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On September 13 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm leaning scum tbh. Even though I hate rayn's claims with a passion its probably not unreasonable to say that they cause some amount of uncertainty to the scummers who would probably not mind doing without.
Although rayns reads this game are even worse than most of his other games (apparently thats even possible) so there is that.
<3
Who's found scum in last couple of games and who's not? *Ego*
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SnB explain your last 2 posts please?
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I don't care about attention on me. I play better and you can't mislynch me either way. ^^
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On September 13 2013 03:28 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm leaning scum tbh. Even though I hate rayn's claims with a passion its probably not unreasonable to say that they cause some amount of uncertainty to the scummers who would probably not mind doing without.
Although rayns reads this game are even worse than most of his other games (apparently thats even possible) so there is that. <3 Who's found scum in last couple of games and who's not? *Ego* As I recall I found 2 scum in desert, one of them got derailed by you and your fucking mason claim with oats. Then, in aperature, I caught a scum without reading. You didn't catch any. Game and match
I was talking to Sno, but still:
Your Sylencia wagon on D1 (which i agreed with) was derailed by Oats wagon, who i saved in the end.
Anyways this is pointless.
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Can someone tell me why blubbers is scum? He retracted from his bad argument when pointed out he's wrong.
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On September 13 2013 03:34 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 03:28 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm leaning scum tbh. Even though I hate rayn's claims with a passion its probably not unreasonable to say that they cause some amount of uncertainty to the scummers who would probably not mind doing without.
Although rayns reads this game are even worse than most of his other games (apparently thats even possible) so there is that. <3 Who's found scum in last couple of games and who's not? *Ego* As I recall I found 2 scum in desert, one of them got derailed by you and your fucking mason claim with oats. Then, in aperature, I caught a scum without reading. You didn't catch any. Game and match I was talking to Sno, but still: Your Sylencia wagon on D1 (which i agreed with) was derailed by Oats wagon, who i saved in the end. Anyways this is pointless. My point is simple Stop waving your dick around in people's faces like you are better than them. Your play was unacceptable in Desert. Your play in aperature was terrible. You aren't as good as you fucking think. Get over yourself. Relearn how to play. Starting with your playstyle. Post less and think more. Maybe then you will actually be good *note to everyone* - this is me just bitching at him because I've had to deal with this for two games straight. He needs to be put in his place by somebody, regardless of his alignment this game
I'll say this once and only once, and i hope you never bring this matter up again.
I do not think i am some fucking god who is above all others. If someone says i did something wrong i am able to understand it, there is no need to fucking yell it straight to my face with invalid arguments. I make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, there is no reason to call someone retarded or terrible because they make mistakes. I am learning all the time, but the truth is no matter how good you/me are, there is no fucking reason to call me names because of something i did in any game.
You need to learn from marv in that matter. I had a long talk with him about Desert game, nobody called anyone names, it was constructive. I accept constructive critisism, i do not accept bullshit based on nothing. It may be that you are a lot better than i am, but it's not me "waving my dick here", it's you who is doing so.
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On September 13 2013 03:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can someone tell me why blubbers is scum? He retracted from his bad argument when pointed out he's wrong. I am waiting on his first good argument.
yeah me too.
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On September 13 2013 03:47 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 03:36 Koshi wrote:On September 13 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can someone tell me why blubbers is scum? He retracted from his bad argument when pointed out he's wrong. I am waiting on his first good argument. yeah me too. yet you asked why is blubbers scum? and I will talk to you in postgame about your play in desert and here thus far
I have explained why i think he is town, if you have read the thread you should know it.
Can you answer my questions post?
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On September 13 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:01 Papa_Smurf wrote:
One more thing. Vayne and I seem to be thinking along the same paths. That's a good sign. Grack has constantly been along my line of thinking. good sign.
As of now, I will be down for a blubb lynch and kush lynch. I remember you as a guy who is not hopping on easy lynches. You are a guy who gives reasoning for his reads and acts based on it. You have a valid point on kush (in your other post), however discussing it is useless. Why is blubb scum? Can you comment on my case on Old Partner?
+ 2 questions.
1) Why are you shitting up the thread for no reason?
2) What's wrong with my play in this gmae? Does it make me scum? How?
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On September 13 2013 03:54 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did marv tell you not to tunnel a townie Day 1? This was a serious question rayn. Lynching you doesn't seem as unreasonable as I had thought. I'm wondering where your famous day-1 tunnel has gone? its almost halfway through day 1 already.
So what, i need to tunnel a townie to not get lynched on D1? Is that what you are saying? I don't see where you are heading with this so could you please clarify?
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Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain.
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On September 13 2013 04:03 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 03:54 Sn0_Man wrote:On September 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did marv tell you not to tunnel a townie Day 1? This was a serious question rayn. Lynching you doesn't seem as unreasonable as I had thought. I'm wondering where your famous day-1 tunnel has gone? its almost halfway through day 1 already. So what, i need to tunnel a townie to not get lynched on D1? Is that what you are saying? I don't see where you are heading with this so could you please clarify? I've never played with you where you weren't certain you'd nailed scum day 1. It doesn't feel like you, so I'm wondering if this is some sort of "new you" based on chats with marv or if this is some sort of scum afraid of looking bad so avoiding any kind of ridiculous tunnel. Alternately scum you unable to enter the "X MUST BE SCUM" mindset that you use when you are town.
In my past scum games i enter that too, let it be my scumbuddy or not.
I am trying to play so that people would actually listen to me instead of calling me retarded for the first couple of phases. Does that make me mafia?
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On September 13 2013 04:04 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain. start reading please Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 15:58 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.
Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.
VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)
I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.
I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.
Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.
I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. The two bolded parts don't seem to come from a town mindset. 1) (As I said in an earlier post), SnB's finding me signing up as a coach for newbies isn't "research". He probably saw the post in the forum with my name as the latest post and looked at it for a second. It's something that either alignment would do, seeing as knowing who the smurf is can help mafia consider nks more easily. 2) The wording you use on kush seems to infer you think he is town "posting like shit" - that is not the same as "posting like scum". Posting like shit would infer that you think he is town and he should post better "he'll be useless to the thread basically" - you say uselessness as though he is town. "he has ignored OP's (my plea actually) plea to stop spamming" - kush hasn't really been spamming. And you act as though he wouldn't ignore OP's plea anyways. If you thought he was town, that would be a reasonable assumption that he should listen to non spam pleas. But, if he's mafia, he doesn't have motive to listen to such pleas other than to avoid being lynched. I find it odd that none of your words come close to calling kush scum, yet you would lynch him purely for posting like shit, uselessness, and ignoring a plea to not spam. Not scumminess. 3) you have a major contradiction here in these two parts of your post Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos.You say zealos seems town, then say he should be considered highly suspicious. I wouldn't think town would get that mixed up in their reads in one post
Right. Does this make him scum? My argument throughout the day has been that OP has been bringing up the exact same invalid points - besides this NOTHING MORE! How is Pandain more suspicious than OP?
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On September 13 2013 04:06 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain. When are scum wrong? Not very often TBH. We are calling it scummy since its weak contribution, looks really framed (tryhard thread entry is scummy) and the fact that he instantly recanted and peaced is very very weak.
So weak contribution when you have not played with these people in ~1yr is better than same bad arguments (besides the good ones) and nothing more?
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On September 13 2013 04:10 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 04:04 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain. start reading please On September 12 2013 15:58 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.
Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.
VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)
I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.
I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.
Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.
I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. The two bolded parts don't seem to come from a town mindset. 1) (As I said in an earlier post), SnB's finding me signing up as a coach for newbies isn't "research". He probably saw the post in the forum with my name as the latest post and looked at it for a second. It's something that either alignment would do, seeing as knowing who the smurf is can help mafia consider nks more easily. 2) The wording you use on kush seems to infer you think he is town "posting like shit" - that is not the same as "posting like scum". Posting like shit would infer that you think he is town and he should post better "he'll be useless to the thread basically" - you say uselessness as though he is town. "he has ignored OP's (my plea actually) plea to stop spamming" - kush hasn't really been spamming. And you act as though he wouldn't ignore OP's plea anyways. If you thought he was town, that would be a reasonable assumption that he should listen to non spam pleas. But, if he's mafia, he doesn't have motive to listen to such pleas other than to avoid being lynched. I find it odd that none of your words come close to calling kush scum, yet you would lynch him purely for posting like shit, uselessness, and ignoring a plea to not spam. Not scumminess. 3) you have a major contradiction here in these two parts of your post Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos.You say zealos seems town, then say he should be considered highly suspicious. I wouldn't think town would get that mixed up in their reads in one post Right. Does this make him scum? My argument throughout the day has been that OP has been bringing up the exact same invalid points - besides this NOTHING MORE! How is Pandain more suspicious than OP? 1)Remember how OO wanted to lynch me for being useless, then voted me. Pandain did the same thing with kush. 2) Then he called someone town and suspicious in the same post. That's definitely awkward if he is town. 3) And his reasoning for his townread on SnB is totally off. so 1) is scummy 2) is weird as hell for a town to say 3) is bad logic See what I'm gettin at?
I'm gonna go to sauna for ~15min now. I'll explain this after. I don't however understand how you think like this in case you are town. Please wait for my post. It'll be here soonish.
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Okay debears (and everyone). This is what i am saying:
Your points of Pandain being scum are:
1) His town read on SnB based on bad reasons
2) policy lynch kushmasta because not helping
3) stance on Zealos (town) and then calling him a good lynch because lurker
Now let's compare Pandain's / Old Partner's posts:
+ Show Spoiler +Pandain:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.
Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.
VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)
I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.
I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.
Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.
I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. On September 12 2013 14:03 Pandain wrote:
Ignore this post except for one key point I realized so we can stay on track of what matters: lurkers.
Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise.
Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up. Old Partner:On September 12 2013 12:31 Old Partner wrote:Wow, so this started! I've finally read up to the most recent page, so here are my notes so far and my statements and questions. + Show Spoiler [notes] +
Up through P6
Koshi says policy is "lynch scum". joking? meaningful? what does this mean. says that grack is not a troll. votes SnB for saying "ok but how will you make sure the rest of town doesn't lynch not scum" in response to policy post. wtf?
SnB notes PS is coaching a newbie game and asks about it. This is actually pretty next-level and tells me he is town. why is PS and Koshi voting SnB for trying to figure out who PS is? SnB noticing PS in a newbie game and making this connection... means he is probably town. This kind of extra level of thinking is something a town who is honestly trying to figure things out would do.
Grack is policy lynching kush. I am okay with this-- kush is illegible. TL towns don't policy lynch nearly enough.
P7
Koshi's thing about SnB's word choice is stupid. his word choice being different could be because he has a different alignment, but could be do to any other number of variables, including being presented with a novel "policy"
Kush is trolling and I feel stronger about grack's policy vote on kush. His aggression towards kush seems a little over the top but it's okay.
Vayne comes in and is actually making a lot of sense. I'm glad he was here at this time.
Papasmurf swapping votes to VA seems pretty obviously a knee-jerk reaction. Judging from his word choice, high post count, and the way he moves his votes in response to innocuous statements, he is probably BH. I know you think this kind of thing is real pressure BH/PS, but it's really not. all it does is make your vote meaningless. I revise my read in papasmurf from scummish to townish if he is really BH-- this is how BH plays as town.
Vayne's post #137 further reinforces my idea that he is town. His questions are good but don't take into account who papasmurf is.
I don't like SnB's #138 though. His responses aren't really meaningful and dont' promote discussion, but it looks like he's contributing. If SnB is scum, I'd be more convinced by hist post #138 than by the other posts he's made before that.
P8
Papasmurf is being typical blazinghand in his argument with VA. VA equivocating in post #143 sounds like backtracking, but when you've got PS/BH on you for every little turn of phrase, posts like that get made. Still, a point against him.
What is Koshi saying here?
SnB's post here isn't scummy but it's not very well-thought-out. why ask all these questions in one post? of course you don't find someone defending you worrying, because he's DEFENDING you. VA's defense is reasonable and people's attacks on SNB prior to P7 second half are unreasonable, but VA has definitely defended SnB on relatively shakey grounds with SnB only had two votes on him. Who is SnB to say that VA wasn't "trying to be right" as so many scum do? What we have here is SnB 'wants' VA to be town, because he doesn't like the idea of being defended by scum. Not saying it's true/false, but SnB what you're doing here is stating a conclusion then looking for evidence to back it up, rather than the other way around.
PS/BH with the classic "dumb or scum" statement.
P9
VA's "my two cents" and "lol" strike me as odd in 162. Would you say that as town? off-handedly, sure. I like VA for town still. I could see him diffusing tension after this, though. I have questions for him.
WoS's inactivity claim strikes me as very convenient. This should be considered a mark against him regardless of circumstances.
GK's entrance is solid. It's the kind of question someone who just caught up reading would ask-- he's actually reading the thread for sure.
So, now that I'm caught up, a few statements and questions
1. I know this game is very conversational, but all the spam and one-lining makes it difficult to read and analyze. Some people have that style, and it doesn't take that much longer to read, but it will take me a little bit of time to get used to it. I am glad that people are getting involved! 2. Yes, I am a smurf. I have played on TL before and thought I could use a new start... the hosts know about this and are okay with it. 3. I know we're long past policy, but since I am a smurf and don't have a history written out of what policies I like, here are my thoughts on policy: i. TL towns do not policy lynch enough, not by far ii. the policy lynch should be used D1, not any time close to lylo, since the d1 lynch is the least useful iii. the policy lynch must be stated with full willingness to follow through, and mislynch, as a result iiii. policy lynch should be used on fake-claimers, liars, lurkers, and players whose play is generally unacceptable. v. I may have a scumread today I consider more strongly than a policy lynch. I will be open as possible with my reads and thoughts so that i can be convinced, and convincing. I think our best play on D1 can be to policy lynch though... it makes play stronger. I am aware this is a controversial opinion, but it is also a good one. If you disagree with me, that is okay 4. This is @vayneauthority: despite the fact that you have interacted obliquely with Koshi, you do not mention him ever. Do you think he is town, or he is scum? What do you think of his initial vote on SnB for questioning his "policy" of lynching scum? What do you think of his "policy"? Why haven't you weighed in on him yet? 5. this is @SnB: you think koshi is "uncomfortable" and "projecting"... and you also say he is "silly". do you have a scumread on him or not? 5.b this is @SnB: what do you think of VA, in light of my notes on him? Would you say your perception of him is colored by his defense of you? taking that into account, do you see why he is viewed as scummy? 6. this is @papa_smurf: why did you smurf into this game? Are you really BH? After you unvote SnB you don't mention him again. Do you still have a scumread on him, or do you think he is town because VA is scum? On September 12 2013 13:07 Old Partner wrote:now I am really caught up! More statements and questions accompany these notes. + Show Spoiler [P11 and P12 notes[/spoiler] +P10
GK's question of grack is reasonable
grack's response is also seems reasonable
wow, I really like GK's followup analysis/summary in post #183. I hadn't realized this sort of contradiction in grack's reasoning. After all, it does seem weird for VA to have a strong townread so suddenly, but he did give a reason. the natural point to turn on thwn would be to engage that reason in discussion/analysis.
WoS's followup looks town-motivated to me. I don't like that he calls SnB's unusually strong effort not-townie. SnB seems like a somewhat obvious town to me at least in terms of how he's thinking. If his usual level of effort is less than this, and he stepped it up, he should be town. WoS could really not know what to think of this, but i dont' see why this would not be a towntell for SnB. I haven't been paying an appropriate amount of attention to grack, and WoS's read looks like a solid one to me. He is jumping the gun by voting on small evidence, but perhaps that is his style-- all ##vote and no ##fos. I will be interested to see his target's regracktion to this attack. A standard call-out of a /confirmer and a name-claimer, nothing too special at the end there. Overall, I am less interested in a WoS lynch today after this post. If he will be posting like this regularly he is worth keeping around.
His statement on Kush intrigues me. I am not familiar with Kush's meta other than that many players consider him bad/trollish.
I don't understand VA's non-3p read. That's not a useful read to make at all. 8(
Ah, here we see debears smurf-slipping, as mentioned to me. Papa_smurf, what a chump!
VA is backtracking and equivocating again. This is not what I would expect a town player to do. his response to the debears smurfslip is immediate suspicion based on... lying?
P11
It looks like now there is a discussion about Aperture mafia and these players interacted there. PS/DB's read on VA's early strong read (something that scum would do, say, on a townie to collect towncred) is supposed to not make sense given that PS/DB played with VA in Aperture.
I'm not sure why PS/DB backs off from VA here. 1. @VA, if you are accusing PS/DB of not understanding your meta and hiding that fact based on events in Aperture, you should quote, link, or otherwise point us towards the incrongruity. 2. @WoS, I would like to know about your read on SnB. SnB's finding out that PS is coaching a newbie game, then asking him about it, strikes me as townie. After all, making that connection is not something he'd have to do as scum. Townies inherently are trying to find things out about the game, whereas scum are trying to conceal. You also make a meta note that SnB is trying much harder to help and be productive this game. Why doesn't this result in a townread on SnB for you? I'd like to hear your thought process. 3. @VA (again), I'd like to know specifically what lead to your non-3p read on WoS. You say it was just a joke, but this is the second time you have backtracked/equivocated. I'm willing to accept it as a joke, especially with the smiley face, but what brought it to mind? Why, in a post in which you explicitly buddy WoS, do you say your read on him is non-3p, and not say, townie? I know you have history with him, but surely you'd prefer to just call him town? 4 @PS/DB, I am okay with kush's policy vote on WoS-- it is not a scumtell. I am willing to policy lynch kush based on his previous play, but we have not come to that part of the day yet. There is much to see and talk about first. Would you be interested in policy lynching kush? unless we have a vigilante, we can expect him to be a burden at LYLO. he has said and analyzed nothing, and his taste in culinary television is questionable at best.
Similitaries:
- Read on SnB (your point (1) of Pandain being scum)
- Policy on kush (your point (2) of Pandain being scum)
Differences:
- Pandain gives other reads with reasoning
- Old Partner says:
1) "This happened then that happened"
2) "These guys could be scum or they could be town"
TLDR; Why are people sold on Pandain being scum but ignoring OP, as they have same (bad) arguments, but Pandain has some good ones too, when OP does not?
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Okay based on Pandain's last post i am okay with lynching him..
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EBWOP: Bad posts, the posts on this page.
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Pandain: Who do you think is scummiest atm? Why?
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Everyone who is arguing for Pandain lynch you need to read my post and tell me why i am wrong before doing this!
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