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It's not about pushing them later so much, it's...
He wants to see who killed BH. He looks, finds three people with townreads on BH, decides they're maybe the candidates but he's unsure.
He never picks A DUDE who did it, he never goes "here's my list of maybe shooters, which one had the best reason/looks the absolute worst?" What he does if say these guys maybe, then poke at CR about night actions and how CR is wrong, tussle with WoS, call out hiro for defending himself from what WAS a weird attack, and then circle back around to voting grack and saying he'll vote pandain/palmar, because those 3 were most likely to kill BH.
He goes from these three people maybe killed BH --> I will vote these three people because they maybe killed BH.
Doesn't try to figure out WHICH, doesn't rule any one dude out, or anything. It's like going halfway with his speculation. Here's some people that might have committed the crime, I'll vote for any of them. The list of some people is nice, but you need THE GUY, or a reason to think grack (his vote) is the guy more than pandain/palmar (who he'll also vote for but isn't voting).
Does this not make sense to anyone else? The list is never narrowed, and the list is suddenly all scum, will vote for all three.
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On October 12 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
I just had a thought for a play I think scum may very well make tonight.
Posting this right at deadline:
If scum do indeed have 2KP they may not risk using the second (since VE is a sure kill) and instead hope for the mislynch today so they can use BOTH KP tomorrow night and win(?) (since likely everyone has used their vest who has one tonight).
They may also attempt a fakeclaim of vest use if they only use the one shot.
Be wary.
Scum, I may or may not have used my vest tonight for the first time in preparation for such a scenario. GL with that! Drive-By - scum sacrifice 1 KP this night for 2 KP the following night. One of the 2 KP must be used to make a night-kill. Cannot be used on consecutive nights. If they used it 2 nights ago to get 2 KP tonight, they couldn't use it again tonight.
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gg VE.
##vote: Mr. Cheesecake
Is this day 24 or 48 hours long?
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WoS, the fact that they shot means they didn't drive by.
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On October 12 2013 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 05:02 austinmcc wrote:On October 12 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
I just had a thought for a play I think scum may very well make tonight.
Posting this right at deadline:
If scum do indeed have 2KP they may not risk using the second (since VE is a sure kill) and instead hope for the mislynch today so they can use BOTH KP tomorrow night and win(?) (since likely everyone has used their vest who has one tonight).
They may also attempt a fakeclaim of vest use if they only use the one shot.
Be wary.
Scum, I may or may not have used my vest tonight for the first time in preparation for such a scenario. GL with that! Drive-By - scum sacrifice 1 KP this night for 2 KP the following night. One of the 2 KP must be used to make a night-kill. Cannot be used on consecutive nights. If they used it 2 nights ago to get 2 KP tonight, they couldn't use it again tonight. Except there has been no drive-by accounted for for a couple nights now. There is a KP missing, so they may have saved it up (or it was the Bangers who had it and Pandain died). Oh, so you're presuming there's like...a running tally of their KP? Not a drive-by, but a dusty old KP they kept in the attic and will pull out now?
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If mafia does not use all of their KP on a given night, does it roll over? (Not accounting for drive bys)
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Yeah but that's why it's in green 
I assumed it would NOT, because if all KP rolls over then drive-by is useless. Essentially, drive-by allows you to bank KP but only in specific scenarios (every other day, and only 1 at a time). If you can bank ALL KP, there's no need for them to be able to drive-by.
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rayn, apart from the payphone doodle, can you give me a couple things about cheesecake that you find/found townie?
VA,
I think some of the stuff you did was scummy. I'd think it regardless of alignment. It's not lying, it's not being untruthful, I don't think you came to the final conclusion when analyzing the BH kill. You gave a list of 3 people, decided you'd vote for them ALL, without doing ANY analysis of why one might be more likely than the other, why one person gave a town read on BH but wasn't scum, etc. etc. Essentially, ANYONE WHO HAD A TOWNREAD ON BH D1 WAS SCUM FOR YOU, and that was it. No attempt to see if the rest of their filters did anything for you, no attempt to pick a likely killer, just BH died --> people townie on BH most likely killers --> here are people townie on BH --> I will vote for all of them.
Actually, same question to you VA, apart from the payphone thing, Cheese is town because ____________
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On October 12 2013 07:24 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 07:20 austinmcc wrote:
rayn, apart from the payphone doodle, can you give me a couple things about cheesecake that you find/found townie?
VA,
I think some of the stuff you did was scummy. I'd think it regardless of alignment. It's not lying, it's not being untruthful, I don't think you came to the final conclusion when analyzing the BH kill. You gave a list of 3 people, decided you'd vote for them ALL, without doing ANY analysis of why one might be more likely than the other, why one person gave a town read on BH but wasn't scum, etc. etc. Essentially, ANYONE WHO HAD A TOWNREAD ON BH D1 WAS SCUM FOR YOU, and that was it. No attempt to see if the rest of their filters did anything for you, no attempt to pick a likely killer, just BH died --> people townie on BH most likely killers --> here are people townie on BH --> I will vote for all of them.
Actually, same question to you VA, apart from the payphone thing, Cheese is town because ____________ he isn't town to me. You are just way scummier. And I just freakin' quoted where I delved into their filters and decided that I was sure of the read! it's posts like this where you are lying and it's annoying. I don't put my analysis in the thread because i dont give a shit about other people's opinions on it. its for me only. Between this post:On September 30 2013 07:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
So I have no idea why anyone shot BH or what this means. The only people that trusted him even remotely were pandain, grack, and palmar. Everybody else tried to throw suspicion on him or said he was scummy. He died though so we know it wasn't a cop kill. Sooo wtf is going on here.
Palmar/Pandain probably come off looking the worst from this since palmar gave him a town read and visa versa and pandain is trying to lynch FT through his dead body. Grack has some sort of boner for BH where he looks up to him so that is a potential fear kill.
No need to reply to this post, I won't read it and these posts:On October 01 2013 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote:grackaroni On October 01 2013 00:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
alternatively, i will vote for pandain or palmar On October 01 2013 00:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
after reading all filters those are the 3 that were most likely to dispose of BH You DON'T comment at all. You don't discuss any of those three people between those two points.
So if you "delved into their filters," it's not apparent from your posts. You say three people "trusted him." You say how they're related to BH. But you don't talk about their filters, you don't show you delved anything, and besides the implicit "BH is dead and someone who thought he was scummy wouldn't kill BH," you don't even explain WHY the people who had townreads on BH = all scum and BH's killers.
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I guess I don't understand how occam's razor says "the dude who nobody can say a townie thing about, bar the payphone" is the less obvious mafia than the various crap you think about me.
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On October 12 2013 07:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
its not apparent that I delved into their filters when I just typed that I read all of their filters? k no. not at all.
I can type "I'm an elephant."
It's not apparent that I'm an elephant.
For it to be apparent that you actually looked at their filters, I'd expect quotes from their filters, or references to scummy posts they made, or ANY sort of specific reference. Instead, you comment on hiro/WoS and some other stuff, then say, "I delved their filters."
You saying you did something doesn't make it apparent that you actually did it, when this is a game where people lie.
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On October 12 2013 07:39 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 07:37 austinmcc wrote:On October 12 2013 07:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
its not apparent that I delved into their filters when I just typed that I read all of their filters? k no. not at all. I can type "I'm an elephant." It's not apparent that I'm an elephant. For it to be apparent that you actually looked at their filters, I'd expect quotes from their filters, or references to scummy posts they made, or ANY sort of specific reference. Instead, you comment on hiro/WoS and some other stuff, then say, "I delved their filters." You saying you did something doesn't make it apparent that you actually did it, when this is a game where people lie. but you see that doesn't work when that is what I do, so you fail yet again, better luck next time. go play in the dumpster with cheesecake If you don't want to put reasoning in thread, whatever.
But don't say "I just don't do reasoning or justification, that's how I roll" and then say it's APPARENT that you looked at filters. Nobody outside of you has any idea whether you actually did or not. You can't claim it's apparent to us you did x or y when there are no indicia of you doing x or y.
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I'm assuming that I'm not allowed to answer.
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I don't think you're a lynch option today rayn
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On October 12 2013 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin you can go ahead and answer if you'd like. The latter!
(To be fair, I've been lynched as mafia once and lynched as town once. In both cases I actively fought hard)
But in general, town players getting lynched when the game is close to being on the line don't give up/go silent.
Heck, town players who maybe or maybe don't out scum don't sit back and do nothing at all after that.
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Oh, PTP doesn't even count. I fought hard cuz I was embarrassed that I claimed and could have ruined game for team.
Lynched in CT as mafia. Lynched in looney lynching as town. In CT so many people were confirmed by actions or stuff, and I replaced in for a guy who took actions that didn't make sense. Fought only the day I was about to be lynched.
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gg cheese? 
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I think the reason items may seem overcosted was that, as best I could tell, it's a permanent power boost for your team. Give up a KP, get a permanent RB, allowing you to shut down a cop forever.
Strong enough that maybe shouldn't cost .5 KP if you can disable someone every night.
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Or maybe that's not what he meant by infinite use, I dunno. Maybe he meant you could activate it multiple times.
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On October 12 2013 12:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well done guys by looking hella town.
Sorry austin for going after you, i was paranoid because WoS & Vayne were so so town and i don't know your play well enough.
Finally town wins something. ^_^ It's alright. I really hope obs thought I was townie, though. I think anyone who's played with me a decent number of times would not have suspected me for some of the stuff you were on my about. But I can understand some bits of the read in a vacuum.
Stuff like me going a little nuts, not knowing who to believe, and wanting to lynch outside the cops when we have great odds and some reads (seriously, super pro town plan imo), is either not indicative of my alignment or townie. I haven't really done any weird stuff in thread as mafia.
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