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On October 07 2013 21:16 Koshi wrote: rofl. Every self respecting gamer would end up in Slytherin. True story. Bitch please, only the cold-intelligent analytical ones. The self-righteous hotheads end up somewhere else entirely ^^ | ||
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On October 08 2013 12:31 FirmTofu wrote: Hey, Sn0, if it's any consolation, I'll be enforcing spamming pretty strictly this game. I personally struggle with catching up to the thread a lot so I can sympathize with your concerns. Ange and I aim to make the best playing environment possible for all players. I think both you and rayn can play in this game with no issues. Booooooooo | ||
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On October 17 2013 23:31 syllogism wrote: That's a pretty underwhelming entrance, Palmar. I can't even really imagine an answer that could possibly be useful one way or another. That's because you're not thinking. I think it's a pretty legit question. Also, I'd at least see if his answer makes any kind of sense before I try to policy lynch him. | ||
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On October 18 2013 00:51 Pandain wrote: Why a policy lynch? I see no reason to its not like he was checked and then claims miller That would be preferable. I'll explain why the question is important once Mocsta explains exactly WHY he claimed miller. | ||
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On October 18 2013 00:59 yamato77 wrote: Let's not waste today talking about a miller claim, eh? Palmar, do something or we kill you. To me, what mocsta did should be no-questions-asked policy lynchable. But I'm in no rush, let's hear WHY he did it. | ||
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also hopelesswonder is maybe town | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:05 Pandain wrote: Palmar doesn't fit into this list and is playing like his scum self. I don't like how he's attempting to hide information he has from the rest of the thread and hoping to get a last minute bandwagon, if even that. He seems sure Mocsta is scum and yet is waiting for a response, which indicates he wouldn't be sure Mocsta is scum. His play is flawed, illogical, and seems calculated and he should be voted. Please, point me to where I said I was trying to hide information in order to get a last minute bandwagon. I'm hoping mocsta shows up in the thread again before the deadline. And please, also show me where I said I was sure Mocsta is scum. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:28 Pandain wrote: Hiding information, why would you do that from town. I see no reason for a policy lynch of Mocsta unless you think he's also scum. Policy lynches are called policy lynches for a reason, they're enforced irrelevant of whether there is substantial evidence to lynch someone. Think about lurker lynches for example. There is usually not enough hard evidence to construct a solid case against them, but we lynch them anyway. This is the same thing. And I'd simply like Mocsta to reply to my question without me influencing the answer by explaining how I expect him to reply. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:31 supersoft wrote: what do you guys think about syllogisms lack of contribution. Some people talked about him being a slowstarter earlier. toad? Palmar? There is not enough on the table yet to accurately judge syllogism. I'm leaving it out there for now. I don't like how he immediately poked me for doing something that would be very expected of me no matter my alignment, but it's not nearly conclusive. I'm leaving it be for now, waiting on more information to pop up. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:34 LastArgument wrote: Palmar, are you actually going to do nothing all day while you wait for a sleeping Australian? We'll see. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:37 Pandain wrote: Lurker lynches are inherently geared towards finding scum because scum tend to inhabit lurkers and they are anti-town and disrupt the thread through being hard to read. Claimg Self-Aware Miller is neither disruptive or evidence that he's scum. If he had been checked, it would be a different story, but he wasn't. And I'm interested if you currently have any other reads on other players who might be scum; I also think that whatever Mocsta could possibly say isn't going to prove anything at all. In essence I'm doubting you have the basis of a reasonable (soon-to-be) argument. Nope, no current scum reads. What Mocsta did is only beneficial to him if he's scum, it's bad and awful for him if he's town. That doesn't mean he must be scum, I've seen enough people do dumb stuff as town. Which is precisely why I want to know what was his intention with the claim. | ||
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On October 18 2013 05:41 Pandain wrote: So you've read thread but have no scum reads.  (in mafia game not irl)Furthermore, if you think Mocsta is town and he says what will be the logical thing trying to prevent future confusion if he's checked, then you will still policy lynch him, correct? Because that's the only result I can see from this coming, and you still wanted to lynch him. Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. | ||
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IIRC, your video of "?Hero Mafia?" you went into the theoretical aspects of claiming SAM; and the outcome was to always claim the role as town. The point was to make the right play for town. (3) What was I hoping to achieve? I played really bad last game. Really bad. I have also been framed two games in a row (with a cop check). People find me hard to read. I was trying to be open with town and provide information that could help them. Either, policy lynch me; or obtain a read on me by judging my play, not a cop check (as has been the case recently) No, I would never say anything dumb like that. Here is why claiming SAM is incredibly mafia favored. A single cop checking randomly has a 1/22 (24 - himself - lynchee) chance of checking you on night 1, that's 4.5% chance. The chance slowly goes up throughout the game, but only in the absolute far late game does there exist a significant chance a SAM exists. We don't know if there is a SAM in this game. If the setup was open there'd be an argument for claiming, in fact in a completely open game a SAM is a power role. However in a closed setup, there is no point in claiming it. Optimal play would be to simply play well enough so cops wouldn't even think about checking you. The fact that you claimed means for some reason you yourself believe that you will be unable to keep yourself out of the red-ish zone for this game. I'm not sure if this is lack of confidence in your own play, or if this is because you're scum. But I see no reason to play sub-optimally as town. As mafia, the benefits of claiming SAM are amazing, it basically neutralizes the cop against one of your team. You're taking a weapon away from the town. You'll still be analyzed as before, but you can never be attacked as scum through a check. This also means the chance of hitting mafia goes down from 6/22 (27,2%) on the first night to 5/21 (23,8%) for a cop. This benefit becomes even more important if the mafia has a godfather (5/22 to 4/21). So the question remains, why are you afraid of a cop check? There's an entire team of mafia players whose goal is to play towny enough to not get checked, and they have to do it with the burden of knowledge and the inherent scummyness that leads to mafia lynches all the time anyway, a miller would be completely free of those things, and yet doesn't have the balls to avoid a cop check with good play? ##Vote Mocsta | ||
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On October 18 2013 20:45 LastArgument wrote: So you're going to throw your vote away on your strongest day, Palmar? It's a good policy lynch And I haven't put the time in to be all that useful, I have a few town reads, and some interesting posts by some people, but nothing good enough to make me want to push a specific lynch. | ||
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Mocsta wrote: (2) Whats the point? IIRC, your video of "?Hero Mafia?" you went into the theoretical aspects of claiming SAM; and the outcome was to always claim the role as town. The point was to make the right play for town. (3) What was I hoping to achieve? I played really bad last game. Really bad. I have also been framed two games in a row (with a cop check). People find me hard to read. I was trying to be open with town and provide information that could help them. Either, policy lynch me; or obtain a read on me by judging my play, not a cop check (as has been the case recently) No, I would never say anything dumb like that. Here is why claiming SAM is incredibly mafia favored. A single cop checking randomly has a 1/22 (24 - himself - lynchee) chance of checking you on night 1, that's 4.5% chance. The chance slowly goes up throughout the game, but only in the absolute far late game does there exist a significant chance a SAM exists. We don't know if there is a SAM in this game. If the setup was open there'd be an argument for claiming, in fact in a completely open game a SAM is a power role. However in a closed setup, there is no point in claiming it. Optimal play would be to simply play well enough so cops wouldn't even think about checking you. The fact that you claimed means for some reason you yourself believe that you will be unable to keep yourself out of the red-ish zone for this game. I'm not sure if this is lack of confidence in your own play, or if this is because you're scum. But I see no reason to play sub-optimally as town. As mafia, the benefits of claiming SAM are amazing, it basically neutralizes the cop against one of your team. You're taking a weapon away from the town. You'll still be analyzed as before, but you can never be attacked as scum through a check. This also means the chance of hitting mafia goes down from 6/22 (27,2%) on the first night to 5/21 (23,8%) for a cop. This benefit becomes even more important if the mafia has a godfather (5/22 to 4/21). So the question remains, why are you afraid of a cop check? There's an entire team of mafia players whose goal is to play towny enough to not get checked, and they have to do it with the burden of knowledge and the inherent scummyness that leads to mafia lynches all the time anyway, a miller would be completely free of those things, and yet doesn't have the balls to avoid a cop check with good play? ##Vote Mocsta | ||
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On October 18 2013 20:47 syllogism wrote: We aren't lynching him today. I don't care whether claiming SAM is "incredibly mafia favored" or not. The fact is that claiming it as town is the rule, not the exception and as such that wall of text is worthless. Can you do something else? Maybe | ||
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On October 18 2013 21:01 Onegu wrote: Im leaning town on mocosta, and he is a terrible lynch day 1. With his claim it lets parity cops check him as town would never fake claim SAM. I think mattchew is scum I will put together a case after dinner. This guy is town. | ||
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On October 18 2013 22:13 LastArgument wrote: This is silly. He blatantly misremembered, not lied, and as you point out yourself, it's ridiculous to lie about something so easily verified. This guy seems smart. | ||
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On October 18 2013 23:16 EchelonTee wrote: On my Onegu case; it is true that Onegu has examples of being apologetic as both town and scum. I'll consider that aspect to be a bit hazy, but if you take a quick gander at his filter, you'd see that since he's been back all he's giving is town reads; no scum reads in sight. To me this is a blatant showing of non-contribution to thread, activity for activity's sake. I am still confident in my read, but I am moving my vote to better guarantee a good lynch, as the difference in votes are a hair's difference and we have ~10 votes still not in. ##unvote I don't know who koshi is so no that's not a really good answer for me. I also don't know rayn at all either yet people are saying things along the lines of "oh it was actually that guy who is talking? yeah I know he's town then". Honestly this situation is souring my opinion towards hydras: twice the amount of posts to decipher with half the amount of cohesiveness between them. lul On cephiro; his only post reeks; I primarily agree with the logic laid out here. I also already noted how strange it is that Cephiro was casually active on QT yet not involved in thread nor in scumhunting. This indicates that he definitely had the time to be reading the thread, yet he has no time to follow through on his so called reads? I'm happy with a lynch on him. ##Vote: Cephiro Will not be back before deadline. Fingers crossed. This guy looks somewhat scummy I think | ||
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On October 19 2013 00:35 Skanjab1s wrote: Palmar why is Onegu town for that post you fuck. Because butterflies. | ||
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