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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I do. I'm just mad at Rayn for fucking off after he got confirmed. thats because he is scum. he fucked off as scum in GoT, fucked off as scum in Noire. rayn does this. how do you imagine a confirmed town rayn should be acting? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:20 WaveofShadow wrote: In my head, the super duper right play is to have everyone try and create full scum teams. Just off the top of their head, who they think are the 4 scum, don't have to align. We leave that on the back burner. I like when Chezinu tries to get everyone to make lists, and I think it's something to have people DO but not rely on heavily.Was just answering VE's question with what I think is a likely scenario. Austin. Do you honestly think the 'right' play here is to lynch Koshi? Then we don't lynch either cop claimer. We have Koshi precision shot solstice (he claims his is up). We have solstice...he said he used his precision shot and that the prius was Hiro's, so I guess we just have him do something defensive. Try to save someone. This forces either scumKoshiteam to deal with an extra protect OR scumsolsticeteam to RB koshi/buy vest for solstice or lose solstice. One way we 100% kill solstice or save a KP from town (they have to spend KP on the RB item). The other way we have a CHANCE of saving a townie. In my head, that's the RIGHT play, we'll be right back in this situation tomorrow (unless solstice scum and doesn't rb or buy vest), but we'll have a night that's slightly more town-favored than it otherwise would be. The real issue with that is: (1) It requires people to ignore the competing claims (2) A LOT of folks are implicated in the claims --> rayn, oats, cc, somewhat you So we avoid all of those and we find scum in the remainder. Heck, perhaps we're the super coolest bestest town ever and magically take out the last MCB if it's not someone locked up in these claims. That's my legitimate thought process. I think the absolute RIGHT play is to lynch CR. + Show Spoiler + In my mind, he's not associated with EITHER set of claims, so lynching him isn't explicitly siding with one cop claimer. He hasn't been around. He doesn't seem to care about this cop claim stuff, DESPITE BEING SUPER PLOTTY AND TRICKSY IN HIS OTHER GAMES. THIS GAME GOT CRAZY WEIRD AND INTERESTING AND CONVOLUTED AND HE, AGAIN, JUST DROPS ONE POST AND DIPS. I can believe he's got RL commitments. But we're over a WEEK of time where he NEVER posts casually, and NEVER is just around. And he's not interested where his past games indicate, to me, that he should be interested. Agree? Disagree? Think that (1) interferes with that? VE, how about you? | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
The right play in my opinion is lynching the one-man scumteam - deciding who we think that is, and lynching it with fire. In this way we remove 1 KP from the game and 1 player not aligned with town and even if scum hit two people tonight, we still have a chance tomorrow. If we hit town with the lynch the game is over. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On September 06 2013 06:00 Chairman Ray wrote: I'm not afk, and here. Since there's pressure on me now, I'm going to have to reveal some of my intentions. Not all of my posts thus far have been genuine to my feelings, but rather baits to get certain reactions. After thorough analysis, I have concluded that HolyFlare and Umasi are both town, and I am about 95% sure of it. I will post a very long analysis during the nighttime since there's only 1 hour left. I didn't vote Lord Velocity because I wanted him lynched. I voted him to pressure him into giving information. When Umasi pressured him early on, he paniced a lot. I pressured him again in case he would give out something incriminating, but he didn't. The reason I kept my vote on him was a bait for mafia. Since there's many votes on myRZeft, I needed to but a little buffer on someone else just so that mafia still thinks they have a chance at saving him by triple voting on someone. They have not fallen for that and it's 1 hour remaining. MyRZeft himself is not even joining a bandwagon and just voting on his own. This leads me to believe that myRZeft is not mafia. From all this information, I would urge you guys to not vote myRZeft. Also don't vote HolyFlare or Umasi, which I will explain later (I promise) And then look at the Koshi/Cheesecake/solstice situation. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF STUFF HE WAS TRYING TO PULL AS TOWN. I'M GOING TO DO X TO TRICK SCUM AND GET THEM TO REVEAL THEMSELVES. I know he's been told not to do it. I know he got lynched for it. But based on him DOING THIS PREVIOUSLY, RECENTLY, we know he LIKES this kind of stuff. I know I shouldn't be so paranoid, but it hits and I LIKE IT and I spam paranoid crap and I love it. Yum yum addictive. And then when ALL OF THIS COMES OUT TODAY, what does CR post? On October 06 2013 11:03 Chairman Ray wrote: Well, looks like an easy win for town lol. Do we think that solstice is the last banger or is he in the other mafia team? On October 06 2013 11:14 Chairman Ray wrote: ##unvote ##vote: solstice Looks pretty clear who our lynch should be. On October 06 2013 11:21 Chairman Ray wrote: I would prefer to lynch the solo banger over the other team, but I think a confirmed scum is probably better than risking it. On October 06 2013 11:34 Chairman Ray wrote: Have we considered the scenario where CC is faking it and solstice is innocent? On October 06 2013 11:34 Chairman Ray wrote: oh nvm On October 06 2013 11:34 Chairman Ray wrote: yeah, ez day, WOOHOO On October 06 2013 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote: He's not thinking about stuff. He's not INTERESTED in stuff. He goes "HAI HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THIS OTHER SCENARIO?"If you were the other cop, you should have claimed it ages ago when Koshi first came out. And what does he do with that question? NOTHING. He doesn't seem to consider it. He doesn't post implications. He doesn't discuss with any other people the issues that we are all discussing, that he asked a question about and is supposedly interested in. CR is HOLY BALLS SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:39 austinmcc wrote: Like...read this post: And then look at the Koshi/Cheesecake/solstice situation. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF STUFF HE WAS TRYING TO PULL AS TOWN. I'M GOING TO DO X TO TRICK SCUM AND GET THEM TO REVEAL THEMSELVES. I know he's been told not to do it. I know he got lynched for it. But based on him DOING THIS PREVIOUSLY, RECENTLY, we know he LIKES this kind of stuff. I know I shouldn't be so paranoid, but it hits and I LIKE IT and I spam paranoid crap and I love it. Yum yum addictive. And then when ALL OF THIS COMES OUT TODAY, what does CR post?He's not thinking about stuff. He's not INTERESTED in stuff. He goes "HAI HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THIS OTHER SCENARIO?" And what does he do with that question? NOTHING. He doesn't seem to consider it. He doesn't post implications. He doesn't discuss with any other people the issues that we are all discussing, that he asked a question about and is supposedly interested in. CR is HOLY BALLS SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY. Yup now I agree. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
It's someone playing a game that makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER and then drazerk going "Hey guys, that person making no sense and taking weird actions might be scum or might not, what do you think? Also, do you know when peach season is cuz I'd really like to eat a peach right now" It's someone making a ridiculous claim on D1 and VE going "Did that guy claim something? I can't remember. Hey, what PSI do my tires need to be at? I wonder if they're a little low." | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:36 VisceraEyes wrote: There's 1 guaranteed scum inside the cop claims and if we don't lynch scum today it's game over for town. The right play in my opinion is lynching the one-man scumteam - deciding who we think that is, and lynching it with fire. In this way we remove 1 KP from the game and 1 player not aligned with town and even if scum hit two people tonight, we still have a chance tomorrow. If we hit town with the lynch the game is over. If Koshi had come back and said the cop claim was a fakeclaim I probably would be agreeing to what Austin is suggesting, but VE absolutely has the right of it now. One of Koshi or Solstice is guaranteed scum. You don't get better than a 50% shot. I honestly don't even care if it turns out the scummer here is a member of the non-Bangers. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote: If Koshi had come back and said the cop claim was a fakeclaim I probably would be agreeing to what Austin is suggesting, but VE absolutely has the right of it now. One of Koshi or Solstice is guaranteed scum. You don't get better than a 50% shot. I honestly don't even care if it turns out the scummer here is a member of the non-Bangers. Then you're scum because if it hits anyone other than the Bangers town loses. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote: You absolutely positively get better than a 50% shot.If Koshi had come back and said the cop claim was a fakeclaim I probably would be agreeing to what Austin is suggesting, but VE absolutely has the right of it now. One of Koshi or Solstice is guaranteed scum. You don't get better than a 50% shot. I honestly don't even care if it turns out the scummer here is a member of the non-Bangers. You telling me that CR is 50/50? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
First, remember his day 1 and 2 play are extremely town and I absolutely loved them although some of the reasons were wrong. They contributed original thought and showed a new perspective which is indicative of town. Your mainly concerned with his day three play, which I will admit is a lot less and worse but it's not scum. I mean look at me, I know some of you even accuse me of this but there's no real reason to try during this day phase when we already found in my eyes a 95% scum. S0lstice has not convinced me in the least bit and probably never will unless there is substantial evidence that Koshi is scum. I have had no scum reads in Koshi and he has been playing like an actual cop not like a cop faking it. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Would you look at CR, look at SnB and Palmar's filters, and tell me whether you think: (1) CR is mafia (2) CR is > 50/50 mafia (3) CR is a decent fit for MCB Specifically, CR posting before the D3 lynch, that Palmar is scum but wants to save him. Or that Palmar is scum but doesn't give as much information as other scum so we should lynch others. That post. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Then you're scum because if it hits anyone other than the Bangers town loses. How so? 7-3-1 --->7-2-1 IF scum kill 3 of us: 4-2-1 How do we lose? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
7-1-3 right now I think. If we lynch the scum in the cop claims it's either 7-0-3 or 7-1-2 Assuming worst case (7-1-2) then tonight we could be looking at 3KP if DriveBy was used...making 4-1-2 So the game isn't OVER, per se, but we're definitely in a bad situation assuming scum kill the real cop and 2 of the confirmed town (Me/rayn/Oats if Koshi is cop, Me/Wave if s0L is cop) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:46 Pandain wrote: Pandain. I have two goals this game.Your reasons are extremely weak. First, remember his day 1 and 2 play are extremely town and I absolutely loved them although some of the reasons were wrong. They contributed original thought and showed a new perspective which is indicative of town. Your mainly concerned with his day three play, which I will admit is a lot less and worse but it's not scum. I mean look at me, I know some of you even accuse me of this but there's no real reason to try during this day phase when we already found in my eyes a 95% scum. S0lstice has not convinced me in the least bit and probably never will unless there is substantial evidence that Koshi is scum. I have had no scum reads in Koshi and he has been playing like an actual cop not like a cop faking it. (1) win (2) Have VA be wrong about stuff And sometimes, (2) is more important than (1). I really, really, really need you be town. Or else I will be sad. So please, discuss with me about how Koshi has been playing like an actual cop? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote: If we lynch NEITHER cop claimer today, the math is actually better for us tonight.Actually it doesn't now that I'm thinking about it. We're at 7-1-3 right now I think. If we lynch the scum in the cop claims it's either 7-0-3 or 7-1-2 Assuming worst case (7-1-2) then tonight we could be looking at 3KP if DriveBy was used...making 4-1-2 So the game isn't OVER, per se, but we're definitely in a bad situation assuming scum kill the real cop and 2 of the confirmed town (Me/rayn/Oats if Koshi is cop, Me/Wave if s0L is cop) Again, scum is either dealing with having to protect solstice OR dealing with an extra protect FROM solstice onto town | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
1. I had a town read on Koshi up until the s0lstice claim. I would have at least been suspicious of him, but he played exactly like a cop even denying that he's cop and then eventually acknowledging it. 2. He's been slowly confirming townies which is what a cop should do . Furthermore all his confirmations in VE, Rayn, and Oats(less on Oats) I have town reads on. That logic makes sense if he's town. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:50 Pandain wrote: I have to go unfortunately but these were my reasons: 1. I had a town read on Koshi up until the s0lstice claim. I would have at least been suspicious of him, but he played exactly like a cop even denying that he's cop and then eventually acknowledging it. 2. He's been slowly confirming townies which is what a cop should do . Furthermore all his confirmations in VE, Rayn, and Oats(less on Oats) I have town reads on. That logic makes sense if he's town. On the other side of the coin we have s0Lstice, who is letting a confirmed liar confirm people as town and letting town lynch based on these confirmations. In the name of some plan to claim scum, hoping that town believes him and doesn't lynch the shit out of him. This is not how I expect a cop to act. Ever. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 07 2013 04:50 austinmcc wrote: If we lynch NEITHER cop claimer today, the math is actually better for us tonight. Again, scum is either dealing with having to protect solstice OR dealing with an extra protect FROM solstice onto town The only way this is better for us is if scum removes some uncertainty by killing some townies the rest of town is unsure about. As is VE is likely dead since no vest and confirmed town by 'either' cop. They could probably kill Rayn too who people thought was town before being confirmed by Koshi. I'm not so sure it does help us and I don't know if that's worth the risk honestly. | ||
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