EPT@Suess,
I'm curious on why you think Nyx is town though.
His 5? post consist of nothing but pretty much the same statement.
I'm less than sold on the idea.
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OdinOfPergo
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@Suess, I'm curious on why you think Nyx is town though. His 5? post consist of nothing but pretty much the same statement. I'm less than sold on the idea. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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I just got home and I 100% agree with the Istand point. He votes for himself. He just doesn't even want to play this game. ##unvote I will re-read this thread from 14. Since I only really had a brief moment to scim it since I've been home. Alls I can point to at this point from my scim through is: I still don't like July. And sorry Seuss; I really don't like Nyx's post still. Although I think you mentioned this. I will pull quotes and piece together a case for my lynch vote. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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You complain about a lack of details. Yet you don't ask any questions. On October 15 2013 07:39 July617 wrote: Well here I am again, sorry I had a long sleep today, Odin I think your reads are good reads are strong, I can see why you pegged me as possible scum, I was just trying to talk and move things along but with that said yeah I should of added more onto my post's and contributed/clarified/spoke-up with ideas of my own. My own personal reads ? I don't really have confidence in anyone as of yet, I mean I know a good chunk of us are town but none of the post's here give much info (Besides mitt and playerboy going at each other . which is weird ) like i said again in a previous post we should be talking more but like E00e said we'll have a hard time finding mafia without actual evidence to back it up . So i've really got nothing so far. I'm just trying to read everyone safely and calmly. On October 15 2013 18:11 July617 wrote: @seuss I'll give you that , my past five posts over and over again have been the pretty much the same thing, only because I really don't have an idea of who I should focus my attention to. Yes istandwithmitt is an easy lynch because of how he's acting but I believe there are better lynches out there. As to who ? I'm not so sure, I wish i could say SagaZ but he could just be playing bad town . And Whether it is bad town play or he's secretly mafia, I can't lean to either side without an explanation from him . So you actually do think that wasting a vote on Istand is a worthless vote. You're pretty much admitting to just taking the easy vote? The Nyx statement at the end was just a very brief rehashing mixed with a "Oh look, I'm helping" Nyx's one liners are the same use of Instands at this point to me. The only thing he hasn't done is post anything but them. On October 16 2013 05:46 July617 wrote: U.S timezone's people, give me a break, this is day 1 here, day one and we've had four players being called for a lynch and a mighty big bandwagon going on with mitt nyx and vothin, with the exception of vothin right now, yes nyx and mitt do seem like viable choices, but are your reads really that sure that they're mafia? We could be lynching bad town and losing votes we may need later on down the road, I'd like to not have a reason to vote for mitt, but the way he's acting will only worsen with time. I'd like to believe that it will worsen with time but I really don't know, and I have to go with the fact's here and the fact's are that we need the town as strong and as trusted as can be if we're going to want to win, having bad and erratic play isn't helping us . That's my opinion on the matter. ##Vote istandwithmitt Nyx dont pressure vote, pressure voting is how mafia infiltrates peoples ranks, just explain yourself more, and be exact and absolute with your points. Everything short of reading what you seriously already posted? Did you read the two and a half pages before it? "Oh his post are worse than mine" If this is true why are you still around? Why is Nyx getting the nice crumble of a supposed tip? Why do you choose mitt over Vontin? Are you trying to pull the weight off your scum buddy? I don't like this. Vonthin is a strong lynch for the town right now. You could of gone from one no poster to another. I only remember a few post that got brought up. ##vote July617 On October 16 2013 07:14 July617 wrote: Seus, I have nothing left to give you, Im bashing my head on the desk trying to figure out what I can do to make you see that I am town . I explained my vote on mitt and yet you still seem to believe i'm mafia, even going as far as saying you'd bet your "virtual life" on it . I don't know what to say, I've tried explaining myself but you just continue to call it useless and meaningless, if that's how you see it then so be it . I have nothing else to say to you because It seems like your stuck on this tirade of me being mafia, you asked me for my opinion and i gave it to you . Yeah I jumped on the bandwagon, because at this point mitt is no use to us as a town player, he continues to write even less then myself and he doesn't seem to care anymore, why are we keeping him around then? You're saying he's contributed more than me ? I'm doing what you asked me to do in your previous post, I gave my opinion and now i'm getting attacked again by you for the one thing you wanted me to do . | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Here, I actually already got started on this when I re-read the thread. I don't like it really but I lack enough time to to much about it right now. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Ok, this is pretty much where I left off anyway. So picking up here. I already point out that all of Nyx's post don't contain pretty much any content. On October 15 2013 05:09 Seuss wrote: At the time nyxnyxnyx wanted to blindly follow you the discussion that was going on was chaotic, without purpose, and generally a mass of confusion and bad assumptions on all sides. Killing the conversation so that we could move on to actually hunting scum needed to happen. It is slightly suspect. It's possible both you and he are actually mafia, and he's just chiming in to increase confidence in your authenticity. However, so long as I think you're a townie and contributing positively to the game, nyxnyxnyx is also likely a townie because as a mafia he wouldn't gain anything by killing a disruptive conversation or following the lead of a proactive townie. On October 15 2013 12:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote: ##Vote: istandwithmitt On October 16 2013 00:20 nyxnyxnyx wrote: I don't actually think istandwithmitt is mafia, although he is a bad poster. Unfortunately I'll miss out on last few hours because Asian time zone OP. Good luck guys! I've missed a few pretty important discuss here. Why would you still blindly follow me at this point? I haven't even had the chance to share my opinion at this point. Which Bereft pointed out. On October 16 2013 00:43 nyxnyxnyx wrote: Because Odin probably knows how to play this game better than I do and he's voting for him right now. On October 16 2013 01:38 nyxnyxnyx wrote: EBWOP ##unvote ##vote Vonthin | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Do I like that, no. If I'm not going to lynch Istand for it though what makes you different? You aren't even posting some crumby defense that I can work at. | ||
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Lacking that, I figure in the 20 minutes until the end of day 1 he'll be dead anyway. Unless half of the people on him change their votes last minute. I doubt this. Frankly I think he's given way more reason for the lynch over Nyx or Istand. Neither of them post anything. Meanwhile we have July and Vonthin who just have a few post spread out that all contain shotty arguments that I think are just trying to shift blame away from themselves. July I really don't understand because he's "defending" himself when there isn't even heat there. I don't understand this at all. Vonthin does. But like I said, He's dead, will flip scum, and then I get to grill you about it. | ||
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I don't think Vonthin's argument is worth it's weight in salt. But I realize he's dead and I want to pull attention to this for when he flips red. | ||
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This is going to be a problem. When we have town defending themselves like this. Ok so, Bereft and Suess make a point about Istand being either an obvious troll, or an extremely bad townie. Vonthin follows this with a Istand vote half a page later. That got you some attention. Which could probably have been negated with a better explaination than this: + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2013 23:20 Vonthin wrote: I did read your post and Suess' posts Here is reasons why I voted for him 1. He is super quick to jump the gun to lynch someone, votes after seeing SagaZ's very first post saying we should lynch inactive 2. His very next post he switches and votes for playerboy by saying he posts nothing worthwhile(he has some point here, a good portion of his posts don't say much besides i agree with x but a lot of those posts came after he voted against him) 3. Makes shit posts saying things like "Good poast" after someone votes against him, then just proceeds to argue poorly trying to justify his voting and being 2 confrontational plus no real analysis. He seems the scummiest to me, there are some people that seem scummy but nothing as glaring as him. I am still contemplating switching my vote to Nyx but want to see another post or two from him. Reasons for thinking he is scum so far: Hasn't said almost anything besides that he is gonna blindly follow Odin when he isn't a confirmed town and that odin has a plan because we don't have one the townies auto lose! Then he just posts once more saying he is voting for Mitt and nothing else I feel like we could of avioded this mislynch if Vonthin didn't defend his position with 3 short winded points. One of which was just flat out wrong. Istand didn't make any arguments. The most he said was one liners basically translating to; "I will vote for whoever I deemed scum and don't really care to explain how I have come to this conclusion." The last paragraph could have been a good start at just this. Nyx isn't contributing anything more than this. He's not even contributing the statement about not caring to explain himself. Simply a strait refusal to do so thus far. And then Suess follows suit with this as a scum read with other's and this bandwagon starts to gain weight. Obviously people don't see you're explaination as a valid excuse. So what are you going to do about it? You change you're vote to Nyx shortly after this. You come back 2 and a half hours later with a single paragraph that gave us this: In lamest terms: "I am going to change my vote to Nyx for the same reason I had it on Istand" followed by "It was an ez vote" "Now I'm off to work! Bye and I hope I don't die!" + Show Spoiler + On October 16 2013 04:13 Vonthin wrote: Did you read his past couple of posts? Looks like Mittgave up and will most likely be mod killed, even if he isn't gonna be mod killed there isn't a point in killing him today since we pretty much know everything about him and nyx started to look really scummy to me so I switched to him like I said I would if I saw someone who looked scummier than mitt, nyx looks incapable of forming an opinion for himself and just follows everyone else which doesn't really seem like a thing a townie would do. On October 16 2013 04:19 Vonthin wrote: Also one of the reasons(not that good of a reason tho imo) I initially voted for Mitt at the time was that I wasn't sure I would have time to be on and cast a vote before the deadline and he seemed like an alright choice at the time since everyone else voted and no one looked scummy enough to warrant a vote yet. Anyways I have to go to work now and won't be back till late tonight unless I have time to check on my phone, hopefully I'm not hanged but it looks like I am just for disagreeing with a stupid rng plan and then hoping on an obvious bandwagon that people were starting to get off :/ I'm taking this as a wake up call for town. We have July,Nyx,Istand, and now previously Vonthin posting for the most part nothing or very weak arguments. We need to talk a lot more. I'm not going to accept blind faith on things from this point on. We all knew the commitment in joining this. If you can't spend an hour or so reading and coming up with a reason for your viewpoints, I'm going to assume it's because your scum. On that note, I would really appreciate to hear from July, Nyx, and Istand if he has any intention to continue playing. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Could you answer any of the questions on my post found on the bottom of page 18? The only thing your post is giving me is that you believe Mitt is just bad townie (Which was a point that was beaten on for several pages.) And then rehashing what everyone else has already said to do. Could you follow your own advice here and give us your reads? @Nyx, 1) You still don't answer any of the questions brought up for you. You wanted to bandwagon behind my vote early because you weren't sure. People didn't like this defense but it snuck by under the radar for the most part due to Suess suggestion behind what your motives might of been. After I was missing from this thread for the better part of the second half of D1, this argument doesn't hold water with me anymore. I haven't even been online to give an opinion on the new situation. Why still blindly follow my choice despite all the new information in the thread? 2) But you said: On October 16 2013 00:20 nyxnyxnyx wrote: I don't actually think istandwithmitt is mafia, although he is a bad poster. Unfortunately I'll miss out on last few hours because Asian time zone OP. Good luck guys! So why waste the vote? You are about to go to sleep so why don't you put your vote on your strongest scum read before doing so? Why leave it on him at this point? Of course this is assuming you've made any reads at all. Because if you have, you sure haven't shared them with the rest of us. 3) Why didn't you question Vonthin on why he thought you were scum? Right now I think you're scummy. Does that mean your next post is going to consist of a vote for me with no explanation to it? You're under a lot of suspicious because you don't really tell us anything about your reasoning. | ||
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On October 17 2013 02:42 istandwithmitt wrote: Pls you dont need to curse. I just want you guys to try & look at things that are scummy rather than getting in big rants about how people don't post enough. ggtemplar is talking about how its a good thing to lynch someone you think is town (hint: it never is) & this is from someone who has been convinced I'm scummy all game. He then justifies that "if I am town" (hint: he has been saying that he thinks I'm scum all game) that I'm still a good lynch. Basically, he's pushing a lynch on someone a lot of people think is town & then preparing for when I flip town but justifying it as a good lynch. Basically, he's going to get a townie lynched but no worries, it was a good thing for a town! I think ggtemplar knows I'm town & is trying to hedge his position for when I flip town. Well, see ya. This is a good response btw Istand. I can see it from Templar's stance though aswell. This is like the first post you've actually gave any inkling on how you actually think. You gave us your point of view, and now people can roll that though around in their head. Will have to wait for a few more post though. I'm not just going to instantly write off all your previous post because of this one. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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I can realize this which is why I asked him to explain his posts. Because my previous read I posted about him is no convincing to me. Although with Vonthin flipping town I'm not so sure anymore if he's scummy or just failing to properly explain himself in a way that I can understand. Nyx's is giving us nothing, how can you expect me to group him as anything other than scum? | ||
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On October 17 2013 03:37 onlywonderboy wrote: The more I think about it, I feel like nyx has been playing a weak town rather than strong mafia. His voting was weird, but other than that he hasn't done anything particularly scummy. He hasn't given us much to work with, but that could be a symptom of being a newer player rather than hiding in the shadows (a trap I fell into my first game). You could use this as a rallying point to get a lynch going knowing he's just playing a weak town and look innocent because other people agree he didn't contribute much. I single you out because a you are active and I think a lot of people think you are pro town and thus listen to what you have to say. This is something that happened to me last game and played a big role in the towns defeat. The main problem I have with Nyx is the fact that his post lack any content. If you glance back over right before the end of day 1, I mention that I'm also not willing to lynch him for that fact. If I'm not going to assume Istand is for sure scum for the same style of posting, how can I assume it for sure on Nyx? This stops me from voting for him but I'm still going to try to get some pressure on him to step it up. I'm sure you remember the flurry of crap Istand got for this. His latest post are actually attempting to remedy this to an extent. Why can't I pressure Nyx and hope for the same? Right now especially, since people are pairing me with his lack of content. I've spent this whole game being fairly open about how and why I view players the way I do. If he had posted any sort of thoughts on why he was following me maby I wouldn't mind this as much. What else, other than probe for answers, can I do? (This doesn't mean I think very highly of either of them. Simply that I can't really deem either as for sure mafia.) + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 03:59 July617 wrote: EBWOP : Fucked up on the page placement . sorry guys . Here were my reads and reasoning, I voted for mitt because of the fact that he was written off day one with his own post's; yes admittedly they had more stronger of a case then myself but they were still bad IMO. As the day went on I started seeing the voltin votes going through, but i chose mitt in the end because he was IMO a bad town, he was playing like it and although now it's night one and he's still the same. Save us all the headaches and deal with it like we should of night SagaZ what do you think about Templar as of now ? Do you agree with his reasoning on pg 18 of why we should vote for mitt? I was assumed to be attempting to fly under the radar with the voltin votes what if i asked you the same thing, do you think you flew under the radar of suspicion, the only one here 100% town is seus, I know we'd all like to develop a town circle but it's always best to stay on your toes don't you think ? I'd also like to here from the rest of the town on SagaZ and your reads on him. Expanding my thought's later I'd like to hear the answer's first . Ok July, I'm going to change my perspective on this and look at it from yours. You're pushing into this from a point of "Well, I don't have any 100% scum reads, and nothing else has been posted to fully convince me of any. This being the case, I'm going to vote Istand because even if he's town he's just dead weight." I only understand this off the basis that you don't find anyone else's arguments for lynches worth following. I don't really understand why you would just ignore them then. Why not try to post critisism on them if you questioned their reasoning? Wouldn't that be better for the town anyway? | ||
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