Hogwarts Mafia

On October 17 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:

Firstly,
I'm not sure why Supersoft/Toad want to release the house member distribution so eagerly?

Could either of you please divulge some reasoning behind this play

I know neither of them played GoT; but IIRC, the end-game discussion resulted in agreement between players/hosts that it was in towns best interest NOT to give out the house information. Though the setups are not identical, there are enough commonalities for me to conclude that the reasons in that game, pertain in this game.

i.e. mafia are randomly distributed; and there is potential there is at least one house they have not corrupted. Why give this information to them for free --> especially when we don't know what type of roles they have etc.

On October 17 2013 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
(Completely made up ability) polyjuice potion/roleblock and infiltrate target [house] player's QT. This ability fails if you guess the targets house incorrectly.

Mocsta's tone is definitely protown, even if you don't like the logic.

On October 17 2013 09:09 Hopeless1der wrote:

My point is that mocsta is right, you don't donate information you don't need to. Closed setups and contests and whatnot. I gave a poor example, but it demonstrates a case where information can be used against us.

On October 17 2013 18:00 EchelonTee wrote:
From my limited experience, primarily from Space Station Mafia, syllo is a control freak when town, especially with role heavy setups. He should be zipping around trying to root out the scum from his QT and trying to find ways to abuse this setup. His in thread presence can be limited, but his involvment in the game should not be. Still reading.

On October 17 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote:

Because he doesn't have any reads, because he's mafia?

It's my impression that LA is a relatively new player and he could very well be using the setup as an excuse to look active when he has a difficult time actually posting as mafia. I know I do that.

On October 17 2013 17:23 Mocsta wrote:

Interesting.

I didn't take him to be a new player based on how manipulative I felt he was when conversing.
Perhaps hes new to this forum; but I doubt he is new of mafia/debating.

For me personally, I don't have confidence to assign his obsession with houses as a hardline town/scum tell.

Other than the manipulation aspect:
What I don't like, is how he went ad-hom into Hopeless1der to propel his argument.
I am not sure what to make of how quickly Hopeless1der caved in, either.

On October 17 2013 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
(Completely made up ability) polyjuice potion/roleblock and infiltrate target [house] player's QT. This ability fails if you guess the targets house incorrectly.

Mocsta's tone is definitely protown, even if you don't like the logic.

On October 17 2013 20:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
In other news. VA is playing his scum meta in the QT.

On October 17 2013 20:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

1) ... Well everybody says it is bad. So yeah I'll drop it.

2) Because you were just baiting people to say something.

On October 17 2013 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote:

Yes.

On October 17 2013 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
I overall dislike skanj right now BTW.

On October 17 2013 08:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
So skanj isn't really reading the thread but is painfully aware when he is being called out for anything. Townie or scummy to tunnelvision on your personal predicaments? (Open question to whoever wants to chat)

On October 17 2013 23:18 Hopeless1der wrote:

Nothing that I'd be confident in any case I tried to make, no. skanj is still my strongest read, but thats a relative term. I'd rather lynch VA with his jokes to see yamato squirm at this point.

On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:

I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking.

I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.

@wbg voters: dafuq?

On April 23 2013 01:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
so...its a pressure vote on someone you think is less scum than other players....are you sure you know how to play this game?

On October 17 2013 23:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
LA, any comment on my supposed town mentality when it comes to policy?

On October 17 2013 23:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
quotes that are literally MONTHS ago, and I've taken a rather long break from mafia. My stance on policy votes can't have changed? Not only that, but the first quote was in regards to a specific player, simply for existing (grush). For the 2nd quote, pressure =\= policy.

On October 17 2013 23:54 Pandain wrote:


Do you really think that two posts in different contexts mean that he always has to be against policy lynches?

Even if it hinted at that, couldn't he change?

Why are you voting him, is it just for that.

On October 17 2013 23:59 Pandain wrote:


Well if you want to convince me to vote for him, then lay it on the line. I only see that you think he should always value suspicions over policy lynches.

On October 18 2013 00:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
LastArgument, you've ignored this.

On October 18 2013 01:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Hi guys!
I like this. There are many townies like:
Holyflare, Pandain, yamato, Vayne, syllogism, supersoft, skanjab, Toad. Dunno if i missed someone.

Then Koshi put our vote on the wrong place.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Cephiro
This guy is not getting away with same shit he did in Noire for 3 days.

-rayn

On October 18 2013 01:19 Hopeless1der wrote:

Mattchew was lynched...about a year ago due to a self-aware claim day1.
Sidenote, get your vote off me or re-explain why im scum.

On October 18 2013 02:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
So Cephiro has now made 4 posts in house QT. One was a setup speculation post that he could have posted in thread aswell. Three other posts are attacking me and Pandain for calling him out for posting in QT but not in thread (Cephiro posted twice as much in scum QT than in thread in Noir). What gives?

-rayn

On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote:
Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town.

I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine.

On October 18 2013 05:05 Pandain wrote:
He's been making posts I really like in thread.

He got super frustrated with me and Rayn for reasons I can see and appreciate now, and would have to have been a forced mindset if he was scum. Took it really personal.

Apparently he was just too busy in life and didn't want to make a post yet in thread. QTs were more relaxed to him and a post in the thread would have been too definitive a statement when he wasn't really sure on everything going on.

I'm pretty surprised at the plethora of people voting him who aren't in Gryffindor as he hasn't said anything then, right?

On October 18 2013 05:24 Pandain wrote:

My reasoning is that he has defended himself enough in a genuine and logical fashion to justify him not being lynched today. If he starts to suck in thread and therefore become suspicious, then we can lynch him. Today is not going to be that day unless he posts that he's scum or something.

On October 18 2013 05:32 Pandain wrote:
Why don't you think Palmar warrants a lynch?

On October 18 2013 06:16 Grackaroni wrote:

It's possible. I could see him making the posts he's made as either alignment. His overall apathy towards the game is more indicative of a scum Palmar.

On October 18 2013 07:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

Remind me to talk about this tomorrow if i forget. There is something i need to check regarding his post.

-rayn

On October 18 2013 07:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually LA scratch it. Compare Cephiro's filters from scum!Noir and town!Aperture. Which one does his post look like?

On October 18 2013 13:30 Mattchew wrote:

he stood up for palmar when he was an easy target with what i think is decent reasoning

On October 18 2013 13:53 Mocsta wrote:

The White Elephant in the Room

(1) Why did I claim self-aware miller?


(2) Whats the point?
IIRC, your video of "?Hero Mafia?" you went into the theoretical aspects of claiming SAM; and the outcome was to always claim the role as town. The point was to make the right play for town.

On October 18 2013 18:54 Mattchew wrote:

He was trying to tell the thread something he believes he knows, trying to enhance someones read on him which i think is pretty fucking towny

On October 18 2013 21:15 Mattchew wrote:

I dont know how to answer this question

On October 18 2013 21:18 Mattchew wrote:

Couldnt you literally say this about any case against a new player

On October 18 2013 21:50 syllogism wrote:
I don't think the big post by Cephiro makes him look any better. It looks something made out of obligation and the tone isn't what I expect from him based on the games I've played with him. He spends so much time on quite pointless defense. The activity and tone are the issue, not really whatever you are defending against in the post. Perhaps it would be more helpful in the context of your QT.

I also do not like how your reads are tugged near the end, spoiler tagged and definitely not the focus of your post. Again, based on my experience you are an outspoken player who pushes his reads. I'm not seeing this in your cases and in fact I do not know who you want to lynch.

Finally, I'm skeptical that the list of "other suspicious people" is genuine. The list of names does not make sense to me, because they do not seem to stand out at all as suspicious and in fact some of them have looked towny. It's a weird mix of names. His reads differing from mine isn't an issue, but that specific list of names is. It's also strange that you note that you will make "small cases on" unless you change your read "strongly". Awkward and fake sounding phrasing.

##vote Cephiro

I'm leaving in about an hour and will be gone for at least 3 hours. It's possible that I won't be back before the deadline, but I likely will be able to.

On October 18 2013 14:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
There is one glaring contradiction he makes in the QT where he calls me "the most reasonable person in our house atm" but then I am a scumread in his post here...seems strange.

On October 18 2013 22:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta blatantly lied about SAM claims being the correct move according to Palmar (i.e. trying to use Palmar's video to manipulate him) I don't know why he'd be so bold as to use something that can be proven false without checking it, but it makes me want to lynch him. I need to actually read the rest of his content, but that caught my attention.

Discussion starts around the 8 minute mark lasts maybe 5 minutes.

On October 18 2013 22:41 Stutters695 wrote:
Ceph: His post is really similar to his posting in Noir. Including how he attacks people who call out his absences, easy targets on d1, etc. He's probably my first choice right now.

JAT: I don't like a d1 lynch on him. Both games I've played with him, he was active and if he's town here there is no reason he won't step it up. There are better lynches imo.


Question Syllo: Have you thought about lynching me at all this game? Why push JAT over me? Our filters are pretty similarly worthless and I have just spent my last two games lurking as scum.

On October 18 2013 23:16 EchelonTee wrote:
On my Onegu case; it is true that Onegu has examples of being apologetic as both town and scum. I'll consider that aspect to be a bit hazy, but if you take a quick gander at his filter, you'd see that since he's been back all he's giving is town reads; no scum reads in sight. To me this is a blatant showing of non-contribution to thread, activity for activity's sake.

On October 19 2013 00:08 I-be-Pro wrote:

Did you say that somewhere? I just checked his filter to see if he posted at all and apparently he had 3 posts before being replaced out, so I can't say it's hard to have a "best scumread" on someone with 0 posts but on someone with 3 posts that I couldn't even remember is still odd I'd say.

On October 19 2013 00:57 StorrZerg wrote:



sure what do you want to know

On October 19 2013 01:01 StorrZerg wrote:
Ill tell you this, I am pretty unhappy that we have 8 people who have not voted with only 4 hours to go.

On October 19 2013 01:23 StorrZerg wrote:



Mattchew is a backstabber. His reaction to being called out on his post about me, and then his reversal seemed like a town reaction. As for his flip to vote Sn0_Man. That seemed odd.

Grack seems to be taking this game with a lighter tone than most. Not in a way that annoys me, i like the tone of his play atm.


In regards to that, i don't see why we can't have some fun with this theme. (hence my posts about hufflepuff not having dard wizards, its fluff i know and the bias against Slytherien )

On October 19 2013 01:45 Grackaroni wrote:
If only there was some kind of third alternative presented!

On October 18 2013 06:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Hi thread. I am still not completely caught up and won't manage to do so this evening. I will constantly be active for several hours well before deadline when I arrive at home tomorrow. That's a promise.

On October 19 2013 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I'd say the Cephiro lynch is going pretty easily lol

On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.

I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.

Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_-

On October 19 2013 03:52 Cephiro wrote:


The thing is, as far as I know, we're playing Mafia, not "Post-the-most".

I think I did a fairly reasonable post that can be seen as a genuine town interest in the game. I explained my own opinions, statements and behavior, as well as gave some reads and reasoning to them.

I do agree the less content to go by, the harder it is to read. But I also think that little, contentful posts are better than constantly posting useless fluff.

But it seems that someone wanted to paint it as fluff, and what would be easier for scum after seeing a good post to just ignore it completely, claiming it as fluff = Leaving that person looking like he has done nothing at all.

On October 19 2013 04:59 Stutters695 wrote:
Hopeless, don't be retarded.

WTF did I come back to?

On October 19 2013 05:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm disappointed in you lot and I expect better results tomorrow.

Skanjab1s has spoken.

On October 19 2013 05:15 Skanjab1s wrote:


Yeah I thought someone would point that out, oh well. I have a right to berate the town when we should have lynched sn0 today instead.

[You are Hannah Abbott. As a member of Dumbledore’s Army, you have diligently trained your Stunning Spell. Once per game you may cast it and hit your target with 1 KP. Type ##Stupefy: XY in the game to stun during day or PM the host with ##Stupefy: XY to stun at night.

On October 19 2013 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:

I suggest you look at his filter from Noir (don't worry it's short).

On October 19 2013 07:49 justanothertownie wrote:

Does he looks more confident to you or what are you hinting at?

On October 19 2013 13:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Someone plz vig the shit out of Cephiro if we have a vig other than the one you lynched...

-rayn

On October 19 2013 19:28 Holyflare wrote:


How is that even true?

On October 19 2013 02:57 I-be-Pro wrote:
okay I figured this shit out. Palmar is mafia and he's angry at everyone because he's indeed doing the right thing because Mocsta is mafia as well and they had it planned all along. But Palmar expected to get less flak so he's mad while knowing his target is mafia.

My gut is always right on these things.

On October 20 2013 03:18 Mattchew wrote:

yes.. my read on marv and you was really good day 1/2 last game too.. i start slow because I process of elimination scum hunt

right now i dont believe storr is scum... hes too willing to share his entire thought process

i dont have any direct scum read right now... just people im ok with dying