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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 02 2013 16:16 GMT
#2341
I actually revised the plan, so that they are talking about the old plan is a lot stranger
I come in for the scraps
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2013 16:18 GMT
#2342
On October 03 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 23:44 austinmcc wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:42 Koshi wrote:
Ok seriously. How does scum give a townie a bulletproof vest without noticing?

I can't win vs scum that are next level ninjas.
No.

Everyone who thinks that FT is scum believes that he is on a scum team with access to bulletproof vests. Read da OP. Sacrifice KP = give a member of your team a bulletproof vest.

The plan to have FT not wear a vest tonight and get shot by cops was being proposed, iirc, by people who were cool with lynching FT --> they believe he's scum.

But again, if he's scum he can sac KP and grab a vest.

If he's town, he won't get shot. If he's scum, we'll use a cop shot and he'll say "I totes wore my vest just in case scum wanted to shoot me tonight" and be "confirmed town" because people don't read the OP.

In neither case is that good for town. It's either a waste of powers or going to confuse thread because cops don't 100% kill scum with that crap, given that scum can bulletproof up if the shot is called.

So who was it who originally came up with that plan?
VA?
Is it indicative at all of his alignment that he would suggest that? Knowing Vayne he's not stupid enough to not think there'd be counterplay.
I'm more worried about people who go

YA GUD IDEAR

than the original

palmar/koshi i believe
Fe fi fo fum.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 02 2013 16:18 GMT
#2343
Since firmtofu will be a point of interest tonight, I thought it would be better to attempt the precision shot/walkie talkie combo on a random player (not random but you get what i mean) if that is even possible
I come in for the scraps
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 02 2013 16:20 GMT
#2344
Oh and for those curious on Oats scumread:
Take a gander at his filter.
All he does all game is one-liners and random-ass questions that lead absolutely nowhere.
Zero substantiated reads and zero pushes.

Even a town Oats who plays like shit does more than this. He's very clearly not trying to find scum.
There's a few more fun things in his filter like him saying how worried he is that yamato is going to flip town, then he votes for him not too long after that and leaves it up most of the day. Not sure how indicative that is on its own but whatever.

Oats did you ever explain how you are 'confirmed town?'
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 02 2013 16:21 GMT
#2345
Just so I understand this plan. If the cops would walkie talkie you, would you have anything interesting to say in PMs or are you just going to be the guy that tells the entire thread what the gathered information is?
I had a good night of sleep.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 02 2013 16:22 GMT
#2346
On October 03 2013 01:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
Since firmtofu will be a point of interest tonight, I thought it would be better to attempt the precision shot/walkie talkie combo on a random player (not random but you get what i mean) if that is even possible

How would that make it any different at all?
If FT is scum and gets protected then it's the same problem, and then you're masoned with scum which could go either way, and doesn't necessarily prove anything.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 02 2013 16:23 GMT
#2347
On October 03 2013 01:21 Koshi wrote:
Just so I understand this plan. If the cops would walkie talkie you, would you have anything interesting to say in PMs or are you just going to be the guy that tells the entire thread what the gathered information is?


You don't tell the thread shit unless they are lynch some one in the town circle. The point of it is for the cops to gain a running tally on all town members they find. They can then pass on other town members to the next walkie talkie target and the previous members will know to follow the cops lead until you basically have another "scumteam" with even more members. that are actually town.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 02 2013 16:24 GMT
#2348
On October 03 2013 01:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 01:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
Since firmtofu will be a point of interest tonight, I thought it would be better to attempt the precision shot/walkie talkie combo on a random player (not random but you get what i mean) if that is even possible

How would that make it any different at all?
If FT is scum and gets protected then it's the same problem, and then you're masoned with scum which could go either way, and doesn't necessarily prove anything.


That would mean the scum team would have to waste KP points on correctly guessing who you are going to try and recruit, which isn't very reliable.
I come in for the scraps
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 02 2013 16:25 GMT
#2349
On October 03 2013 01:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 01:21 Koshi wrote:
Just so I understand this plan. If the cops would walkie talkie you, would you have anything interesting to say in PMs or are you just going to be the guy that tells the entire thread what the gathered information is?


You don't tell the thread shit unless they are lynch some one in the town circle. The point of it is for the cops to gain a running tally on all town members they find. They can then pass on other town members to the next walkie talkie target and the previous members will know to follow the cops lead until you basically have another "scumteam" with even more members. that are actually town.

Isn't it easier to just tell the thread the gathered information on D3 and then just bus that cop on N4 and onwards?
I had a good night of sleep.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 02 2013 16:26 GMT
#2350
On October 03 2013 01:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 01:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
On October 03 2013 01:21 Koshi wrote:
Just so I understand this plan. If the cops would walkie talkie you, would you have anything interesting to say in PMs or are you just going to be the guy that tells the entire thread what the gathered information is?


You don't tell the thread shit unless they are lynch some one in the town circle. The point of it is for the cops to gain a running tally on all town members they find. They can then pass on other town members to the next walkie talkie target and the previous members will know to follow the cops lead until you basically have another "scumteam" with even more members. that are actually town.

Isn't it easier to just tell the thread the gathered information on D3 and then just bus that cop on N4 and onwards?


No because then the scumteam knows the town circle o_O scum are in this thread too. has to be done strictly in the QT and PMs
I come in for the scraps
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2013 16:26 GMT
#2351
Which maybe works except maybe those abilities are on the same cop so we can't know what they're going to do. It's two dudes with a list of powers and a mason chat and 120 hours by now. If they can't figure out what good things are for them to be doing, then....

Plus gang members have the pay phone dealy, so there's no guarantee that when someone masons you, they're automatically da popo. Gotta actually figure out whether you trust em.

All that aside, VA isn't super mega scummy for suggesting that. Again, I'm more worried about the followup, people who read the comment but didn't think things through (or did and realized that it's not as airtight as originally thought)

On October 02 2013 23:03 Palmar wrote:
Someone mentioned cops shooting FT tonight and asking FT not to use his vest. I think that would be a pretty solid plan.
On October 02 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 23:03 Palmar wrote:
Someone mentioned cops shooting FT tonight and asking FT not to use his vest. I think that would be a pretty solid plan.

Smart plan.

FT if you read this. Can you confirm not using vest?

+ Show Spoiler +
I am not a cop but doing their work. kk?


Fe fi fo fum.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 02 2013 16:29 GMT
#2352
On October 03 2013 01:26 austinmcc wrote:
Which maybe works except maybe those abilities are on the same cop so we can't know what they're going to do. It's two dudes with a list of powers and a mason chat and 120 hours by now. If they can't figure out what good things are for them to be doing, then....

Plus gang members have the pay phone dealy, so there's no guarantee that when someone masons you, they're automatically da popo. Gotta actually figure out whether you trust em.

All that aside, VA isn't super mega scummy for suggesting that. Again, I'm more worried about the followup, people who read the comment but didn't think things through (or did and realized that it's not as airtight as originally thought)

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 23:03 Palmar wrote:
Someone mentioned cops shooting FT tonight and asking FT not to use his vest. I think that would be a pretty solid plan.
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
On October 02 2013 23:03 Palmar wrote:
Someone mentioned cops shooting FT tonight and asking FT not to use his vest. I think that would be a pretty solid plan.

Smart plan.

FT if you read this. Can you confirm not using vest?

+ Show Spoiler +
I am not a cop but doing their work. kk?




That is in the essence the point of the plan though. WIFOM scum into wasting valuable KP on shit like payphones and stuff, which is way less useful to scum then it is to town lol
I come in for the scraps
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2013 16:30 GMT
#2353
Like, again, here's the OP

On September 23 2013 05:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
POLICE

2 Police (Buddy Cop Team) - By-the-book and loose-cannon cops. Both have a number of items which they can use a set number of times. Some items are exclusive to each cop, others are not. Here is the list:

You don't know how many uses each item has. You don't know which cop has an item, or if both cops get it, etc. etc.

I <3<3<3<3<3 speculation, and THIS is the sort that sometimes goes somewhere.

BUT

In this case, it's not really. I'm going to trust that two townies, given 144 hours, a mason chat, and a list of what they can do (unseen by other people) can figure out good and pro-town actions to take.

The more we discuss it in thread, the more it clogs thread up with stuff that ultimately doesn't matter. I think initial reactions to plans and whatnot can be factored into reads, but at some point we turn away from scumhunting and turn towards "well if the cops can do x, they should do x, but if they can only y, then maybe do b instead" and that's not nearly as helpful as scumhunting, and lets scum get into thread and be slightly active about some topic other than scumhunting.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 02 2013 16:41 GMT
#2354
I didn't mean to poop on the party that hard
Fe fi fo fum.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 02 2013 16:44 GMT
#2355
Nah I'm getting ready to leave anyway.
Won't be around for Daypost.

Do you think I should use my vest?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 02 2013 16:45 GMT
#2356
Yes so we can lynch scum together
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 02 2013 16:46 GMT
#2357
Don't want to deal with rabid town myself.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 02 2013 16:54 GMT
#2358
On October 03 2013 01:45 Pandain wrote:
Yes so we can lynch scum together

yeah you mean da other scumteam, right?

I might be able to get a reads list out before daypost.
we c.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 02 2013 16:56 GMT
#2359
On October 03 2013 01:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 01:45 Pandain wrote:
Yes so we can lynch scum together

yeah you mean da other scumteam, right?

I might be able to get a reads list out before daypost.
we c.


If you're insinuating I'm scum, my posts should reveal otherwise.

I wouldn't go too heavy revealing yourself unless you aren't using a vest, showing scum you're on to them just gives you reason to shoot them.

I'm going to only reveal my suspicions on two members in particular, for instance.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 02 2013 16:56 GMT
#2360
them reason to shoot you*
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