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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 17:56 GMT
#399
Explain your read on Grack please Panda.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 18:25 GMT
#405
On November 02 2013 03:17 Mig wrote:
I have to leave for a couple hours but from scanning through basterd and persona, I definitely find mkfuba suspect. In neither game did he vote as quickly as he did here but in persona he had pretty solid logical analysis, which he is definitely lacking here. His reasoning concerning the rng and hz is pointless and shouldn't lead him to feel one way or another about hz.

I would really like to see fuba post again before the deadline.

Right now I am ok lynching hz or fuba.

This guy gets it.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 18:53 GMT
#410
No offense to oats, but you are severely overrating him. For every great play you can think of, I can find one that makes you go WTF. Off the top of my head, I believe Titanic is a good example of that, but I'm not 100% on that game. If you want a good example of his scum play and how to find it, check the 2013 awards thread for whichever large game got nominated for best town circle. He was caught essentially on d2, but the whole scum team was lynched by d5. The metric I remember was a tunneling, hard headed oats is a town one, but I'm terrible at reading him. Regardless as I said before he is easily caught as the game goes on and as such is not a good d1 lynch. I'll put some work into checking that out probably on Monday since I have a busy weekend ahead.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 20:18 GMT
#420
On November 02 2013 04:46 Grackaroni wrote:
It's not really the same. If he is scum he should have a team going "c'mon Pandain start playing the game or we will lose."There's more of an obligation for mafia to not let down your team. I don't see him going, "nah. You guys are on your own."

Or he prioritized a game in progress over a game that just started, that by any metric, is moving very slowly. There is plenty of time for him to come back d2 and do something.

Imagine that ## wasn't on TL. Would you still think he was town? People lurk as scum all the time for various reasons that would make sense while he's in another game. That isn't a good reason to think he's town.

As it stands he shouldn't be anything more than a d1 lurker lynch.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 20:44 GMT
#426
That said, I think I'd still prefer lynching between Fuba and Hz.

Fuba for what I said earlier and Hz because although he found a reason for pushing Fuba in that one post, it was a fairly weak analysis and since then hasn't tried to sway people to him and is really passive about it and more concerned with his own image.

Hz I'm phone posting, do you happen to remember any games we've played together in? I know we have but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 20:59 GMT
#431
In addition to what Mig asked, you said you're Hz read hasn't changed much. What part of it has changed?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 21:07 GMT
#435
On November 02 2013 05:46 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 05:44 Stutters695 wrote:
Hz I'm phone posting, do you happen to remember any games we've played together in? I know we have but I can't think of any off the top of my head.


Titanic.

Thanks. I haven't read a scum game of yours so this might be off so please feel free to explain, but in Titanic you were very active and pushing people you thought were scum d1. The only similar thing I see about your play here is that you were defensivein Titanic as well.

Why haven't you been pushing and asking questions this game?

Also, what is your most recent scum game?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 22:34 GMT
#467
I'm out to dinner guys, I'll be back in a bit.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 23:26 GMT
#494
I'm back, gonna try to catch up but I skimmed that newbie game and I think Hz's play resembles that over Titanic and I'm willing to take a shot on it.

##vote: Hzflank
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 01 2013 23:47 GMT
#531
##Unvote
##vote: Mkfuba07


I really didn't want to do this because I like the points against Hz and Fuba will be easy to read as it goes on, but I'll give this a shot.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 02 2013 00:43 GMT
#584
On November 02 2013 09:26 Pandain wrote:
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On November 02 2013 08:47 Stutters695 wrote:
##Unvote
##vote: Mkfuba07


I really didn't want to do this because I like the points against Hz and Fuba will be easy to read as it goes on, but I'll give this a shot.


Can you explain this this is such a sketchy post.

Or you could read my previous posts that explained my thought process and why I was saying I wanted to lynch between the two of them for the past forty eight hours while you were afk.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 12:41 GMT
#887
Well I'm finally back. Sorry about that, had probably the busiest weekend of my life. Catching up right now.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 14:12 GMT
#890
Going to give some thoughts as I do individual filters. Phone posting so pardon my formatting.

Asinine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20103824

How he attacks Hz's posts on me don't sit right. Using the wording isn't a good reason to attack him.

Next, his defense of Fuba. He completely ignores what is the most damning(the meta read) part of the case on a 2 post lurker and uses general arguments against lynching him (too many people too quickly, no one had points except initial case).

Followed by saying Hz was cherrypicking points as a reason to lynch him when he's doing the exact same thing. I'm a bit iffy on saying that's a scum tell since town does tend to tunnel harder than scum, but I can see a scum doing this, so if everything else adds up I wanted to point this out.

Now, what I consider most compelling as a reason to lynch him stems from his desire to lynch me after my vote switch.

His first reason isn't true, but I consider that actually very slightly town (on 1-10 scum-town a 6) in a vacuum. It gives a kind of genuine feel of excitement that he "caught"scum, without thinking it through like scum would be more likely to do.

I think it's scummy because it isn't isolated and part of a larger trend of not reading the thread. If he had been reading the thread he would see me struggling to decide between Hz and Fuba leading up to the lynch and the vote wasn't an isolated deal.

Coupled with ignoring the meta read on Fuba it really comes off as him ignoring the thread in favor of posting with the flow of current events to appear town.

Then although his case on LJ is decent, his one on poofter is very poor. Also where is his case on me? From wanting me to be lynched, I've certainly dropped off his radar completely, which is weird when I should have been one of the first people he looked at n1.


I plan on doing more, but I'm going into work, so when I get some downtime I'll be back. Right now I'm completely fine with lynching asinine.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 14:50 GMT
#893
JJD can you link me your most recent scum game when you get a chance? Thanks.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 15:41 GMT
#899
On November 04 2013 23:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And then these posts:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2013 09:09 Asinine wrote:
On November 02 2013 09:06 hzflank wrote:
On November 02 2013 09:03 Asinine wrote:
I want to lynch Stutters tomorrow. I'm putting hzflank on the backburner until we lynch this guy.


You will put the guy who was almost lynched instead of the scum on the backburner, while you lynch the guy who dropped the hammer on the scum?

Check again, Stutter's vote was extraneous and was only placed after it was obvious that fuba would die.

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On November 02 2013 09:12 Asinine wrote:
Oh right, Stutters unvoted as well as voted. Fair enough. I still think he should be looked into, along with tehpoofter,

I mean, let's just assume that he was right with that fist post about the stutters vote being extraneous. Well why would he have said that an extraneous vote on a townie is suspicious?

That makes sense. Hammering a mislynch is generally less bad than putting a throw away vote on a mislynch which is what he was implying I was doing.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 16:47 GMT
#906
On November 05 2013 01:17 Mig wrote:
So do you plan on voting for asinine stutters?

Odin who are you going to vote for?

Currently, yes. However I'm waiting for work to slow down so I can read over other filters with some in depth analysis. I find it very unlikely that there is a town explanation for his actions as a whole unless there is something I missed.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 18:01 GMT
#927
Asinine, what changed between the immediate aftermath of the Fuba lynch and when you disappeared that made me go from (as far as I can tell) one of your top suspects to just I could be scum?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 18:19 GMT
#942
Asinine, when you get a moment can you please look at my giant post on you? Obviate I've assumed quite a bit about your actions, but I would love to hear your thought process behind the things I brought up. Especially:

Why did you not comment on the meta portion of the case on Fuba?

Why was I one of your two mentioned people to check into after the lynch, yet you never actually checked into me?

Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 04 2013 21:34 GMT
#969
Well I've read quite a few filters and I'm having a hard time justifying anyone over asinine.

##vote: Asinine
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 05 2013 04:11 GMT
#1005
Sorry Hz for tunneling you so hardcore. After Hogwarts I wanted to work on my proactive-ness, especially on d1 and in working on it still.
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