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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 12 2013 16:35 GMT
#6121
I didn't participate in this one nearly as much as I would have liked, but it did give me a good reason to start AFK'ing in Noir :D

Thanks to phagga and cakepie for being perfect cohosts, and thank everyone who played or at least made an attempt to do so!
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 12 2013 16:42 GMT
#6122
Ohyeah.

Thx for hosting. Close to perfect ;D
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 12 2013 16:46 GMT
#6123
Thanks Sentinel, phagga and cakepie for hosting.
I have to say this was one of the most funniest and enjoyable games i have ever played.

Also thanks to all the players, was fun!
table for two on a tv tray
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
October 12 2013 16:53 GMT
#6124
On October 13 2013 01:42 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah.

Thx for hosting. Close to perfect ;D

Well, I wouldn't call 'accidentally outing a scum member' close to perfect...
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 12 2013 16:57 GMT
#6125
On October 13 2013 01:53 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 01:42 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah.

Thx for hosting. Close to perfect ;D

Well, I wouldn't call 'accidentally outing a scum member' close to perfect...

Yes therefore the winky big smile smiley
I had a good night of sleep.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 12 2013 17:31 GMT
#6126
On October 12 2013 23:43 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 22:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 12 2013 17:58 phagga wrote:
some things.

Props to Pandain to figure out Hiro N2 which led to the Hiro shot:

Pandain
10-02-2013
07:05 AM ET (US) if Koshi is cop(where is that in thread), hiro probably is too. Only one who constantly says is town or hints that without much evidence, everyone else supports rng or points accusations. look at hiro filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...rotagonist&view=all




On October 01 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you. That's a fact. If you are scum you can still genuinely scumhunt and be right, find people from different scumteam that you are in, and look good. That's what i have been trying to say all game. Everyone who do not understand this is either very dumb or scum who are trying to buy your trust by giving a town read on you.

My concern is that you, of all the people Palmar, don't understand this simple fact. In addition to that, you havn't been actively trying to find mafia. In fact, you have devoted this game into calling people bad. That's what you usually do in games, but that's so over the top in this game. You are not trying to actively find scum. You might be right on something, but you are off in a lot of things, considering what your town play usually looks like. You are afraid of getting shot. Given that you have a vest if you are town, you should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are a Police guy, the other dude can protect you, and you are confirmed. You should not be afraid of getting shot. If you are town.

TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum.


This was a really good post that got ignored.




I actually wanted to say some more about D2 and WoS play but somehow my thoughts are very disconnected right now. perhaps later.




Re: Hosting It was a blast. And I got to write some flavour, yay

Yes, the setup was not perfect. As Cheese already pointed out, it was an error to prioritize bus over roleblock. Roleblock should have the highest priority. Also, I still think we should not let a cop bus himself. I do think that with this two changes alone the game would already be less town favoured, as you can't just claim cop anymore in thread and threat to bus yourself with someone else and it's gonna be unstoppable.

The reason why Precision shot worked so well is because townies barely vested up. I think from 11 VTs only 5 vested up over the whole game? (Rayn, Vayne, VE, Austin, WoS). Perhaps we need a mechanic that prevents PS from confirming more than 2 people?

Another thought, make drive-by increase KP by 0.5 and limit it to single-use.

What is it in regards to?
I'm very interested to hear any critiques to my play in order to improve myself.


I noted around D2 how you were mis-using the confidence you have.

You came into the game with a pretty big ego, which is not a problem when used correctly. However, I got the feeling that you tried to hard to push your reads on others, instead of trying to lead town. However, townies were not agreeing with your reads and felt you tried to push some scum agenda.

There was once talk in the podcasts about a game Promethelax played on Mafiascum, where one guy was calling him out on being a narcissist and making a huge post about how Prom's ego is overblown. At the same time the same guy also acknowledged that Prom was playing very townie. The reason this worked was because Prom used his ego to lead the town, to constantly push people to give their reads, to ask again and again what they mean and to threat that he would lynch them if they would not do what he expected from them.

So basically what I want to say is: it's ok if you come into the game with a huge ego, but you need to use it right. You need to push people to do what you need them to do so you (and other townies) can get a good read on their alignement (VE did this after Koshi confirmed him). But you came into the game trying to push your reads/opinion onto other townies, and they wont let that happen. And I think that's why you had a rather bad start into this game.

Completely agree with this analysis.
Appreciate the advice!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 12 2013 17:34 GMT
#6127
WoS please please play like you did from N1 -> every game from now on so we can murder scum in every game.
table for two on a tv tray
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 12 2013 17:39 GMT
#6128
On October 13 2013 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS please please play like you did from N1 -> every game from now on so we can murder scum in every game.

I usually do. This game's early D1 and Persona are probably my only exceptions.
Not sure how actually useful I was this game anyway considering my reads were all off, but at least I made the last few days easier since I was all but confirmed town.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 12 2013 17:50 GMT
#6129
You were all confirmed town, especially after D3.
This:
On October 10 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And btw i am refusing to lynch WoS or Vayne.

Vayne has been straight up townie with his interactions with scum. No retarded "let's make me look better"-busses with cases on scumbuddies (which has been the case here). No trying to save anyone or any other shennies. Just straight up "these people are scum, that's it, now die". Looks like normal town!Vayne, not too tryhard.

WoS has been genuinely interested in these Solstice/CR situations. Has been asking the right questions and has a clear thought process. If he is scum he deserves to win, because there are couple of things that are (in that case) incredibly next-level scumplay. (1) His interactions with Solstice on D4. (2) CR claims scum. When the plan goes shit, CR claims fakeclaiming shennies as town. WoS tricks CR into claiming scum again. If that is the plan for scum!WoS and CR, oh my god, i salute WoS!

So yeah, lynch CC, then Austin. CC before Austin because if Austin is town he has played a really good game and i don't want to mislynch him for good play unless he is my last pick for mafia.

table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 12 2013 17:52 GMT
#6130
That was a super post. I was all giggling in obs when you wrote that.
Dnu why you said Austin was scum after his defense and him making that case on CC.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
October 12 2013 17:58 GMT
#6131
Because i am dumb and paranoid.
table for two on a tv tray
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 12 2013 18:03 GMT
#6132
I love saying I'm confirmed town as scum
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 12 2013 18:17 GMT
#6133
I am never gonna use fakeclaiming as a strategy again

But that was a good game
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 12 2013 18:20 GMT
#6134
On October 13 2013 03:17 Chairman Ray wrote:
I am never gonna use fakeclaiming as a strategy again

But that was a good game

Pretty sure you claiming scum wasn't fake ;D
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 18:24:58
October 12 2013 18:24 GMT
#6135
On October 13 2013 03:17 Chairman Ray wrote:
I am never gonna use fakeclaiming as a strategy again

But that was a good game

Never ever claim scum. There is no way it is going to help you. You could have used some coaching in scum QT, other than that you did fine, not getting lynchedon early days and looked townie to many people. If you do not know what to do, never refrain from posting, never apologize about anything, never give up. Ask advice from your scumbuddies and post. If you think you look bad you can even bus your teammates hardcore because nobody is going to believe you anyways, at worst you or your buddy gets lynched and the other one of you gains credit.

Now, when you claimed scum, everything you said was treated as WIFOM.
table for two on a tv tray
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 18:34:38
October 12 2013 18:34 GMT
#6136
you guys can thank me for all my glorious contributions later

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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 12 2013 20:21 GMT
#6137
On October 13 2013 01:53 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 01:42 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah.

Thx for hosting. Close to perfect ;D

Well, I wouldn't call 'accidentally outing a scum member' close to perfect...

Shhhhhhhhh
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 12 2013 23:05 GMT
#6138
I'm pissed and in my opinion this game should have been ended early or koshi should have been forcibly replaced after sentinel fucked up and modconfirmed pandain as scum to koshi. Sure we didn't have a huge chance after cheese shot me but we had a chance, koshi himself said he wasn't sure if he would have shot pandain without the fuckup from sentinel.

Mod confirming a scum team member and then doing nothing about it is just unacceptable.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
October 12 2013 23:07 GMT
#6139
Especially when it's the last team member and it ends that team's chance of winning
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 25 2013 03:13 GMT
#6140
On September 29 2013 05:06 Palmar wrote:
On phone will do later.

Short version is: the worst player in the game gets lynched day 1 . Regardless of alignment.

To quote the man himself. (Though Marv was right that I didn't know what the fuck I was talking about T_T...)
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