He was pretty passive and evasive in NWM in which he was scum with me. Not the biggest help to the scumteam.


Are there examples that you need to have to form an opinion about him? What bothers you about him this game?

Listen to the Koshi. THE KOSHI!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 01:32 GMT
#217
On November 01 2013 10:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Passive and shifty. Yeahhh best attributes ever.

Ok so Mig, Hzflank seemed really confident about his position with that long rambling post. Im pretty sure that ive played in a game with hzflank as scum and I dont remember him being so jovial and posting long bits of shit that dont really need to be there. Hm. ok so scum post a lot of stuff cause they are nervous, town post a lot of stuff cause they are confident. Is there a difference? yes, and I feel that hzflank is confident.

I wanna lynch JJD or Grack now. Grack's instant defence of JJD is weird because apparently he doesnt have that innate suspicion of people and is calling JJD town for something that is pretty objectively scummy. Basing his vote on someone other people think is scum. Ive seen someone on mafiascum do it. And he was scum. And I didnt lynch him cause I thought he was noob town.

You said it was noob town or noob scum for JJD. Noob scum would not be posting as persistently under these circumstances. JJD looks very confident as well, Oatsmaster. I don't understand the point against me.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 01:35 GMT
#219
On November 01 2013 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are too sure that JJD is town.

Foolishness!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 01:40 GMT
#222
On November 01 2013 10:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
All JJD has basically talked about is Random lynching. Which anyone, scum or town can talk confidently about because its unlikely to be implemented anyway. So its just empty words.

JJD actually confidently pushes hzflank and reconsiders his opinion later. When people question why he would rather vote people other people are also voting for he sticks up for his opinion. hzflank mostly just posts a bunch of fluff in a confident manner.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 01:40 GMT
#223
On November 01 2013 10:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol ok, who do you think is scum Grack?

My 2nd favorite master. Kush gets first dibs on my love.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 01:55 GMT
#225
On November 01 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
He reconsiders his opinion because he got shit on it.

Mkfuba supported what he said...
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 02:14 GMT
#227
I think we are talking about 2 different things. I am talking about this exchange:
On November 01 2013 03:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 02:37 hzflank wrote:
On November 01 2013 02:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
On October 31 2013 12:37 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2013 12:24 Bereft wrote:
grack, if you really wanted to throw weight behind that vote, why not at least RNG it? instead of picking your favorite singaporean, that is. which has tons of favoritism bias. since we have extra mafia this game, RNG gives us a 31% chance of hitting scum, instead of the typical ~25%. we're all reasonable and rational people here, logic appeals to us [i'd hope].
On October 31 2013 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 31 2013 12:10 Asinine wrote:
On October 31 2013 12:07 Pandain wrote:
On October 31 2013 11:53 Asinine wrote:
Hello comrades. I will be doing an ASA (Ask Smurf Anything) today. It starts now. I cannot guarantee that I will answer any questions that seem to be fishing for my real TL account.


What is Qatar like?

Another thought elicits it's
familiars
Crowding their weight into the
chamber
Of my weary, doleful mind

What right does he possess
To exhaust my idle time
By way of his enslaving image.

I have come to the conclusion that this man is Palmar.
There will be no further questions!

no, i want to ask a question -- why does pandain only get to ask one.
asinine, what's your reason for smurfing? i can think of only 2 reasons. which one is yours:
[a] you have a reputation known throughout the land of being an excellent scum hunter, and you don't want to die night 1.
you believe your meta is so obvious people would be able to read your play day 1.
[c] other (please expand)

Those are some pretty good odds. I'm not against RNG if people are up for it.


I would think my chances of actually identifying scum on day one are less than 31%, therefore RNG would yield better results for me. Ofcourse, We would need to decide on who rolls the dice. How should we do that? I suggest we vote on it.
How could anyone read this post and not think you were for random lynching?


Because the whole point of that was that I did not like the idea of random lynching because I was worried that scum might control the random.
This is exactly my point. You pretend like you're ok w/ random lynching when you are clearly concerned about it. First you say that you're worried about who gets to choose the random person. Then when it's pointed out to you that there is indeed a way for a random selection to be chosen, you change your stance to: If we lynch randomly then we wont get any discussion.

If that was your stance then what was the point of suggesting that we vote for someone to pick the random person?


On November 01 2013 04:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 04:08 hzflank wrote:
On November 01 2013 03:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:
If that was your stance then what was the point of suggesting that we vote for someone to pick the random person?


I suggested that we vote for someone so that we do not have to vote for someone. That is not a serious suggestion, that is me saying that I want to vote and not rng.
OK, you're saying that you were being sarcastic in that post as well as the following one. Didn't understand that's what you were saying. If that's the case then it didn't come across that way to me at all but I can definately see it that way now.

Since that was the bulk of my case:

##unvote hzflank

It's true that he was attacked for his confusing RNG logic where he said hzflank was scum for pretending to be unafraid of random lynches, but when he brought this point up the only thing that happened between the change of mind was mkfuba agreeing with it.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 02:40 GMT
#231
On November 01 2013 11:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thoughts on Mig Grack?

I don't have a strong feel either way yet.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 02:42 GMT
#233
On November 01 2013 11:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 11:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 01 2013 11:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thoughts on Mig Grack?

I don't have a strong feel either way yet.

nub.

You think he's a scummer?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 01 2013 02:58 GMT
#237
I was talking with Pandain pre-game and he said he wasn't going to be too active so I'm not all that surprised.
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