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) which is obviously not random.We shot you last game because Pandain/Rayn/Debaers were all up against each other's throats and you seemed like you could become a potential threat when you had time to be active.
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
) which is obviously not random.We shot you last game because Pandain/Rayn/Debaers were all up against each other's throats and you seemed like you could become a potential threat when you had time to be active. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 27 2013 08:05 Grackaroni wrote: (Not intended to be insulting but instructive) Chairman Ray has been mislynched twice in a row as town day1 FirmTofu as well has had the lynch pushed on to him several times as town day 1. This is what mafia are comfortable doing, not random lynching. This is just flat out wrong. You have no what faction pushed CR's lynch in Noire, and therefore you cannot be sure that's what scum will do. I was basically pushing FT's lynch (since I didn't want CR lynched) in Noire D1 but I flipped town. Most of the time, D1 lynches are an absolute crapshoot, and/or between two townies so scum can just rest on their laurels. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh another thing I neglected to mention about Grack: This was his reaction to my first post. A lot less thought put into what essentially amounts to an 'easy' read with no real stance taken. Similar to VE's, yet different. VE chose to actually try to read me and my actions while Grack simply looked into the last post I made in a thread he was reading that seems to corroborate what isn't even a read. I don't know, call it a gut thing but even though I don't necessarily like either's reaction to my post, I like Grack's a LOT less. That's because it wasn't a read. people were saying were being insincere and from reading your posts last game I am saying it's probably not that important. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:55 yamato77 wrote: You have no right to complain about anything. Thank you yamato. Quick Q for you. Is your response to my first post and as well your play this game all for show? You seem to be making quite an effort to appear similar to Noire. I am well aware of how you've played in toher games and it's not like this isn't normal for you, but the sheer confidence this early straight out of another towngame (now that you've flipped) to me can't be alignment indicative because I know you are well aware of your meta. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Thank you yamato. Quick Q for you. Is your response to my first post and as well your play this game all for show? You seem to be making quite an effort to appear similar to Noire. I am well aware of how you've played in toher games and it's not like this isn't normal for you, but the sheer confidence this early straight out of another towngame (now that you've flipped) to me can't be alignment indicative because I know you are well aware of your meta. Some of it is residual frustration from the other game, some of it is legitimately that grack/BH make me want to kill them. Regardless, we both know I'm horrid as mafia, so this shouldn't be a concern for long. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:56 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't lie about anything... VE said that he was only ok with a random lynch if it was truly random and then I suggested the random lynch of me picking Palmar. (proof I'm not a fan of Palmar ) which is obviously not random.We shot you last game because Pandain/Rayn/Debaers were all up against each other's throats and you seemed like you could become a potential threat when you had time to be active. Hmm I think I this went differently in my head. I suppose it wasn't exactly a lie, no, and you have been pushing for the RNG since. I'm not sure why you bothered explaining that you were trolling about Palmar, but whatever. Why did you explain the reasoning for your shot on me last game? On September 27 2013 11:58 Grackaroni wrote: That's because it wasn't a read. people were saying were being insincere and from reading your posts last game I am saying it's probably not that important. Alright, give me a read now. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:03 yamato77 wrote: Some of it is residual frustration from the other game, some of it is legitimately that grack/BH make me want to kill them. Regardless, we both know I'm horrid as mafia, so this shouldn't be a concern for long. Yamato, bravado aside, do you think this town is capable of lynching scum D1? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Yamato, bravado aside, do you think this town is capable of lynching scum D1? If Palmar is town, yes. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Hmm I think I this went differently in my head. I suppose it wasn't exactly a lie, no, and you have been pushing for the RNG since. I'm not sure why you bothered explaining that you were trolling about Palmar, but whatever. Why did you explain the reasoning for your shot on me last game? Alright, give me a read now. I explain because people like you/koshi are calling it a contradiction and questioning me on it Palmar is probably town just from the post where he called me an asshole, it felt genuine. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
This is where I'm sadly going to have to disagree with you. I'm not even sure I understand what Palmar being town even has to do with you answer. I fully support an RNG lynch today, given there is some fair and unbiased way of doing it. I have never taken this position before in any game and I have flat-out disagreed with it before, but call it a tactical choice or the straw the broke the camel's back, I think it is the best option. Statistically it clearly makes sense, that is a given. All of the detractors of the idea are basically putting town's ability to root out and find scum above statistics. This is a fair point given a balanced game full of participants. Sadly, much like every game on TL, this will not be happening. VE and I were having a discussion yesterday about how this game is 'stacked' and should go theoretically for town. I stated 'Well why is town in Noire losing so badly? Many of the same people are playing in there, and even if they're not all town, all of the strong players in their surely can't all be scum!" He stated it's because of all of the other....chaff in there bringing down the atmosphere, shitposting, and making bad plays. I didn't disagree with him. The issue is I can't say for certain I see a difference in this game despite the size difference lessening the background noise. (VE and/or BH feel free to correct any of the above if I am misrepresenting the way you think the conversation went down.) I have completely lost all faith in TL towns. I am obviously not good enough to carry a town myself, even if I don't get shot N1 and as such sionce I can't put the entire towngame on myself, and I can't rely on the rest of town to do it, I do the next best thing and resort to RNG to start us off. Thoughts and comments welcome. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Fuck. ##vote WoS | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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FirmTofu
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I consider this a real topic of discussion now and want everyone to assent or deny lynching via RNG. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Defeatist whiney bullshit aside, I'm taking that as a vote for RNG lynch. I consider this a real topic of discussion now and want everyone to assent or deny lynching via RNG. With reasoning. Obviously. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:43 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys, I'm gonna read this thread after TL Noir so don't votepile me just yet. I'll be back soon. Why so Scared? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
And also it shows that nobody has the balls to actually push a dude for lynching. Honestly, I dont see how there are associative tells related to that. If Im scum, I just say YES RNG LYNCH. and if it ends up on my scumbuddy, oh well, SUPPORT IT 100%. Unless you have a followup like, RNG a dude then discuss then decide. But in a 19 player game, that could get real messy really fast. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
First thoughts sense reading the thread, I would like to hear more from ShiaoPi, and VA. Both are giving off a "nothing to see here" vibe so far. Lets hear something more substantial please. Yamato, VE, and Grackaroni, you guys just keep doing your thing. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
2) Random lynching isn't just bad because town could do better, it's also bad because it essentially wastes 48 hours of town's time on a lynch that no one had to take any stance on or push, and gives no valuable leads like vote counts, vote posts, and vote reasonings. Even if we lynch scum with this method, it means very little. Even if we lynch town on a normal day 1 lynch, it can mean a lot. There's no reason to random lynch, even if statistics is in favor. It's a pro-mafia move. That's why I've been shitting on the idea since the game started and why my vote sits on grack, yet now I see you espousing the same sentiment? I'm willing to excuse this on the fact that you're butthurt because you've played in a string of bad towns, but seriously, this is shit that should be policy lynched. You've lost anything you gained by being suspicious of grack by echoing the same stupid sentiment. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 27 2013 12:48 hiro protagonist wrote: Sup Homies. long time sense I last played, lets get to it. First thoughts sense reading the thread, I would like to hear more from ShiaoPi, and VA. Both are giving off a "nothing to see here" vibe so far. Lets hear something more substantial please. Yamato, VE, and Grackaroni, you guys just keep doing your thing. Lol what is their 'thing'? Also what reads do you have on the 3 dudes you mentioned at the bottom? | ||
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