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On October 31 2013 03:32 HotCottonCandy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. well I apologize that you don't agree but that's the way I went about it. Instead of my theory tell me what exactly you disagree with because I don't think a pandain/rayn/oats scum team sounds that crazy do you? They are all contributing but at the same time aren't exactly without holes. And to your 2nd question, there is only 3 VTs in this game unless SnB is lying, which would make it only 2. Gonna use logistics here and deduce that a 3 man scum team with a goon here would be a heavily town favored setup.
I doubt that pandain is scum based on the people who have spoken out about his past and a certain level of sincerity which feels pretty okay.
Oats could be scum, his early game looked really good and that is what he does as scum. But I'm not terribly sure of him one way or the other.
Rayn seems much likelier town to me than kush. He was in the thread being not retarded. So even if he is scum he wouldn't be the first for me to kill.
I'm not saying that couldn't be the scum team. It wouldn't be totally out of left field but I wouldn't call it the most likely.
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I feel the same way as Vayne about Pandain.
It's not so much that he's done nothing but he's been irrelevant or afk at strange moments or saying strange things. Like I commented a little earlier about how he said s&b was "objectively" scummy for "reasons already mentioned" (my paraphrase). imo town tend to look past "objectively" whereas it's an easy thing to push as mafia.
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On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh.
That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read.
Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about.
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it's funny in hindsight that me and SnB nuked eachother now that I realize it's a very low to zero chance that either of us are mafia. wasn't thinking straight at that point tbh
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On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about.
yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it.
that's me listening to koshi.
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On October 31 2013 03:36 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:32 HotCottonCandy wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. well I apologize that you don't agree but that's the way I went about it. Instead of my theory tell me what exactly you disagree with because I don't think a pandain/rayn/oats scum team sounds that crazy do you? They are all contributing but at the same time aren't exactly without holes. And to your 2nd question, there is only 3 VTs in this game unless SnB is lying, which would make it only 2. Gonna use logistics here and deduce that a 3 man scum team with a goon here would be a heavily town favored setup. I doubt that pandain is scum based on the people who have spoken out about his past and a certain level of sincerity which feels pretty okay. Oats could be scum, his early game looked really good and that is what he does as scum. But I'm not terribly sure of him one way or the other. Rayn seems much likelier town to me than kush. He was in the thread being not retarded. So even if he is scum he wouldn't be the first for me to kill. I'm not saying that couldn't be the scum team. It wouldn't be totally out of left field but I wouldn't call it the most likely.
well that's the fun in mafia especially in a mini of this calibre barring all the martyring/bad play day 1. The solution will never be the obvious one, or even the second choice.
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On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi.
On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude.
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oh right I forgot about your post WoS. You would be surprised. I played sicilian on the same team as kush and he was the most paranoid guy on the team in the QT. he kept track of all the bad shit that could happen to us and was always the most negative. So i disagree
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On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi.
Okay this is really annoying.. i will now shut up.
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On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude.
You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you?
It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic?
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btw rayn. You are pretty low on figuring out posts as well. Unless you are trying to read people without interacting with them. Look at you and Oats, there is nothing between you 2.
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On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic?
I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post:
Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town.
Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part.
Can you explain?
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On October 31 2013 03:47 Koshi wrote:
btw rayn. You are pretty low on figuring out posts as well. Unless you are trying to read people without interacting with them. Look at you and Oats, there is nothing between you 2.
I thought Oats was town from his posts, especially from what he said about Pandain. It's useless to interact with Oats if i think he is town because it doesn't get me anywhere. I only interact with Oats when i do not think he is town or when i need him to do what i say. Otherwise it's useless.
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On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:26 Promethelax wrote:
Vayne, did you just make semi arbitrary lists and POE each one individually? I seriously can't agree with any of your conclusions based on the way you went about getting them.
Can you go back and read players based on their play and not on gaming the set up. kthx. tbh that's what Vayne does. But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic? I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post: Show nested quote +Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town. Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part. Can you explain?
First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you.
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On October 31 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:47 Koshi wrote:
btw rayn. You are pretty low on figuring out posts as well. Unless you are trying to read people without interacting with them. Look at you and Oats, there is nothing between you 2. I thought Oats was town from his posts, especially from what he said about Pandain. It's useless to interact with Oats if i think he is town because it doesn't get me anywhere. I only interact with Oats when i do not think he is town or when i need him to do what i say. Otherwise it's useless.
Cool that you speak in past tense.
Evul Koshi-nuking Oats.
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On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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tbh that's what Vayne does.
But his reads on PAndain, Koshi and me are so bad. god.. Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic? I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post: Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town. Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part. Can you explain? First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you.
It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled.
I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose.
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On October 31 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:
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Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic? I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post: Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town. Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part. Can you explain? First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you. It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled. I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose.
In fairness I agree the 2nd time was better than your 1st time which was pretty lame.
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On October 31 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:30 marvellosity wrote:
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Don't really agree tbh. Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic? I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post: Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town. Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part. Can you explain? First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you. It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled. I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose.
You didn't say anything uselful. Then you voted for yourself. When people called you out of it you rng'd SnB. Then you said you're off. That's what i saw.
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The problem with rayn is 2-fold.
Firstly, whether we believe that he was convinced that Wave was town. This is one debate. It is possible.
The second, which has been neglected to be mentioned so far, is that if 1) is true, then it took me wanting to lynch someone else for rayn to move. rayn did not initiate the move away from WoS himself. Basically he was happy to lynch WoS until I suggested Clarity. He either believed WoS was town in which case he should try to move the lynch himself rather than wait for me, or he doesn't.
It is very important to note that rayn didn't post for almost a whole hour before this post
On October 30 2013 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm in. At least Wave seems to be giving us something later on.
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So it's not like I jumped in super quickly or something. rayn sat on his vote for almost an hour and then changed when I said lynch Clarity. He didn't take his initiative to do it himself
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On October 31 2013 03:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 03:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 31 2013 03:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Which do you not agree with? i could see Pandain as mafia. i can see you as mafia and what he said about you wasn't incorrect either. the koshi stuff was weakish in that it was too reliant on Pandain, but meh. That, marv, is bullshit about me. Just because you have happened to play with me only in games where i have been scum lately does not make what Vayne say true. He says what you guys want to hear. That's not a read. Listen to Koshi, he actually knows what he is talking about. yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it. that's me listening to koshi. On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'
Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude. You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you? It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic? I'm not saying you are scum, but I am inquiring as to this post: Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town. Would you have changed your mind if I didn't get back the second time? Because as far as I know your vote was still on me before that second period an hour before deadline, so clearly my 'good posts' before that point weren't enough, meaning that it was probably the 'not fucking off' component you took into account--->which was only luck timing-wise on my part. Can you explain? First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you. It wasn't martyring, for the 1000th time. I didn't have a proper scumread and didn't want to throw my vote on anybody at random to avoid getting modkilled. I completely disagree. I feel I attempted to provide just as much the first time I got back as the second; it seems the second time people were just more willing to listen and not all up in a frenzy for whatever reason. Maybe me included I suppose. In fairness I agree the 2nd time was better than your 1st time which was pretty lame.
I'd like to add my voice to this. WoS before an hour before the deadline was a useless asshole.
Rayn, you just bowed out of explaining why you weren't unhappy about the clarity lynch. Explain it. And explain why you wouldn't explain it.
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