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On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_-
There's a difference between posting every 5 minutes and posting more than once.
Quit bitching and do something productive
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On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part.
1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever.
At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs.
I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming".
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Im not in your QT Cephiro so I can't see most of your posts apparently. Who would you like to lynch?
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On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part. 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming".
can you just claim?
i could get down on a switch
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On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part. 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming".
You have posted fucking three times in total! That's not close to "posting every 5 minutes".
What the fuck are you doing?
-rayn
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On October 19 2013 03:04 Mocsta wrote:
Interestingly, I got the same feeling about JAT - quite different play from Noir - but for slightly different reasons. I didn't give it too much weight, because in Noir JAT was a blue role. But as others are finding him suspicious; I will queue him up with Cephiro and lynch between those 3. On October 19 2013 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:
As I said. You can't compare my Day1 play to Noir because I simply did not have any time until now.
Actually my gripe with you is that, even with much less posts than noir- you have been more forthcoming this game. (ironic i know)
Further the content is on a different tangent to noir. i feel very strongly about this, even with a quick skim of your filter now.
noir felt like you were holding something back.. which i later proved was the case.
i think that read ascended above you being a blue role.
i.e. i think the mindset would largely hold if you were green this game.
short story is: so far im not getting that feeling about you, which makes me have reservations about you.
i.e. You need to start contributing more.
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Cephiro i would be okay if you participated in the discussions going on in thread instead of making one big fluff post that says 90% nothing at all. Instead you decide to dedicate the time you have into throwing shit at us on house QT for voting for you. That's not townie behavior. At all.
-rayn
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On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part. 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming". you better be town.
i abhor appeals like this.. even moreso as scum.
almost warning worthy if scum; as this transcends the gentleman rules of play.
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On October 18 2013 20:47 Palmar wrote:Reposting for format. Show nested quote +Mocsta wrote:
(2) Whats the point?
IIRC, your video of "?Hero Mafia?" you went into the theoretical aspects of claiming SAM; and the outcome was to always claim the role as town. The point was to make the right play for town.
(3) What was I hoping to achieve?
I played really bad last game. Really bad. I have also been framed two games in a row (with a cop check). People find me hard to read. I was trying to be open with town and provide information that could help them. Either, policy lynch me; or obtain a read on me by judging my play, not a cop check (as has been the case recently) No, I would never say anything dumb like that. Here is why claiming SAM is incredibly mafia favored. A single cop checking randomly has a 1/22 (24 - himself - lynchee) chance of checking you on night 1, that's 4.5% chance. The chance slowly goes up throughout the game, but only in the absolute far late game does there exist a significant chance a SAM exists. We don't know if there is a SAM in this game. If the setup was open there'd be an argument for claiming, in fact in a completely open game a SAM is a power role. However in a closed setup, there is no point in claiming it. Optimal play would be to simply play well enough so cops wouldn't even think about checking you. The fact that you claimed means for some reason you yourself believe that you will be unable to keep yourself out of the red-ish zone for this game. I'm not sure if this is lack of confidence in your own play, or if this is because you're scum. But I see no reason to play sub-optimally as town. As mafia, the benefits of claiming SAM are amazing, it basically neutralizes the cop against one of your team. You're taking a weapon away from the town. You'll still be analyzed as before, but you can never be attacked as scum through a check. This also means the chance of hitting mafia goes down from 6/22 (27,2%) on the first night to 5/21 (23,8%) for a cop. This benefit becomes even more important if the mafia has a godfather (5/22 to 4/21). So the question remains, why are you afraid of a cop check? There's an entire team of mafia players whose goal is to play towny enough to not get checked, and they have to do it with the burden of knowledge and the inherent scummyness that leads to mafia lynches all the time anyway, a miller would be completely free of those things, and yet doesn't have the balls to avoid a cop check with good play? ##Vote Mocsta
Like really, people tunnel on crap like this and I'm up for lynch? Yeah. Go scum, you can just post whatever you want as long as you do it often, people won't care.
Mafia claiming as SAM has "amazing" benefits? A whopping 3.4% reduction in chance of being hit by cop? Amazing. Marvellous. Incredible. Palmar makes it look like the only reason for Mocsta claiming is due to being "afraid of being cop checked."
Well guess what. If you were framed for murder irl and you knew it, would you not be afraid of the cops coming to your door, given you are one of the suspects? (Comparison to being one of the players in the game.)
Ooh. Shit. Seems like honesty in this world isn't appriciated at all. How likely do you consider someone talking themselves out of being lynched claiming self-aware miller AFTER a redcheck? Yeah. Not very.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=45#895
The posts before and after this are the reasons I will be voting Cephiro. For the points I brought up, they still stand. Why would he post so much in a QT that may be heavily influenced with scum when he has an entire thread he could be bouncing these ideas off?
His original post pretty much listed half the thread as extra scum reads that were not further elaborated on in the thread despite saying that he would.
His second post of the game:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part. 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming".
Irregardless of any meta that people have brought up (Toad) or not, we have NO idea what value you are adding if you are only posting 1 post, how can you blame us? This aggression coupled with previously mentioned posts make me
##Vote Cephiro
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On October 19 2013 03:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Cephiro i would be okay if you participated in the discussions going on in thread instead of making one big fluff post that says 90% nothing at all. Instead you decide to dedicate the time you have into throwing shit at us on house QT for voting for you. That's not townie behavior. At all.
-rayn
It's only "one big fluff post", because you have decided to paint it that way before you've even read it. THAT is not townie behavior. At all.
How have I dedicated time throwing shit at you in house qt instead? I haven't posted anything except telling you way to go once I came back and saw I'm up for lynch. Means I haven't posted after my initial annoyment at you, thus making your statement FALSE.
But yeah, you can go ahead and re-paint more green to red and everyone will be happy. As long as you remind everyone that you're doing it constantly.
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On October 19 2013 03:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:04 Mocsta wrote:
Interestingly, I got the same feeling about JAT - quite different play from Noir - but for slightly different reasons. I didn't give it too much weight, because in Noir JAT was a blue role. But as others are finding him suspicious; I will queue him up with Cephiro and lynch between those 3. Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:
As I said. You can't compare my Day1 play to Noir because I simply did not have any time until now.
Actually my gripe with you is that, even with much less posts than noir- you have been more forthcoming this game. (ironic i know) Further the content is on a different tangent to noir. i feel very strongly about this, even with a quick skim of your filter now. noir felt like you were holding something back.. which i later proved was the case. i think that read ascended above you being a blue role. i.e. i think the mindset would largely hold if you were green this game. short story is: so far im not getting that feeling about you, which makes me have reservations about you. i.e. You need to start contributing more.
Your argument is wrong. But I can see your thought process.
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Cephiro, 3 questions.
Do you think with one post you demonstrated to town that you care about finding a lynch?
Do you think we should be able to read you as town from your one post?
Is it unreasonable for town to find someone suspicious who doesn't care or is involved with town?
If the answer to any of these questions is No, you need to stop ranting and look and push for a good lynch
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The funny thing is that Palmar thinks Mocsta is more likely scum because he is more afraid of being cop checked when Mocsta has the fact that he's been framed two games in a row going for him and could just use that to devalue the importance of a red check on him.
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Well at least ur posting Ceph.
I've been discussing the claim with Toad in QT and it does kinda seem like the claim is better for mafia than for town, so I can see why palmar feels like a Policy lynch is reasonable here. However I'm not with it because if he is town he is doing what I would have done (claimed SAM).
Are you trying to argue that this makes palmar scum?
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On October 19 2013 03:44 Holyflare wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=45#895The posts before and after this are the reasons I will be voting Cephiro. For the points I brought up, they still stand. Why would he post so much in a QT that may be heavily influenced with scum when he has an entire thread he could be bouncing these ideas off? His original post pretty much listed half the thread as extra scum reads that were not further elaborated on in the thread despite saying that he would.
1. This guy has no idea what and how much I have posted in the QT. I have posted very little in the QT, which of most were the rage posts directed mainly at rayn. But for some reason, this is still a valid scumtell.
Because guis, I posted so freaking much in the QT. SO MUCH. I POSTED THERE EVERY TIME YOU BLINKED AN EYE.
And hey, guess what. THE QT MIGHT BE HEAVILY INFLUENCED WITH SCUM????
No FUCKING SHIT. Guess what, this thread has a whopping 6 SCUM PLAYERS IN IT. WE ARE ALL BEING INFLUENCED BY SCUM?!?!?
4 small cases + 4 small suspicions = "Half the thread"
8/24 = 25% at most. Yeah. Fuck this.
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I feel Cephiro is unsafe lynch, despite the lack of (earlier) content. I don't understand why he'd play this way, but to me it seems his current frustration is genuine.
I'd far rather lynch Palmar, his filter has a distinct lack of scum hunting in it.
##Vote: Palmar
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On October 19 2013 03:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote:On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part. 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming". you better be town. i abhor appeals like this.. even moreso as scum. almost warning worthy if scum; as this transcends the gentleman rules of play.
Agreed, after that meta-gamey poor sports post I'm not switching. Feel free to complain about the case against you being bad, but have some self-awareness and do not attempt to convince us with emotional not game related nonsense.
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In red teams prize I posted more in a QT than in thread as town. Cephiro has been described as overwhelmed as both alignments it doesn't make him scum.
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I guess we could lynch Palmar
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