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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#2693
The fact that you're not posting your case now is bad town play at best. It helps scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 16:40 GMT
#2695
Have you finished your case Risen? Like, is it ready to be posted at your discretion?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 16:50 GMT
#2697
Yeah but in case I die I'd prefer to be more/less certain on Risen and offer my perspective -.-
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:02 GMT
#2702
On October 11 2013 01:58 Risen wrote:
No it isn't finished. I hadn't planned on finishing it until tonight, I didn't think about people giving their thoughts. I'll post my notes.


Like, explain this to me because you did this when it came to rayn as well.

How are you so certain in a case that isn't even finished yet?
I've had plenty of times where I start making a case feeling confident and then by the end I reread it and it's not convincing in the slightest.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:04 GMT
#2704
Thanks for making a tl;dr of my filter risen, but seriously, where is your case?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:08 GMT
#2706
Like, can you just point out the 3-4 things that convince you of me being scum, rather than calling everything I've done in my life scummy? Do you really not learn that this isn't how you make a convincing case?

I've tried reading it 3x now but I can't even be bothered to read the whole thing
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:11 GMT
#2707
On October 11 2013 02:07 Risen wrote:
Yup, here we go. I literally just fucking explained my case wasn't finished but posted my notes so people could give thoughts on them because a case this big is going to take a long time because I wrote them READING THROUGH THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME and all you have to say is thanks for summarizing?

I began entertaining a HF scum because of his hedge on that last page in spite of your scummy let's talk about NKs earlier and you do that. Nope


I'm sorry that you only had like 16-18 hours to make the case that you said was really convincing
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:14 GMT
#2710
On October 11 2013 02:12 Risen wrote:
End of day 1 avoidance of Rayn until you couldn't anymore because you were clearly in thread and he was going to die d2
Sheeping marv all game
Discrediting everything preemptively
Trying to soft push nearly everyone this game and never actually pushing anything, clear sign of scum


Okay, now we're talking.

I didn't avoid rayn, I expressed very clearly that I didn't want him lynched. That's a pretty hard stance, no?
As marv has pointed out waaaaay early, I sheep marv as town. How does this make me scum?
"Discrediting everything preemptively"... you mean "gives his opinion on stuff"? How does that make me scum?
Soft pushing... again give me an example. Because believe it or not, townies sometimes say "I'm not certain on this guys alignment"
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:16 GMT
#2711
I just realized your massive text blogs on HF and marv are basically cases on them as well.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:24 GMT
#2715
On October 11 2013 02:18 Risen wrote:
1) Sure, until you last second vote him. Why not keep your vote on sloosh where you've been expressing suspicion all game? Why rayn who you've been hard defending and trying to move people onto me or sloosh? Because you had to. It was literally the only way for you to get to the endgame was by bussing because rayn was going to get lynched day 2 for trying to no lynch

2) You also say really early, but then I'd do that as scum lolololol. This is part of point number 3 where you hedge and call yourself out on everything in the hopes that no one will afterward be able to point it out

3) No, it isn't just giving opinion. It's beyond demoralizing, it's you saying nah that's stupid and don't listen to that point before anyone can make it. Why are you so concerned with preemptively defending yourself from things? Why are you so afraid of the appearance of scumminess

4) Sloosh d1 soft pushed all day, me d1 soft pushed all day, HF soft pushed for a while now, me continued soft pushed for the whole game.


I'm making a big post to respond but

1), it was clearly to make a lynch happen and I was not confident in the rayn lynch at all.
2) marv said I sheeped him as town I pointed out I would as scum too cause it's the truth. I was much less certain about marv's alignment at the time and it seemed like a weird thing to say
3) You're gonna have to like, quote posts and point this out.
4) Your definition of soft pushing is broken.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:27 GMT
#2716
I'm gonna answer every question in your case from memory. I'm not going to enjoy this but if you're somehow not scum I need you to see that I'm town because there's no way in hell you're being nightkilled.

+ Show Spoiler +
Opening post don't know how he can think HF is town and that sloosh are town here, says BH is not a lynch candidate today. Says he needs to wait to see what I am based on what my scumreads are. Calls out Oats, but doesn't actually call out Oats as scum because meta. For some reason says Oats is town b/c pressure on HF but that doesn't apply to me? Trying to buddy Oats? I didn't recognize what you did as pressure but I did recognize what Oats did, that's not difficult to see
Something interesting here. Clarity has just called sloosh town, and then a couple posts later he says he doesn't find sloosh town. Feels the need to justify his feelings. That's scummy. Says he's eager to play but the game doesn't have much meat. Not much meat? There's a lot of meat here. You have people voting, people calling other scum or town there is a really good amount of stuff to go on here and instead he sits around doing nothing because there's not enough meat. Why is he sitting in thread doing nothing waiting for other people to do something? There wasn't much to the game at that point, I had commented on everything I found to be useful/worth mentioning This is blending. That's scummy. Sheeps onto Dirk. It's really bugging me that he called himself out for an earlier thing, though. Why are you preemptively defending yourself? Not defending myself, just realized in rereading that my townread on sloosh was bad
Clarity sheeps marv on Dirk. Why didn't you see this in the first place? I was thinking and marv jumped on it quickly. In fact I admit that's why I asked marv why he felt like immediately dropping a vote before reading the whole post
Clarity supersheep mode activated. No contribution, just parroting marv.
What the? Only now that marv is actually having a conversation with dirk do you ask why marv found the vote opportunistic? Because dirk pointed it out, I didn't notice it at the time You literally just saw his reasoning and said, yeah that sounds good to me. That's shady as shit. Are you preparing for a Dirk lynch and him to flip as town by expressing doubt?
Clarity brings up sloosh, someone who has very little posting to go off of and what has been posted was already discussed. Why aren't you leading the conversation on sloosh here? Why aren't you contributing yourself? There is a pattern of sheep, sheep, sheep, blend, blend, blend. That's scummy as shit. Sloosh wasn't around there was nothing to go on
Clarity calls out a contradiction that isn't there. Really feels like he was sitting there and as soon as he saw something he pounced without thinking it through. Where is the town motivation to do something like that? There's plenty of scum motivation to do so, though. The contradiction post was more of a joke. I don't remember what oats said but it was about me and it was wrong, and he said that right after he said he read the thread. I was implying he didn't, as usual
Clarity once again preemptively defends himself by saying if he was scum he would sheep marv. Why even say that?
Clarity says long posts are cool.
Clarity pushing Dirk pretty damn hard.
This clarity/rayn back and forth seems really pushed. Like hey clarity back and forth with me in thread so it looks like I'm contributing explain this better rather than just saying things.
I make my case on Clarity
Clarity's defense isn't really a defense. It's like he's scummarizing everything I said. He even says yes to some of the things I call him on. The thinjg that sticks out to me most is his sheep of rayn here. Rayn now with a town read on me and Clarity with a read that leaves himself open to go either way and follow rayn or not.
Rayn starts pressuring Clarity and all of a sudden just backs down.
Clarity again tries to broach the subject of a sloosh lynch. He really doesn't like sloosh. He must really want sloosh lynched. Sloosh even calls him on it.
BH comes in and starts up a rayn lynch, Clarity immediately begins to pressure Dirk some more right after BH has just said he won't support a Dirk lynch for the day.
Clarity says rayn is the easy lynch. The easy lynch? Yes, he had barely posted or done shit, it was close to being a lurker lynch. If rayn was town he was the easy mislynch to push
Clarity starts backing down from his pressure on Dirk. How convenient that Dirk receives an endorsement from BH and you start falling off. Pretty sure I expressed my willingness to move elsewhere before marv/BH
Looks like Sloosh should be Clarity's push then.
More back and forth on rayn. Yeah sure I could lynch rayn, but then ehh I'll just figure him out later.
Clarity really trying to make the appearance that him and marv are on the same page. As was pointed out earlier, town Clarity and marv are always on the same page right guys? Right? Right.
Clarity and marv make almost identical posts right here.
Clarity and marv make almost identical posts right here.
Man, they must be thinking really similar. Something that bugs me, though, is that Clarity keeps bringing this up when really anyone who is around should be making the exact same points these two are making.
So Clarity is asking someone he had a scum read on to join the wagon of justice against sloosh, the person he's slowly been building up to this whole time without blatantly saying it.
?!MGKRLEGKmn$ETGNMELTGNKE$LGNK HOW DID I MISS THIS!? Clarity calls rayn on the point that makes rayn scum to me. Instead of pressuring rayn on this, though, he provides rayn a way to come back off it by shifting things to ME.
Rayn and Clarity having a small mini discussion while Clarity is missing the glaringly obvious that rayn should not have had a town read like that. Clarity himself says Risen would do that as either alignment, why are you not calling Rayn out here? WHY?
You don't find it scummy that rayn is trying to protect me by using a 3P game as evidence of my towniness? Really? Like how is this not screaming "LYNCH RAYN"
Clarity defends HF from rayn, though. Why? Are you afraid that your partner is going to get lynched and need to find something outside a vote that will allow you to say "damn see look here I was coming around to him being scum"
Clarity again does this. Doesn't vote rayn
Clarity sheeps marv's "rayn won't be lynched today by me" point completely setting up a "oh damn I liked what marv had to say about the situation so much I dropped everything I had begun feeling about rayn"
I say I'm writing up a case on rayn and he says are you writing a case on me. To me that says Clarity is afraid I've found something and wants to get the jump on it. He's so paranoid it's going to be about him that he doesn't consider it being on anyone else.
Preemptively deflecting my case.
Says the dumbest, most infuriating thing someone can say to me after I've just explained what I was saying "I dunno, you tell us." I'm getting mad sitting here reading it again. It quite clearly means that rayn is scum because he doesn't care where his vote goes as long as marv leads it so he can later say "Oh marv placed my vote not me". Now that people are saying I have good points at the second half though you conveniently aren't responding to them. Marv at least responded to the very relevant points I brought up on rayn. I don't know how I missed all this. Sloosh and HF are talking about the points I brought up, marv is talking about my points, why aren't you talking about rayn? Why are you avoiding rayn so much?
You sheep marv here but don't vote for BH in spite of marv and sloosh being on him at this point. Why? Then you defend BH while simultaneously pushing me.
Like Clarity what happened to your scum reads? Suddenly you're asking who's more likely to flip scum of me and Oats? Is it a coincidence that we are the two people outside sloosh who have pushed you at some point this game?
I don't think Clarity looks good post-doctor claim.
Clarity is back to pushing sloosh.
Just kidding the pressure is back on me. How convenient considering that the person you've been slow rolling so hard is going to flip town and you'll look super scummy. There's me, though, who other people have been expressing doubt about. If there's a definition of opportunistic push Clarity is it here.
You can't explain how a scum marv would do that? I can. Easily. Do I think a scum marv would? I guess not, but I know he could do it. A town Clarity should know marv would be capable of it. A scum Clarity who knows marv is town would say something like that, though.
Scum use emoticons.
How good did that feel Clarity? How good, after you had been soft pushing me forever, did it feel when Sloosh voted me. It must have felt insanely good. Nevermind it's coming from the person you have your vote on, that's enough to covince you that I'm the proper lynch. Clarity doesn't want to overcommit to a mislynch, though, that would make him appear scummy. Instead he asks other people if they're down with lynching me.
Rayn isn't happening. In spite of the fact that rayn has more votes than me and people are discussing a rayn lynch, rayn isn't happening. It isn't happening? Or you don't want it to happen. Like HF says he's down with a rayn lynch here, you know BH is down, and that makes 3. So how do you stop a rayn lynch? You flat out say rayn isn't happening and pray.
Then you ask rayn in thread sloosh or Risen. At this point rayn has more support for a lynch than me and the thing that convinced you to lynch me is coming from your top scum read. How am I the only one who's caught this? So you are wavering on sloosh, but you're totally willing to lynch me who you simpoly consider a liability? WHAT?! LOOK AT THIS
Clarity sees the opportunity to lynch me and set up a sloosh lynch d2 and so he tries to start up a last second train. That would mean rayn and him would get 4 KP off and just win d3 since they now know who the doctor is.
Clarity sees rayn trying to cause a no lynch here and is still pressuring me. Why? How do you see what rayn is doing and say, yeah that dude is totally not scum over Risen. And sloosh from earlier is suddenly dropping off for Risen.
HOW IS NO ONE SEEING CLARITY IN ALL THIS!? HE JUST VOTED SLOOSH OVER RAYN!
Sloosh consolidates onto me and Clarity sees that with a no lynch today, rayn is gone tomorrow. Clarity sees that marv is not moving his vote. He knows how bad it's going to look for him when rayn flips scum. There's nothing left to do, he busses his teammate.
Clarity is openly mad in thread following rayn flip. Is he mad because he genuinely doesn't want to play with rayn or because rayn just got himself lynched and now Clarity is all alone. So is all that anger post-flip genuine anger that rayn got himself lynched.
How does BH come away with Clarity being town through that? He even says in the same sentence that rayn and Clarity near simultaneously voted sloosh.
No BH, Clarity couldn't do that, because he would in effect be declaring himself FOR a no lynch.
Clarity prepping himself for sloosh flip by saying "damn sloosh's death post was super sincere I just don't knowwwww"
Really clarity? You really want to lynch sloosh? Because before the flip of rayn you were wavering on sloosh. This inconsistency seems like super bullshit to me. Clarity isn't hardly pushing anything outside of defending rayn.
Almost nothing has changed pre-flip to post-flip and here is Clarity sheeping marv again.
Why are you buddying marv here instead of pointing out how not pro-town an ultimatum it is for marv to be making?
Why are you acting like I'm supposed to have a 100% scum read here? The only people with perfect information are scum. Why didn't I catch this earlier?
Look, you're trying to misrepresent something, marv calls you on it, and you crawl back into sheeping marv.
Hahaha, funny that you're using things to point to a scum sloosh at the end of d1 when if anyone would actually read the end of day 1 you come out looking the MOST scummy by far.
How are you way more confident in a sloosh lynch Clarity when just prior to lynch you were wavering. This makes NO SENSE. And you have a town read on marv? Color me shocked.
Well thank god you're so certain now on sloosh, because it looks to me like you're leaving yourself open to Oats or Risen should something arise.
What have you done with any sort of certainty beyond try and save rayn until you couldn't any longer this game?
HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS TO HOLYFLARES POST?! Just earlier you were musing out loud about how you would probably lynch BH if he was alive day 2!!!
Once again leaving the door open to lynch me down the road here. He says I called all three of the people not on sloosh scum and that I imply sloosh is town. No, that's not what it was at all. This is Clarity preparing for sloosh townflip.
Calls me out for not discussing sloosh when it's more Risen isn't really discussing anyone at all because I've been busy as shit. Why are you fingering one person?
More Clarity flailing attempting to poke holes that simply aren't there. He's posting just to post and appear active.
Boom marv comes in with a town read on me and suddenly Clarity is back to "yeah Risen totes town"
Why do you think I'm town Clarity? You aren't actually saying.
Just kidding we're back to hedging and why do you want to lynch Risen Oats?
Clarity just posted that he was willing to say fuck it and lynch marv because doubt factor not because he finds him scummy. That just happened.
Another defense of me. Who do you actually find scummy? Why do you literally defend everyone? Is it because you know everyone else is scum? The only people you don't seem to defend are the people everyone else wants to lynch.
Clarity sees the town reads starting to pile on me so he needs to set up someone for the next two lynches. The candidates as he says them are Dirk and suddenly we have some suspicion of HF. Let's see if he goes anywhere with it or waits to see if someone else picks it up.
Clarity hedging against a potential Dirk flip here to make it look like he was totally beginning to see the light. Do you know Dirk is town?
You'd like to think you're obviously town? And what have you done outside sheep everything, push nothing to make you look that way?
Clarity tries calling me out for suspecting people when there's only one scum left. So? What if I'm wrong? That means I need to stop my hunting? That means I need to stop sharing my thought process? Why are you trying to shut down my discussion?
Umm... what Clarity? The nice thing about only one scum left is that you can blindly believe marv on HF being town right after you've said you're starting to suspect HF?
How many times is Clarity going to say he's town while just sheeping marv?
HF was just on Clarity's probably scum list and all of a sudden it's lynch dirk/Risen to win the game. What happened? No one posted a defense, no one said anything beyond marv saying HF is simply town and that's it.
And we see why Clarity would shoot Oats now. In spite of having a meh read on HF and a town read on me, he has a total town read on marv and is willing to sheep marv's reads entirely. So lynch dirk, then lynch risen. Ez life indeed.
But wait! HF isn't actually town, no you're just "plugging your ears" so you can potentially mislynch him depending on who you choose to take into the final day.
More casting of suspicion on HF? Color me shocked.
How convenient that a potential bus by you is covered by marv knowing about your past play since he was in that game.
Hey look, you're trying to convince someone you've been hedging for a while now to lynch me over marv. Here's the issue, though... how do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch? How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?
Why are you defending marv so hard? No townie should be defending an unflipped person more than one person has expressed doubts about so hard.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:30 GMT
#2718
I'm gonna answer every question in your case from memory. I'm not going to enjoy this but if you're somehow not scum I need you to see that I'm town because there's no way in hell you're being nightkilled.

+ Show Spoiler +
Opening post don't know how he can think HF is town and that sloosh are town here, says BH is not a lynch candidate today. Says he needs to wait to see what I am based on what my scumreads are. Calls out Oats, but doesn't actually call out Oats as scum because meta. For some reason says Oats is town b/c pressure on HF but that doesn't apply to me? Trying to buddy Oats? I didn't recognize what you did as pressure but I did recognize what Oats did, that's not difficult to see
Something interesting here. Clarity has just called sloosh town, and then a couple posts later he says he doesn't find sloosh town. Feels the need to justify his feelings. That's scummy. Says he's eager to play but the game doesn't have much meat. Not much meat? There's a lot of meat here. You have people voting, people calling other scum or town there is a really good amount of stuff to go on here and instead he sits around doing nothing because there's not enough meat. Why is he sitting in thread doing nothing waiting for other people to do something? There wasn't much to the game at that point, I had commented on everything I found to be useful/worth mentioning This is blending. That's scummy. Sheeps onto Dirk. It's really bugging me that he called himself out for an earlier thing, though. Why are you preemptively defending yourself? Not defending myself, just realized in rereading that my townread on sloosh was bad
Clarity sheeps marv on Dirk. Why didn't you see this in the first place? I was thinking and marv jumped on it quickly. In fact I admit that's why I asked marv why he felt like immediately dropping a vote before reading the whole post
Clarity supersheep mode activated. No contribution, just parroting marv.
What the? Only now that marv is actually having a conversation with dirk do you ask why marv found the vote opportunistic? Because dirk pointed it out, I didn't notice it at the time You literally just saw his reasoning and said, yeah that sounds good to me. That's shady as shit. Are you preparing for a Dirk lynch and him to flip as town by expressing doubt?
Clarity brings up sloosh, someone who has very little posting to go off of and what has been posted was already discussed. Why aren't you leading the conversation on sloosh here? Why aren't you contributing yourself? There is a pattern of sheep, sheep, sheep, blend, blend, blend. That's scummy as shit. Sloosh wasn't around there was nothing to go on
Clarity calls out a contradiction that isn't there. Really feels like he was sitting there and as soon as he saw something he pounced without thinking it through. Where is the town motivation to do something like that? There's plenty of scum motivation to do so, though. The contradiction post was more of a joke. I don't remember what oats said but it was about me and it was wrong, and he said that right after he said he read the thread. I was implying he didn't, as usual
Clarity once again preemptively defends himself by saying if he was scum he would sheep marv. Why even say that?
Clarity says long posts are cool.
Clarity pushing Dirk pretty damn hard.
This clarity/rayn back and forth seems really pushed. Like hey clarity back and forth with me in thread so it looks like I'm contributing explain this better rather than just saying things.
I make my case on Clarity
Clarity's defense isn't really a defense. It's like he's scummarizing everything I said. He even says yes to some of the things I call him on. The thinjg that sticks out to me most is his sheep of rayn here. Rayn now with a town read on me and Clarity with a read that leaves himself open to go either way and follow rayn or not.
Rayn starts pressuring Clarity and all of a sudden just backs down.
Clarity again tries to broach the subject of a sloosh lynch. He really doesn't like sloosh. He must really want sloosh lynched. Sloosh even calls him on it.
BH comes in and starts up a rayn lynch, Clarity immediately begins to pressure Dirk some more right after BH has just said he won't support a Dirk lynch for the day.
Clarity says rayn is the easy lynch. The easy lynch? Yes, he had barely posted or done shit, it was close to being a lurker lynch. If rayn was town he was the easy mislynch to push
Clarity starts backing down from his pressure on Dirk. How convenient that Dirk receives an endorsement from BH and you start falling off. Pretty sure I expressed my willingness to move elsewhere before marv/BH
Looks like Sloosh should be Clarity's push then.
More back and forth on rayn. Yeah sure I could lynch rayn, but then ehh I'll just figure him out later.
Clarity really trying to make the appearance that him and marv are on the same page. As was pointed out earlier, town Clarity and marv are always on the same page right guys? Right? Right.
Clarity and marv make almost identical posts right here.
Clarity and marv make almost identical posts right here.
Man, they must be thinking really similar. Something that bugs me, though, is that Clarity keeps bringing this up when really anyone who is around should be making the exact same points these two are making. I found, and still find it amusing
So Clarity is asking someone he had a scum read on to join the wagon of justice against sloosh, the person he's slowly been building up to this whole time without blatantly saying it. Yep
?!MGKRLEGKmn$ETGNMELTGNKE$LGNK HOW DID I MISS THIS!? Clarity calls rayn on the point that makes rayn scum to me. Instead of pressuring rayn on this, though, he provides rayn a way to come back off it by shifting things to ME. ?
Rayn and Clarity having a small mini discussion while Clarity is missing the glaringly obvious that rayn should not have had a town read like that. Clarity himself says Risen would do that as either alignment, why are you not calling Rayn out here? WHY? That's what I'm doing by saying you could do it as either? Do I need to immediately recognize him as scum for it? I simply discussed rayn's read...
You don't find it scummy that rayn is trying to protect me by using a 3P game as evidence of my towniness? Really? Like how is this not screaming "LYNCH RAYN"
Clarity defends HF from rayn, though. Why? Are you afraid that your partner is going to get lynched and need to find something outside a vote that will allow you to say "damn see look here I was coming around to him being scum"
Clarity again does this. Doesn't vote rayn
Clarity sheeps marv's "rayn won't be lynched today by me" point completely setting up a "oh damn I liked what marv had to say about the situation so much I dropped everything I had begun feeling about rayn"
I say I'm writing up a case on rayn and he says are you writing a case on me. To me that says Clarity is afraid I've found something and wants to get the jump on it. He's so paranoid it's going to be about him that he doesn't consider it being on anyone else.
Preemptively deflecting my case.
Says the dumbest, most infuriating thing someone can say to me after I've just explained what I was saying "I dunno, you tell us." I'm getting mad sitting here reading it again. It quite clearly means that rayn is scum because he doesn't care where his vote goes as long as marv leads it so he can later say "Oh marv placed my vote not me". Now that people are saying I have good points at the second half though you conveniently aren't responding to them. Marv at least responded to the very relevant points I brought up on rayn. I don't know how I missed all this. Sloosh and HF are talking about the points I brought up, marv is talking about my points, why aren't you talking about rayn? Why are you avoiding rayn so much?
You sheep marv here but don't vote for BH in spite of marv and sloosh being on him at this point. Why? Then you defend BH while simultaneously pushing me. marv's push felt weird/bad. Turns out it was.
Like Clarity what happened to your scum reads? Suddenly you're asking who's more likely to flip scum of me and Oats? Is it a coincidence that we are the two people outside sloosh who have pushed you at some point this game? Yes, also when did oats push me?
I don't think Clarity looks good post-doctor claim. Why?
Clarity is back to pushing sloosh.
Just kidding the pressure is back on me. How convenient considering that the person you've been slow rolling so hard is going to flip town and you'll look super scummy. There's me, though, who other people have been expressing doubt about. If there's a definition of opportunistic push Clarity is it here.
You can't explain how a scum marv would do that? I can. Easily. Do I think a scum marv would? I guess not, but I know he could do it. A town Clarity should know marv would be capable of it. A scum Clarity who knows marv is town would say something like that, though.
Scum use emoticons.
How good did that feel Clarity? How good, after you had been soft pushing me forever, did it feel when Sloosh voted me. It must have felt insanely good. Nevermind it's coming from the person you have your vote on, that's enough to covince you that I'm the proper lynch. Clarity doesn't want to overcommit to a mislynch, though, that would make him appear scummy. Instead he asks other people if they're down with lynching me.
Rayn isn't happening. In spite of the fact that rayn has more votes than me and people are discussing a rayn lynch, rayn isn't happening. It isn't happening? Or you don't want it to happen. Like HF says he's down with a rayn lynch here, you know BH is down, and that makes 3. So how do you stop a rayn lynch? You flat out say rayn isn't happening and pray.
Then you ask rayn in thread sloosh or Risen. At this point rayn has more support for a lynch than me and the thing that convinced you to lynch me is coming from your top scum read. How am I the only one who's caught this? So you are wavering on sloosh, but you're totally willing to lynch me who you simpoly consider a liability? WHAT?! LOOK AT THIS
Clarity sees the opportunity to lynch me and set up a sloosh lynch d2 and so he tries to start up a last second train. That would mean rayn and him would get 4 KP off and just win d3 since they now know who the doctor is.
Clarity sees rayn trying to cause a no lynch here and is still pressuring me. Why? How do you see what rayn is doing and say, yeah that dude is totally not scum over Risen. And sloosh from earlier is suddenly dropping off for Risen.
HOW IS NO ONE SEEING CLARITY IN ALL THIS!? HE JUST VOTED SLOOSH OVER RAYN!
Sloosh consolidates onto me and Clarity sees that with a no lynch today, rayn is gone tomorrow. Clarity sees that marv is not moving his vote. He knows how bad it's going to look for him when rayn flips scum. There's nothing left to do, he busses his teammate.
Clarity is openly mad in thread following rayn flip. Is he mad because he genuinely doesn't want to play with rayn or because rayn just got himself lynched and now Clarity is all alone. So is all that anger post-flip genuine anger that rayn got himself lynched.
How does BH come away with Clarity being town through that? He even says in the same sentence that rayn and Clarity near simultaneously voted sloosh.
No BH, Clarity couldn't do that, because he would in effect be declaring himself FOR a no lynch.
Clarity prepping himself for sloosh flip by saying "damn sloosh's death post was super sincere I just don't knowwwww"
Really clarity? You really want to lynch sloosh? Because before the flip of rayn you were wavering on sloosh. This inconsistency seems like super bullshit to me. Clarity isn't hardly pushing anything outside of defending rayn.
Almost nothing has changed pre-flip to post-flip and here is Clarity sheeping marv again.
Why are you buddying marv here instead of pointing out how not pro-town an ultimatum it is for marv to be making?
Why are you acting like I'm supposed to have a 100% scum read here? The only people with perfect information are scum. Why didn't I catch this earlier?
Look, you're trying to misrepresent something, marv calls you on it, and you crawl back into sheeping marv.
Hahaha, funny that you're using things to point to a scum sloosh at the end of d1 when if anyone would actually read the end of day 1 you come out looking the MOST scummy by far.
How are you way more confident in a sloosh lynch Clarity when just prior to lynch you were wavering. This makes NO SENSE. And you have a town read on marv? Color me shocked.
Well thank god you're so certain now on sloosh, because it looks to me like you're leaving yourself open to Oats or Risen should something arise.
What have you done with any sort of certainty beyond try and save rayn until you couldn't any longer this game?
HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS TO HOLYFLARES POST?! Just earlier you were musing out loud about how you would probably lynch BH if he was alive day 2!!!
Once again leaving the door open to lynch me down the road here. He says I called all three of the people not on sloosh scum and that I imply sloosh is town. No, that's not what it was at all. This is Clarity preparing for sloosh townflip.
Calls me out for not discussing sloosh when it's more Risen isn't really discussing anyone at all because I've been busy as shit. Why are you fingering one person?
More Clarity flailing attempting to poke holes that simply aren't there. He's posting just to post and appear active.
Boom marv comes in with a town read on me and suddenly Clarity is back to "yeah Risen totes town"
Why do you think I'm town Clarity? You aren't actually saying.
Just kidding we're back to hedging and why do you want to lynch Risen Oats?
Clarity just posted that he was willing to say fuck it and lynch marv because doubt factor not because he finds him scummy. That just happened.
Another defense of me. Who do you actually find scummy? Why do you literally defend everyone? Is it because you know everyone else is scum? The only people you don't seem to defend are the people everyone else wants to lynch.
Clarity sees the town reads starting to pile on me so he needs to set up someone for the next two lynches. The candidates as he says them are Dirk and suddenly we have some suspicion of HF. Let's see if he goes anywhere with it or waits to see if someone else picks it up.
Clarity hedging against a potential Dirk flip here to make it look like he was totally beginning to see the light. Do you know Dirk is town?
You'd like to think you're obviously town? And what have you done outside sheep everything, push nothing to make you look that way?
Clarity tries calling me out for suspecting people when there's only one scum left. So? What if I'm wrong? That means I need to stop my hunting? That means I need to stop sharing my thought process? Why are you trying to shut down my discussion?
Umm... what Clarity? The nice thing about only one scum left is that you can blindly believe marv on HF being town right after you've said you're starting to suspect HF?
How many times is Clarity going to say he's town while just sheeping marv?
HF was just on Clarity's probably scum list and all of a sudden it's lynch dirk/Risen to win the game. What happened? No one posted a defense, no one said anything beyond marv saying HF is simply town and that's it.
And we see why Clarity would shoot Oats now. In spite of having a meh read on HF and a town read on me, he has a total town read on marv and is willing to sheep marv's reads entirely. So lynch dirk, then lynch risen. Ez life indeed.
But wait! HF isn't actually town, no you're just "plugging your ears" so you can potentially mislynch him depending on who you choose to take into the final day.
More casting of suspicion on HF? Color me shocked.
How convenient that a potential bus by you is covered by marv knowing about your past play since he was in that game.
Hey look, you're trying to convince someone you've been hedging for a while now to lynch me over marv. Here's the issue, though... how do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch? How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?How do you know marv is going to be alive day 4 following a Dirk lynch?
Why are you defending marv so hard? No townie should be defending an unflipped person more than one person has expressed doubts about so hard.


I give up, there's just too fucking much, maybe I'll do the rest later if I can be bothered.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:30 GMT
#2719
Sorry first post was messed up
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 17:31 GMT
#2720
Oh there's an actual case coming too? Okay nvm then I'll wait for that.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 18:22 GMT
#2721
Be back in like 1.5-2 hours
Giant wall of notes make me doubt my read on Risen. Fuck
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 20:31 GMT
#2722
Back...
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 20:43 GMT
#2724
On October 11 2013 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
Ltncchhh clarity ggggggg


Care to elaborate?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 20:45 GMT
#2726
I would imagine Risen only makes sense after cocktails.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 20:49 GMT
#2727
Plus I posted a quote from game of thrones pointing out the same thing you did here holy, and I was town in that game.
Consider checking that game out
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 10 2013 21:13 GMT
#2729
Well there's still three hours and you should care.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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