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That notesheet doesn't fit the reason we're lynching Ceph for.
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##vote palmar That notesheet doesn't fit the reason we're lynching Ceph for. | ||
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Basicly I have a little extra to my role. I have a buddy. If said buddy dies I die, if I die he dies. That's why I said my role is 90% certain anti-town because at some point in time I'm just going to take another townie to the grave with me. I said 90% because my buddy is written in black letters. I don't know wether he's town or mafia, it could be I'm taking a mafia with me but from a numbers points of view it's most likely a townie. The reason I'm claiming this right now is that I have come to the conclusion that this is going to happen sooner or later anyways and I don't think the timing is going to make that much of a difference. I'm essentially giving mafia +1KP with my role but it's going to happen anyways and if we get some KP away from other people that way that's decent enough for me. I'm a green after all and hey, maybe the other guy's red after all. I'm pretty sure I know who my buddy is around now and he's going to be mad as crap about this but I don't actually have a townread on him so yolo all the way. That is by the way the reason I was so unsure about Mocsta's miller claim. Knowing my role, assuming there's a 2nd guy like that who's going to kick the bucket together with me, one or maybe 2 mafias in Syltherin and ON TOP OF THAT a SAM in Slytherin? Sounded like way too much anti-town stuff to me early on until I told myself to ignore it based on well whatever, it's Slytherin, where else if not in Slytherin should the anti-town roles be located Thaaaaat being said, I'm going to bed again and like I said I'll start rereading tomorrow and get as much out of this n1 as possible. TL;dr reasoning: 1) I don't think I'm the shining beacon of townieness atm 2) the thing will happen sooner or later anyways and I'm only a green 3) I might be able to take away a bullet from someone like LA/syllo that way which means mafia "has" to shoot someone they don't actually want to shoot. 4) I might even be targeted by some rogue townies the way I'm looking atm without this, which would be the most utterly worst case scenario because we're wasting 1 town bullet on a townie while actually killing two guys. I think one of my first post in the QT's was something along the lines of awww damn, I can already see this going down the same way as Arkham That's it from me for today, see you tomorrow. PS-pseudo-Edit: The most important thing here is that it's death and not KP, So no protection needed. Possible protection would deter mafia anyways, which is something I don't want, so don't even consider it. If they shoot me they shoot me and we have guys like Syllo/LA/Super alive. | ||
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On October 19 2013 16:49 supersoft wrote: sorry toad your claim right now is retarded. are you female? is grack female? + if youre both town. scum will shoot one of you for sure. 2 for 1 thats a great deal That's the thing. It is retarded but I've come to the conclusion that not claiming it would have been even more retarded given the situation. Rather get it out now than later on in a "but we still have 1,5 cycles left! No need to rush"-situation and bam, game over because I never mentioned it. Mafia will get that "great" deal sooner or later anyways because at some point I'm going to die or my partner is going to die. Now if I get shot by a townie or lynched instead of being shot by mafia it would be omfg-fucking-worst-case for us because mafia gets 2 with 0 bullets and the "great deal" you're talking about is something you can't do anything about anyways. About the guy who's being my buddy, I either know the guy 100% or someone lied to me in QT. To people asking about names: Don't ever claim your name unless you have to. Claiming your ability/describing your ability is fine but really don't ever claim your name. There have been roles in games that discourage role-claiming like the vig that can shoot multiple times but only if he knows his targets role-name from pokemon and so on. Your name is irrelevant either way so it has 0 advantages to claim it, seeing as chars like myself are town, while having possible, big drawbacks. But like I said I'm going to shower, go for a walk with my dog, reread as much as I can and give you everything I have later on. Most likely going to happen around 2 hours prior to deadline as a general idea + real close to deadline if I have something I don't want mafia to know before deadline hits. And well, there's still the possibility that the guy in question is mafia. Anyways mafia is going to shoot syllo, syllo needs protection. I'm trying to draw hits away from syllo with this. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + One being a "hi" post One telling me how there aren't that many characters in Harry potter and I shouldn't be fishing for them (the latter part is my interpretation) and One about my first post in this game as I said (I think?) something along the lines of "sup I am town" and how hard it is to play with me because of that One about being left out that I don't know what he was referring to. I didn't like the 2 in the middle at all. The "it's hard to play with you"-post seems faked and like a lie. The second one as it's just been flat out negative, I can't quote the phrasing but it doesn't look good to me. And I want to make sure that every single description I gave here for every single phrase he put in our QT is longer than what he really wrote. That's from the point of view you're not having, our QT. From what I've seen in here I've not seen a lot comming from him. I would have expected more being involved from him and it seems distanced whenever he's posting something, but like I said that's my gut feeling about him. He's the first guy I'll reread once I get back. | ||
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I'll post examples in spoilers: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 18:42 EchelonTee wrote: The post itself is useless but it has to be useless because someone has to do it. So it's not particularly telling for him at all, however the fact that no other Slytherin cared enough to get "easy bonus points" by stating that and being helpful makes THEM ever so slightly more townish. ET being the one posting this doesn't make him look bad at all, but it doesn't make him look better. Now my gripe with this one is the defensive/apologetical last line. There are people around who post very friendly and think it's proper manners (I disagree with that in a game of mafia) but if that kind of stuff happens a lot it's a mafiatell.Slytherin house is Mocsta, EchelonTee, Zaragon, I-Be-Pro, Sn0_Man, Skanjab1s btw. No idea why it wasn't posted yet. green color is for flavor inb4 tunneling + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 18:34 EchelonTee wrote: While I disagree with the statement at hand because more posts does not equate more healthy discussion and the QT's are an amazing place to let out your urge to spam for players like me my problem with this is the 2nd part.I really, really dislike this. The QT's are basically imperfect mason circles; while a mason circle with confirmed townies is extremely powerful to bounce reads off one another, one that almost definitely has scum in it is very open to manipulation. Any interesting information (people's town lists anyone?) that is listed in a QT, but not in the thread will still make it to the scum, giving them an edge. The QTs are also inferior compared to PM circles, as you can pick and choose who you PM and try to get share information only with people you believe to be town. The majority of the activity should be in thread. I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread, but hidden information in QTs is decisively negative. I'm also still considering if the town as a whole should decide on how to use the prizes from challenges or not; putting it up to a town vote would 1.) generate healthy discussion, 2.)allow the town to have more control how these power items will be used. "I don't doubt that Toad will be active in the thread", good to know, but like I said I like agressive tone in games of mafia and there's no need to soft-pad my or anyone elses shoulders like that. If you've got a problem with what I say say so and don't go "I think it's really stupid although he's probably going to be fine anyways" The last part, the part about the items reminds me an awful lot about mayor posts in the essence that it looks really nice to most people but it's utter garbage. He's saying he wants town to have more controle over items, which obviously will make people think it's a good thing but he himself should know that those "plans" never go through anyways. It's not bad but imo it's something he put the for the sake of looking nice, thus my comparison with mayor-election-posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 19:30 EchelonTee wrote: You stated: In exclusion, this statement directly implies that I dislike toad. When I first read this part I thought you were claiming I called toad scummy. Not a big deal I just didn't like the lack of clarity. Are you kidding me? I directly replied to one of Toad's post saying that I disagree with he said. Did I have to put "Toad, what do you think about what I've said?" to satisfy you? Also, my first posts will be about setup. That's how mafia works. Downplaying my analysis of the setup as a "generic observation", instead of responding to my actual content, is just strange. Toad is difficult to read. This is not news unless he has significantly changed his play. For those wondering, I basically stated "why do you claim town toad, it sux". You cut off the part where I directly quote him, just turn back a page and you'll see. If I directly reply to someone's post saying I really, really dislike what they said, then yes they are expected to respond. I feel like you're just wasting my time. You're trying to imply that I'm posting fluff and beating around the bush when I'm talking about something that is incredibly pertinent, the amount of activity in QT vs the amount of activity in thread. Stop it. Just quoted the big one to get the parts with Mocsta in here as well. Take note, that the bolded part was bolded by him, not by me and quite frankly speaking I completly missed that and didn't even catch it. That being said if I was expected to respond because he "really really dislikes" what I said, despite saying he thinks I'm good he should have pressured it. No hey toad you are supposed to answer this to me directly. He's talking about how I am supposed to answer it with Mocsta. I've already given my opinion on the town-claim part. I think it sounded fake, I don't think anyone in here gave a crap about me getting in the thread stating "sup I'm town" and I'm pretty sure everyone thought it's a null that I would have done no matter of alignment, yet he's telling me that it's making me hard to read for whatever reason. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 19:53 EchelonTee wrote: unrelated to mafia: This is just how I talk in Mafia, Mocsta, I hope you don't take it personally. Again one of those defensive/apologetical posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 20:09 EchelonTee wrote: This clearly articulates why I dislike the QT activity that does not get fully transferred over to thread No it's not, it's saying "don't say it's his meta without explaining what his meta is". At that time it hadn't anything to do with QT activity at all, though plugging his own contribution is something a townie might do as well + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 17:28 EchelonTee wrote: I agree with the sentiment that it was weird that ET got mad and I thought it looked fake as well. He has been cool all game long and suddenly that very harsh line out of nowhere. I don't like his explanation "it's because it's my first game in a while" at all. Idk, I took a pause because it got very frustrating and I got really angry to cool off. I don't think you'll get more angry after a long pause at all, nor do I think he should have given an explanation about why in the first place. Again, it seems defensive to me. He would have been perfectly fine just saying he'll cool off but instead he opted to go into detail making it sound like he's scared about the question at hand.I'll admit I'm putting it on too hard which is likely because this is my first game in a while. I'll cool it. so yes, I mad + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 22:48 EchelonTee wrote: ...I don't even remember justanothertownie. It's really annoying me that the majority of Cephiro's posts are in QT. It'd be nice of 1 of Pandain VayneAuthority raynpelikonoshi Stutters695 justanothertownie could do an analysis of Cephiro's in QT posts. The WHOLE point of ET d1 was something along the lines of: Don't talk in QT because analyzing someone in QT in unreliable because you are not allowed to copy&past thus exact wording get's lost and makes it utterly useless. Weird to ask someone to analyze Ceph when he thinks that's useless I really get the feeling he's faking like I said about the 2 QT posts and the one in thread someone else pointed out and he's very careful about looking good when it comes to "I think we should let town vote about items" and "inbefore people going to vote me because I made it green. That being said afk for an hour walking with my dog | ||
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I'm probably going to post my trademark picture during deadline. Keep Syllo alive at all cost please. | ||
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On October 20 2013 03:00 LastArgument wrote: I'm not sure about Mocsta, some of his content looks ok, he's pushing and pulling and he seems to back down when it's reasonable to back down. Cephiro promised his play would improve so what happened yesterday wouldn't happen again; he hasn't posted since. LoneMeow isn't posting in our QT at all, in some ways I find this more damning than not posting in the thread - in Noir he claimed that he was intimidated by vets, so you think a QT would be the perfect place to get some thoughts down, but apparently not. Stutters looks bad, his contributions, what little exist of them, are quite superficial. It doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia, but usually as town he has some quality of analysis that's lacking here. I don't think EchelonTee looks very good; I don't like how he misrepresented Onegu (I posted about that on Day 1), also Palmar didn't like how ET looked, nor does syllogism I think. Maybe he seems to be commenting on the game, yet not participating? Toad's roleclaim is rather odd and he's not attempted to insert himself into a kind of "vet circle" as he likes to do as town. He's capable of making earnest discussion as mafia; I've noted several people giving him townreads for things I consider quite null for Toad. I simply don't believe this post; it doesn't look like a genuine 'crazy' theory to me, rather it looks like someone trying to invent a crazy theory so that he looks like a townie with a crazy theory. I still have a lot of players who I'm struggling to lean much on either way, I won't list them here, although there's bound to be a couple of mafia in these people. I'm still somewhat town on Mattchew although I'm not sure about it, I'd like to see more of him. Dude I'm totally charming :3 Not actually sure if it's imperativ, so that's why. And actually I did that if you look back at my discussion with supersoft about how I said I'm pretty certain that there's a mafia vet in your house because there's only 5 vets in the game, me being one of them (obviously :3) and being town as well and everyone except for Palmar (who already flipped town btw) being in your house. About the capable yes but you know damn well that I've not been motivated at all in my most recent scumgames and it was easy as crap to figure me out. Likewise it was super easy to figure me out in the town ones, until I quit and all that. I could even quote something about that but you probably don't want me to quote stuff from other games that are 6 months old. Yeah the townreads from people who don't know me shouldn't be townreads but I'm happy for that anyways, I even told the people in my QT that that's not alignment indicating about me at all but no need to push fearmongering against myself in here. | ||
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On October 20 2013 02:36 I-be-Pro wrote: Honestly I've reread a coupld of things and I'm really not sure about a strong mafiaread right now. I've got a couple ones where I'd be "yeah could be mafia" but nothing to strong. The one on ET could be easily wrong imo, as I've been cherrypicking when writing about him, I'm still somewhat confused about Mocsta despite the green flip on Palmar, which completly busted my theory and reason to be wary of him but I'm not getting anything where I'd say "KILL IT WITH FIRE"... I'm probably going to post my trademark picture during deadline. Keep Syllo alive at all cost please. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J9PpOAu.png) ET is the guy I'm buddied with or someone in my QT lied. It could be possible that my buddy is mafia, a thought that crossed my mind is that maybe my buddy isn't in the game but that'd be kind of a bitch-move from hosts so I'm pretty sure that's not the case, also the fact that noone is crying or raging about my claim makes it somewhat more likely it's a mafia imo. I'd say ET has the best chance of flipping red. Not sure if my read on superssoft is correct, I'd say that's the most likely to be wrong out of the vets. Mocsta is neutral because I still don't like the SAM claim, his inthread presence is a slight townread which cancels that out. BH is hard because I think he's trolling and lying all the time, maybe it's him being my buddy and he just lied, idk. Ceph green solely because of the notes, otherwise he'd be yellow/orange. I'd put Vayne and rayn as slight townreads if I knew them a little better, which you guys seem to do, so I left them white because it's my first game with them and you seem to be saying they're playing to their mafiameta. I'd put them down as slightly townish without knowing them. | ||
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On October 20 2013 04:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Who's sayin i am playing to my scum meta? This is important. -rayn I remember people saying that some would instalynch you if it was one or the other part of you posting from d1, so that's why I left you out as neutral despite having a townread on you. On October 20 2013 04:39 justanothertownie wrote: Interesting. So yellow means scummy, yes? If so - why is ET the only scumread you are giving reasons for while discussing your townier reads more indepht? yellow is labeled as "somewhat scummy". Cephiro was the only one that got to orange so far and back to greenish-later on... Because like I said above, I'm really not feeling sure about those reads, it's what I think so far but I haven't found anything outstanding without cherrypicking, which is what I earlier today when going through ET's filter imo, which is also the reason he's only yellow despite being the one I'd be most confident about. | ||
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On October 20 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: Still there have to be reasons for you to paint those cells yellow, no? You discusses "hard" reads in this post anyways - why leave out your scumreads? I discussed those that were recently changed or I have multiple points of view on: Ceph from orange to green. BH from green to neutral Mocsta from green to neutral and for town inthread despite my ideas about his SAM. Vayne and rayn for being town imo but still being labeled as neutral because of what some other people said. snow would be yellow because he's looking out to much for "bonus points" by explaining shit all the time and being nice and all that. ET has got a post himself from me so read that Stutters because I'm underwhelmed by him storr, youe and hopeless had some edgy stuff that rubbed me the wrong way while | ||
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On October 20 2013 04:47 StorrZerg wrote: any reason to the ordering? idk kinda bothers me you don't have them organized by house. but thats minor and really doesn't matter i guess they're ordered by numbers... copy & pasted from op | ||
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