EPThowever in the event that you can't convince anyone, Sagaz I'd recommend you switch your vote to Vonthin because otherwise you are 100% throwing away your vote.
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however in the event that you can't convince anyone, Sagaz I'd recommend you switch your vote to Vonthin because otherwise you are 100% throwing away your vote. | ||
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Between Vonthin and Mitt, who do you feel is the stronger lynch candidate? | ||
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On October 16 2013 11:05 iamperfection wrote:  are you even allowed to post in here you observer you | ||
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that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz? my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around. on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight >< | ||
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also, I have been roleblocked. | ||
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I just read the mafiascum wiki for C9±±. I believe we are in a TTT setup. 2 goons + mafia role blocker, 1 SK. no godfather. wiki also tells me 50% of setups include an SK. my earlier vig comment was silly. | ||
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On October 17 2013 12:15 Bereft wrote: my gut reaction is mafia killed Odin and SK killed playerboy. but I need to go to bed so I'll read their filters tomorrow... so to expand on my gut reaction from last night, i still believe odin was the mafia hit and playerboy was the SK hit. odin was a far more aggressive and active townie than playerboy, and had less doubt cast upon his actions than did playerboy. the only way mafia would've chosen playerboy over odin is if they were confident his reaction was a cop slip, but personally i feel one would have to be quite experienced at mafia to detect this (if anyone disagrees let me know). this then begs the question: why odin instead of seuss, myself, or even e00e [if they believed he slipped cop]? i can understand if they thought the doc might save seuss or if they were somewhat skeptical of e00e. why odin then instead of me? not to be full of myself, but between me and odin, it seemed i had morre town cred on d1/n1. GGTemplar, Sagaz both explicitly state i'm their town reads (though GGTemplar later retracts this somewhat). i think Seuss either explicitly states or implies the same on d1/n1. playerboy implies a similar mentality when he follows my vote on Vonthin immediately. as far as Odin goes, nyx, GGTemplar, and E00e give him townish reads, with GGTemplar telling me that i'm a townier read than Odin: On October 16 2013 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Although I dislike your quick followup post throwing July617 into the batch of your highest scum reads with Vonthin and myself (mainly because it seemed like a pretty weak read after your explanation of why you think Vonthin and I are mafia), I am honestly reading you more town than OdinOfPergo because the information, reads, and reasoning behind your reads are much more clearly presented and concise. so the fact that odin was a larger threat than me means that odin had caught the right scent, mafia is risk averse and thinks i could be protected somehow, or killing me could somehow be tied back to one of them. i'm not sure how this ties to specific actions in this game yet (still thinking about it), but wanted to put this out there in case in triggered anything in the rest of you. seuss, i'm not sure if i agree with some of your town reads [such as the quick town read on OWB], but for these i am in line with you: e00e:i was initially in the camp that believed e00e was cop. HOWEVER, coming out of n1, i am now far more skeptical. if there was a chance e00e might be cop, why didn't mafia roleblock him? this makes me now believe there's a decent chance he's scum. balla: i've gotten more suspicious of his play as the game progressed, but his first few posts of d2 really stuck out to me. in particular, this one: On October 17 2013 13:02 Balla24 wrote: I guess that's helpful, but not really.. as its just how the game works, and irrelevant to whether it's T or TTT. Seuss i'd prefer you comment on the night kills and what you think they mean. Who would do them and why? What do you think about the E00/playerboy topic? Does your previous scum read on July/SagaZ/nyx (i know some of the reads are weak and also some are possibly non-existant now, but still relevant) fit with the kills (I.E. do you think july would kill odin who was suspicious of him even though it would clearly cast suspicion on him)? this seems like really weird behavior from a townie for me. as town: i come back to the thread and see 2 kills have happened in the night --> i start reevaluating my reads, postulating what may have happened, start applying pressure on my scum reads, etc. balla on the other hand starts picking at seuss' brain. maybe i'm off with this one, but why would you do this as town?? you should be primarily concerned with figuring out what this information reveals to you. why would you defer to someone else for their reads immediately? most times, the act of asking someone what they think about certain characters is to figure out if their thought process is a town-oriented or mafia-oriented one. why do you immediately start picking at the brain of the one, confirmed townie?? the only reason one would do this as town is if you are a sheep and are looking at seuss for guidance. but so far, none of balla's actions have betrayed sheeping tendencies. so this seems like a constructed effort to seem helpful and inquisitive. | ||
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as scum, every single person you are questioning you already KNOW is town or scum. ergo, i think it much easier in this scum mental framework to make the mistake of not thinking twice and prodding the one established townie. it just makes no sense to do this (in the way he does) as town. therefore, for now i'll be voting balla. ##Vote: Balla24 however, if most of you see balla's actions as something reasonable for a townie to do / something you would do yourself, i will reevaluate. | ||
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On October 18 2013 10:18 July617 wrote: Sorry guys, quick post - long day, need a shower. Bereft that's a good framework of thinking, i'm just asking questions here, but if the same were said about you what's your defense to that? Balla I hope you've got a defense as well . this post is bizarre. why would I post a rebuttal to my own case? to do so would only feed Balla material for his own defense. I did explicitly state that if fellow townies disagreed with me and felt that they could see themselves doing the same thing to let me know. what's your opinion on this? do YOU think it's a scum slip or a justified course of action for town? | ||
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