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On October 08 2013 00:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, and the s0L posts look much more like "I'm not a cop with this guy".
But Koshi is being really....closed to this whole thing. Like, he doesn't appear to want people to figure out the game. And he's ABSOLUTELY AGAINST lynching anyone but s0Lstice.
Ugh, this is such a weird situation.
Because the guy is 100% scum. Like. 100%
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On October 08 2013 00:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:26 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.
 Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO Except On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.
hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).
Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.
There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. On October 02 2013 01:09 s0Lstice wrote:
like I said earlier I did get up to page 40 or so. still don't like the FT lynch. didn't see anything in his filter that screamed scum to me.
from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:
@austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me.
##vote hiro protagonist
All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved? Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly. Oh wow this is your first scumgame rofl. Is your profile legit?
It's nto hsi first scumgame. I helped him win in Basterd as survivor.
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On October 08 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.
You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?
Why CC? At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone. ...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth.
tldr: On N3 you still thought I was town?
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On October 08 2013 00:26 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.
Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO Except On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.
hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).
Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.
There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. On October 02 2013 01:09 s0Lstice wrote:
like I said earlier I did get up to page 40 or so. still don't like the FT lynch. didn't see anything in his filter that screamed scum to me.
from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:
@austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me.
##vote hiro protagonist
All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved? Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly.
Nah, Pandain is the last guy alive from the other team. They shot BH on N1, because Pandain wants to kill BH always for no reason.
Then you shot SnB and hiro on N2, probably thought they were vice versa (SnB town -> lynch Palmar the next day, and hiro scum from another team). Palmar wanted to get rid of grack because he was calling him scum, and Palmar had a "scumred" on me already.
It's pretty easy to conclude how these things went.
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On October 08 2013 00:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:28 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:26 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.
Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO Except On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.
hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).
Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.
There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. On October 02 2013 01:09 s0Lstice wrote:
like I said earlier I did get up to page 40 or so. still don't like the FT lynch. didn't see anything in his filter that screamed scum to me.
from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:
@austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me.
##vote hiro protagonist
All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved? Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly. Oh wow this is your first scumgame rofl. Is your profile legit? It's nto hsi first scumgame. I helped him win in Basterd as survivor.
You are trying pretty hard this game as well
+ Show Spoiler +DONT KILL ME IT WAS A JOKE
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there is no way I'm not dying today.
I'm pretty sure 4 scum votes will be on me, which means I can only have a max of ONE townie on me and not get lynched over a potential candidate with 6. I think I have that right.
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On October 08 2013 00:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, and the s0L posts look much more like "I'm not a cop with this guy".
But Koshi is being really....closed to this whole thing. Like, he doesn't appear to want people to figure out the game. And he's ABSOLUTELY AGAINST lynching anyone but s0Lstice.
Ugh, this is such a weird situation. VE do you at least agree with me that the objective 'right call' here based on counterclaim situation is to lynch Solstice? Can we work together from there?
No objectively we should be bending our entire will to finding the last Banger and lynching him. But I get that you think those objectives are the same.
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On October 08 2013 00:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, and the s0L posts look much more like "I'm not a cop with this guy".
But Koshi is being really....closed to this whole thing. Like, he doesn't appear to want people to figure out the game. And he's ABSOLUTELY AGAINST lynching anyone but s0Lstice.
Ugh, this is such a weird situation. Because the guy is 100% scum. Like. 100%
And so if this is true, you'd think that you'd try to guide us to it with evidence, good posting and righteous fury, not shitposting, calling people dumb, acting like an asshole.
As i said earlier your summary of the QT was really great and useful but as far as I'm concerned it's the only helpful thing to help along the situation all day.
The fact that you have the audacity to call anyone else bad after your play today (if town) baffles me.
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On October 08 2013 00:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.
You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?
Why CC? At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone. ...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth. tldr: On N3 you still thought I was town?
No, maybe you shouldn't tldr it.
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Funny thing is when Solstie flips scum and Pandain flips the last scum from another team Mr.CC becomes town.
Koshi, you shoud prolly shoot Pandain next night. He has to sac KP in case he wants to survive.
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On October 08 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:28 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, and the s0L posts look much more like "I'm not a cop with this guy".
But Koshi is being really....closed to this whole thing. Like, he doesn't appear to want people to figure out the game. And he's ABSOLUTELY AGAINST lynching anyone but s0Lstice.
Ugh, this is such a weird situation. Because the guy is 100% scum. Like. 100% And so if this is true, you'd think that you'd try to guide us to it with evidence, good posting and righteous fury, not shitposting, calling people dumb, acting like an asshole. As i said earlier your summary of the QT was really great and useful but as far as I'm concerned it's the only helpful thing to help along the situation all day. The fact that you have the audacity to call anyone else bad after your play today (if town) baffles me.
Somewhere I agree. There will be a day I make cases.
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I like it Rayn you got me
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On October 08 2013 00:33 Pandain wrote:
I like it Rayn you got me
Yeah i know. I'll all scum before i die this night. Actually i prolly won't because they'll shoot Koshi. :D
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On October 08 2013 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, and the s0L posts look much more like "I'm not a cop with this guy".
But Koshi is being really....closed to this whole thing. Like, he doesn't appear to want people to figure out the game. And he's ABSOLUTELY AGAINST lynching anyone but s0Lstice.
Ugh, this is such a weird situation. VE do you at least agree with me that the objective 'right call' here based on counterclaim situation is to lynch Solstice? Can we work together from there? No objectively we should be bending our entire will to finding the last Banger and lynching him. But I get that you think those objectives are the same.
I mean, I do, but I could see myself being wrong about what team he's on.
Why are you so set on finding the last MCB specifically? We're fine as long as we lynch scum today and the risk of not lynching scum is greatly reduced if we lynch into Solstice/Koshi. Information-wise we should be set after NKs tonight as well either way, so long as we lynch scum.
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Anyway we have a lynch today so I'll contribute tommorow.
Koshi you can shoot me but then you'll never find the last scum and will probably die cuz there is two other kp out there.
Also your valuable as confirmed town.
Aka it's bad for us even if I'm scum
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On October 08 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny thing is when Solstie flips scum and Pandain flips the last scum from another team Mr.CC becomes town.
Koshi, you shoud prolly shoot Pandain next night. He has to sac KP in case he wants to survive.
Doesn't he have to protect himself?
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On October 08 2013 00:26 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.
Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO Except On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.
hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).
Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.
There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. On October 02 2013 01:09 s0Lstice wrote:
like I said earlier I did get up to page 40 or so. still don't like the FT lynch. didn't see anything in his filter that screamed scum to me.
from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:
@austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me.
##vote hiro protagonist
All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved? Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly. Both your stories have merit and oddities.
Yours is the weaker story, imo.
On October 08 2013 00:27 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:23 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 08 2013 00:12 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just look at it like this: if you remove the cop claims and me and yourself from the pool you have 7 people. If you believe that one of the cop claims is scum, that means that out of 7 people, 3 are scum.
3 scum and 4 townies. Out of Pandain, Oats, rayn, austin, Cheese, CR, VA, there are 4 townies and 3 scum. The odds are almost exactly the same as choosing between the cop claims. But better odds w/cop claims by a little. And if we're looking for MCB you think we won't find it in solstice? I'm not sure why you think that honestly. It's actually really simple. The MCB is alone now, and in order to win he's got to kill everyone on the other scumteam IN ADDITION to all the townies. I find it far more likely that the MCB would have used his KP to kill last night - he's got SO MANY people to kill before he can win, and using KP for anything BUT killing is only prolonging the game (which is bad for scum). Now, don't ask me why if s0L is a Baller, he used the Payphone. I really honestly don't know his motivations. Maybe he was hoping to reach out to the final Banger in an attempt to work together. Maybe the whole intention was to counterclaim cop (though I doubt this as it was so messy and came out of nowhere). But in spite of it not making much sense, I find it more likely than the last Banger using Payphone. Payphone is 0,5KP. He shot VE. Probably had to use Payphone or Molotov for 0,5. Gambled. Lost. ezpz. OK I see. It seems weird that he stated it as an absolute but I technically it was the first thought I had regarding this. My original theory is Solstice is MCB, used a KP on you and Payphone to try and YOLO the fuck out of everyone because sitting and waiting to lose sucks and he didn't have it in him to try and hide for 2-3 days. Especially if he thinks he was already found out by the other scumteam. I just don't see why that theory makes any less sense than Solstice being on ballers. The part I don't understand IF solstice were MCB is the claim itself.
He payphones, trying to hook up with the other scum team, sure, npnp.
But then he gets outed as sending cheesecake a message.
The FIRST thing he does is CLAIM COP. His very very very first response to being called out is the single thing that will 1000000% get him killed as mafia. He has no chance to win now. He dies if people don't trust his claim. He dies if Koshi ever flips. He is super duper dead. There is no wiggle room left, no hiding, he's out in the sun and there is no way he makes it til endgame.
If solstice were the MCB, he wouldn't ensure his death like that. He just goes "cc lying, big scum play." Then he forces the lynch between himself and cc (if we assume a similar 1 on 1 scenario), where he's fighting a dude that might well be scum and NOT the claimed cop. If he can get cc lynched, and especially if cc flips scum, TA DA.
(Putting aside that it doesn't make sense for scum cc on 3 man team to out scum solstice on 1 man team, leading to solstice death, leading to 1 team of KP tonight)
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On October 08 2013 00:35 Pandain wrote:
Anyway we have a lynch today so I'll contribute tommorow.
Koshi you can shoot me but then you'll never find the last scum and will probably die cuz there is two other kp out there.
Also your valuable as confirmed town.
Aka it's bad for us even if I'm scum
Scumclaim?
lol
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On October 08 2013 00:32 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:29 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.
You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?
Why CC? At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone. ...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth. tldr: On N3 you still thought I was town? No, maybe you shouldn't tldr it.
I just don't understand you.
Like, if I was scum I was always on the 3 man team (you confirmed this earlier). So if you are a cop, why not contact me, why contact CC? Because it seems you were certain about both me and CC? And we are in the same scumteam, and you knew rayn was in our team. Why not simple shoot me, and then say: "oh hi guis, I am cop, Koshi obviously isn't, his teammates are 100% CC and 85% rayn".
That would actually make sense if you were a cop.
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On October 08 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny thing is when Solstie flips scum and Pandain flips the last scum from another team Mr.CC becomes town.
Koshi, you shoud prolly shoot Pandain next night. He has to sac KP in case he wants to survive. Doesn't he have to protect himself?
Not necessarily. Other scumteam does not know what he does for real. Pandain has to vest himself.
Either way, in case Koshi dies, Pandain dies too, or there will be 2 KP and Pandain is confirmed town.
So we trade 1-1 and/or have less suspicious people with same amount of conf-townies.
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