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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:52 VayneAuthority wrote: Also, WoS reaction to yet another one of my bait posts was horrible and if FT flips town I would strongly look into him 'Baiting.' K. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:52 VayneAuthority wrote: Also, WoS reaction to yet another one of my bait posts was horrible and if FT flips town I would strongly look into him Show us this. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well. hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here). Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got. There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On September 30 2013 23:56 Palmar wrote: SnB you said chairman ray was scum, do you still think he is? I have no idea. I honestly am not sure how to deal with someone with a proven track record of looking really really scummy as town for reasons other than just being inactive (ie, he actually makes extremely scummy posts). I don't want to lynch him today, in the hopes that either the cops will take care of him one way or the other, or that he will post things which make his alignment clearer. We have plenty of better lynch options today. Like you or shiaopi. tldr of the following: BH's case on FT applies more to shiaopi than to ft. palmar's case on ft is not very good cause it only points out bad/shitty/irrational play, not why it's alignment indicative. wos's case is actually decent though and makes me feel willing to kill ft. but i still think shiaopi is more likely scum. On October 01 2013 00:23 Palmar wrote: For those that are not paying attention, this is the reason you should be lynching FT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19852553 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19850842 everything in bh's post applies more to shiao than to tofu. On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi On September 30 2013 16:42 FirmTofu wrote: I'm sorry for my long absence. I'll try to make myself available in the coming days. I want to talk about ShiaoPi again. Here are the facts. 1) ShiaoPi was pretty useless in the early game. He showed up for about an hour with a few one liners and promptly left the thread. 2) After I accused him, he immediately changed his posting style. You can see the transition in his filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi 3) His first "contributory post" was one that basically buddied BH's sentiment that I was somewhat scummy. 4) Then, he posts about Grack in a detached manner. Stating random facts that do more to appear useful instead of actually being useful. 5) The rest of his filter is just random accusations thrown at Koshi and more one liners. The key takeaway here is that ShiaoPi is content to go back to shitposting as long as no one is accusing him directly. He doesn't care to scumhunt in this game. All of his posts have been defensive. His read on Koshi is unsubstantiated and useless. There is nothing in his filter that is redeeming in the slightest. Scum. ##vote: ShiaoPi tofu has reasoning. it's not well fleshed out. It could very well be coming from scum. but at least it's a thought process. On the other hand, before voting koshi shiaopi has said exactly this about him: On September 27 2013 06:49 ShiaoPi wrote: so koshi what changed in regards to grack. afraid we cannot be bros if you keep this up after he voted, he posted this: On September 28 2013 02:57 ShiaoPi wrote: koshi is not that rapid fire style townie I would expect from him. Also I really do not agree with the reasoning he offered when I asked him about the Grack read which i consider equally or less descriptive than what ft posted about his shiaopi vote. the palmar post you link essentially boils down to: 1. ft posted about grack, then didnt vote him, why 2. other people fit ft's reasons for voting shiao these are decent points and ft could very well be scum, but i don't see the scum motivation for the things you call him out for. like, they could also be coming from a bad townie. i definitely don't think they make up for any of the reasons i already cited for killing shiaopi over ft. actually, i think that if ft was trying to establish separation between himself and his scumbuddy grack (which I assume is the scenario you're proposing here, or else why would point 1 be scummy) he would have better reasoning about grack being scum. but as you say yourself, he has equally shitty reasoning for voting both of them. like, both of these points only point to scum if there's a connection involved or if you can explain how they fit a scum agenda, and you don't explain that. WoS's case is better. On September 28 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote: You didn't shut everyone down in that game either. You yelled at people to vote for me but you did allow the conversation to go to other places at times. I dunno I'm kinda disappointed I was expecting more. Anyway FT read: His entire 1-page filter reads like a scum manual. 1) Give strong players townreads, throw out a couple others just to keep people honest, and be honest regarding unknowns, you don't want anyone on your ass you can't handle. 2) RNG is BAD. No town will ever go for this so make sure to shut it down to look as towny as possible. Just in case this game actually is different though (considering the statistics) make it look like you'll consider it to appease people. 3) Oh yeah, I gave this guy a scumread based on nothing huh? I'll delay this as long as I can and maybe people will forget. 4) Shit, strong town player is on to me! Better appease him too and I have to stick with my RNG stance now that the bluff has been called! The only issue I have with this narrative is it almost seems...too obvious? Also regarding what I said about BH's progression of the RNG discussion by actually RNGing someone----would scum really get caught by that? I'm not going to use 'too scummy to be scum' here because I hate that heuristic, but this would be a very good place for it. Overall i'd have to lean scum simply based on the narrative but also based on what I know about my thoughts towards RNG and how I acted about it vs how FT did. If we're 'Keeping it Simple, Stupid,' FT must be scum. Point (1) is good. That is a good point. While a townie could make that post, it's more likely to come from scum. Point (2), I believe, is completely undermined by ft's joining the random lynch wagon and owning that he was doing it just because of the random lynch. Point (3) is okay. not as good as point (1). could be indicative of scum but I don't find it super convincing since it came pretty early in the game when no one had good reasoning for reads (IIRC). Point (4) is also good. This is kind of a weird post to make as town. specifically because of wos's points 1 and 4, i actually feel like ft also has a pretty good chance of flipping scum. i still think, however, that shiaopi is a better bet - look at blazinghand's case on ft and apply that logic to shiaopi, combined with my arguments about the rng lynch and also about the discrepancy between how shiao can play and how he is playing. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:57 VayneAuthority wrote: show you what? I purposefully made a zero content vote post and WoS starts crying his eyes out to lynch me. Gullible scum or emotional town link me both please, this sounds incredibly dumb and I need a laugh. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On October 01 2013 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote:grackaroni On October 01 2013 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote: No but guys! Don't lynch VA! He's totally a useful contributing member of the game! And he's also very clearly town! it's right on the previous page o_O I will say this though, the fighting between FT and shiao does lead me to believe there is probably 1 scum between them, but not both. So carry on with that. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: it's right on the previous page o_O I will say this though, the fighting between FT and shiao does lead me to believe there is probably 1 scum between them, but not both. So carry on with that. "one of my bait posts" sounded like you had done it multiple times. Anyway, I think WoS's reaction is quite appropriate. I think Grack is one of the less likely people in the game to be scum, so I don't see an issue with WoS reacting to you voting him. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Can anyone give me a reason to not vote Hiro other than "These targets are better" That's not how it works. I agree, Hiro has a high chance of flipping scum. We want to lynch scum today. Can you prove that he has higher chance of flipping scum than FT? If so, i'm with you bro, I'm right here, but my initial conclusion was that FT had a higher chance to flip scum. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:06 Palmar wrote: "one of my bait posts" sounded like you had done it multiple times. Anyway, I think WoS's reaction is quite appropriate. I think Grack is one of the less likely people in the game to be scum, so I don't see an issue with WoS reacting to you voting him. He was also "one of the least likely people to be scum" in our previous game as scum together. Didn't stop him from being scum. He posts a shit ton and makes long posts either way. I don't really like much of anything he's said this game. If I'm wrong so be it, but I don't think I am. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote: He was also "one of the least likely people to be scum" in our previous game as scum together. Didn't stop him from being scum. He posts a shit ton and makes long posts either way. I don't really like much of anything he's said this game. If I'm wrong so be it, but I don't think I am. Doesn't matter much if you think he's scum or not though since apparently you're not willing to do anything about it though aside from vote for him, right? Also wait a minute....if the vote for grack was genuine, how the fuck can you even say that post was a bait? Just seems tacked on to further either try to get a rise out of me or make an excuse. I really don't get why people won't listen to me about you. Gonna feel good to be vindicated postgame. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote: He was also "one of the least likely people to be scum" in our previous game as scum together. Didn't stop him from being scum. He posts a shit ton and makes long posts either way. I don't really like much of anything he's said this game. If I'm wrong so be it, but I don't think I am. Difference is I'm actually good at mafia. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:07 Palmar wrote: That's not how it works. I agree, Hiro has a high chance of flipping scum. We want to lynch scum today. Can you prove that he has higher chance of flipping scum than FT? If so, i'm with you bro, I'm right here, but my initial conclusion was that FT had a higher chance to flip scum. I already stated my position. Proving someone has a 'higher chance' of flipping scum is pretty impossible -- I just have to prove that they are scum and that's that. Heck, maybe both are scum. I still like the shaiopi/FT/hiro trio for scum -- at least two in there. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
Haven't seen anything good yet, so you best hope FT is scum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##unvote ##vote FT | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Doesn't matter much if you think he's scum or not though since apparently you're not willing to do anything about it though aside from vote for him, right? Also wait a minute....if the vote for grack was genuine, how the fuck can you even say that post was a bait? Just seems tacked on to further either try to get a rise out of me or make an excuse. I really don't get why people won't listen to me about you. Gonna feel good to be vindicated postgame. +1 to this sentiment. If it's a bait vote, you vote somebody for no reason like I voted for Oats, and judge peoples reactions. So you think Grack is scum, vote him, then consider it a bait vote? How is it a bait vote if you actually support that position? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote: Because I knew somebody would get upset that I posted no reasoning behind it. and boy was I correct, the pigeons are really gathering around now. What does people getting upset about it tell you exactly? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On October 01 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote: Because I knew somebody would get upset that I posted no reasoning behind it. and boy was I correct, the pigeons are really gathering around now. This guy is hilarious. I wonder if intentionally dumb or accidentally dumb. | ||
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