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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=45#895
The posts before and after this are the reasons I will be voting Cephiro. For the points I brought up, they still stand. Why would he post so much in a QT that may be heavily influenced with scum when he has an entire thread he could be bouncing these ideas off?
His original post pretty much listed half the thread as extra scum reads that were not further elaborated on in the thread despite saying that he would.
His second post of the game:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part. 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming".
Irregardless of any meta that people have brought up (Toad) or not, we have NO idea what value you are adding if you are only posting 1 post, how can you blame us? This aggression coupled with previously mentioned posts make me
##Vote Cephiro
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On October 19 2013 03:48 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:44 Holyflare wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=45#895The posts before and after this are the reasons I will be voting Cephiro. For the points I brought up, they still stand. Why would he post so much in a QT that may be heavily influenced with scum when he has an entire thread he could be bouncing these ideas off? His original post pretty much listed half the thread as extra scum reads that were not further elaborated on in the thread despite saying that he would. 1. This guy has no idea what and how much I have posted in the QT. I have posted very little in the QT, which of most were the rage posts directed mainly at rayn. But for some reason, this is still a valid scumtell. Because guis, I posted so freaking much in the QT. SO MUCH. I POSTED THERE EVERY TIME YOU BLINKED AN EYE. And hey, guess what. THE QT MIGHT BE HEAVILY INFLUENCED WITH SCUM???? No FUCKING SHIT. Guess what, this thread has a whopping 6 SCUM PLAYERS IN IT. WE ARE ALL BEING INFLUENCED BY SCUM?!?!? 4 small cases + 4 small suspicions = "Half the thread" 8/24 = 25% at most. Yeah. Fuck this.
Very little in QT, very little in thread, why should we assume you are town then!? Your whole logic is flawed, you get 'angry' at the fact people are calling you scum even though their motives are correct. Even if you posted 4 times in the QT that's 100% more than you had posted here at that time. 8/24 is 33%, you pointed out 4 people, 4 other suspicions BUT HAVE NOT ELABORATED ON THEM OR PUSHED YOUR SUSPICIONS. Why is that townlike to you?
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On October 19 2013 03:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
To be fair to ceph, nobody has great reasons for him being scum other than poorly substantiated meta and some confirmation bias along the lines of "well if he is scum I think he'd play like this".
I mean, sure his scumhunting isn't there but WHOSE IS?
I mean, I'd be somewhat pissed to discover that many votes on me when the key argument is "lurking" and there are players like Stutters and JAT and BH and more contributing equally little.
On the other hand, meta may still be a reason and I'm not sure who else we lynch (not palmar people).
This is NOTHING to do with meta. He posted 1 post at the time, cast suspicion on people that already had suspicion on themselves, he posted a few other names that were not mentioned by anyone else but then never followed up on them. Half of his post was explaining himself
Rayn made an excellent point: Here about it.
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On October 19 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote:
This doesn't look like resistance at all, mafia doesnt do that 1 hour before the lynch when there is essentially only one wagon
Yet your vote is still on him.
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Ok, Cephiro, what do you think of the other wagon on sn0_man?
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On October 19 2013 04:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:09 Holyflare wrote:On October 19 2013 04:07 syllogism wrote:
This doesn't look like resistance at all, mafia doesnt do that 1 hour before the lynch when there is essentially only one wagon Yet your vote is still on him. Do you think scum would try to save him now?
Good scum probably would.
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I don't like things like this:
On October 19 2013 03:48 LoneMeow wrote:
I feel Cephiro is unsafe lynch, despite the lack of (earlier) content. I don't understand why he'd play this way, but to me it seems his current frustration is genuine.
I'd far rather lynch Palmar, his filter has a distinct lack of scum hunting in it.
##Vote: Palmar
What about the other people with similar circumstances, stutters, sn0, onegu, BH etc etc. Why specifically palmar? Is it because he has votes on him already and was an easy place to put your vote that wasn't on a wagon? People have expressed this attitude is also town Palmar.
If Cephiro's frustration is a town read to you then you should be aggressively pushing a lynch onto someone else because we are about to lynch a towny? His posts as just linked by Mocsta illustrate that they are the exact same as a scum game of his, what does that imply to you?
The same questions go to:
Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow
all of these people too.
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Also, is hopeless afk? Cephiro has displayed emotion so that should be a new read for him..
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Oh, nvm that was JAT saying about emotions ~_~ You haven't voted yet JAT?
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On October 19 2013 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
Oh, nvm that was JAT saying about emotions ~_~ You haven't voted yet JAT? Try again.
"Then there is this. As far as I know you can read people more easily when they get emotional invested so why would you tell him to step back if you are interested in learning about his alignment?"
Those are your words and you haven't voted. Ceph has been emotionally invested in his past few posts. What is your take on him? What do you even mean try again??
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I would be comfortable with a mattchew vote, he was soft defending Cephiro even before he posted that list.
Here: On October 19 2013 02:04 Mattchew wrote:
yeah imma put a placeholder on ceph and read into him and the game more
here: On October 19 2013 02:14 Mattchew wrote:
this ceph lynch seems to be happening pretty easily
and here: On October 19 2013 03:35 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:33 Cephiro wrote:On October 19 2013 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On October 19 2013 03:24 Cephiro wrote:
..... Yeah great. I see I have 1h 30 min and people are forcing a mislynch on me. Fucking amazing.
I'm getting tired of this shit, it's like if I don't post every 5 minutes like in some games I previously have I'm scum.
Well, at least you'll perhaps finally understand not to meta me. Go ahead and lynch one of the main characters. -_- See, that's the same Shiaopi said when we lynched him in Thug Mafia. But we are not lynching only on meta, but also on you being 1500% useless on top of that. See at least you can try and remove the useless part. 1500% useless? Yeah, I try to post once and all I do is get shit for not having posted a thousand times. Not like your one-liners are any better. Motivates me a fuckton when there were several others doing jack shit, but if I don't have the time to post every 5 minutes I'm scum. That's the worst meta shit ever. At the moment I'm sorry to the hosts but I really don't give a flying fuck about trying to defend myself against random bs. I haven't read all the new pages yet but I assume it's some more "his post looks constructed or similar to noir, must be scum" bs. I wish it wasn't against the spirit of the game but I really feel like signing up for every game possible, posting only once a day as town until you guys realize that's not "metagaming". can you just claim? i could get down on a switch
He also voted for sn0 and yet again soft defended him too, while asking other people if they thought it would be alright:
On October 18 2013 21:44 Mattchew wrote:
Yeah w.e i should have listened to everyone early last game too
##unvote
##vote sn0_man
On October 19 2013 00:45 Mattchew wrote:
Palmar i think sn0 looks better with his posts recently, am i stupid
I've never played with him but he hasn't really contributed anything that I think is good. His soft defences and wanting advice from another player (who could well be scum) is also scummy to me. He has also been buddying up with other people during the game.
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On October 19 2013 04:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
I have mattchew as leaning town as well. His voting is too stupid to be scum basically lol.
Worst reason I've ever heard.
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On October 19 2013 04:51 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 04:50 Holyflare wrote:On October 19 2013 04:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
I have mattchew as leaning town as well. His voting is too stupid to be scum basically lol. Worst reason I've ever heard. Not really. His motivations for votes are discernably not scummy. If he was scum he wouldn't be begging ceph to full claim for example 
That's baseless. If he was scum he'd know Ceph's alignment. Begging to make him reveal his role not only reveals a potential role that scum could get rid off but gives Matt credit for trying to save a towny.
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Also, Mocsta, as for a BH lynch, I checked into your meta points and they made a little bit of sense, but nothing that I could see as damning evidence. Although I haven't played with him so can't entirely get the feel for it so it's harder for me, yet, BH is a person who I see as very towny when he posts so I would get a better feel for him, say, on day 2 than straight up lynching him now.
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On October 19 2013 07:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 07:04 syllogism wrote:
Sn0_man isn't a good vig target tonight. Can we calm down and not do anything hasty? Who is then?
any lurker
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"but guys don't medic me cz i'm town"
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also grack isn't his partner SS, grack isn't in slytherin
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On October 19 2013 19:08 LastArgument wrote:
Holyflare, you are significantly less active than the towngames of yours that I have looked at, what gives?
How is that even true?
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