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On September 17 2013 10:14 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2013 08:35 strongandbig wrote:On September 17 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is a vigi, shoot Strongandbig, i guarantee you he'll flip scum! Haha rayn you're cute. I'm But if you're still serious. (1) it's very hypocritical for you to push me for not doing anything day 2 when you were the one saying that as long as you were happy with the lynch you were not going to make cases. No one did anything day 2 cause the lynch was essentially pre-determined. (2) Why would I as scum have pushed hard for a last minute vote switch onto zealos when I could easily have swapped to kush? (3) compare my play this game to any scum game of mine and tell me they're similar. I dare you to do that and not look like a lunatic. (4) I explained the pandain/bh thing day 1. Your reasoning was "pandain took stances therefore town" but his stances day 1 were easy stances for scum to take - attacking lurkers and pushing for a kush lynch. Plus his logic for those stances was lacking and didnt demonstrate a town mindset. Since day 1 he's stepped up his posting significantly and good on him, but as of the day one lynch there was very good reason for thinking he was scummier than bh and you are currently being blinded by the fact that you lucked into being right. I pretty firmly believe you were right on bh because of luck; your reasons for voting him were a policy lynch on his playstyle when there was no way of knowing that he wasn't one of many townies who tend to hurt town with their play styles. But that's not important anymore. What is important is that if you don't step the fuck off my back and start finding and pushing the actual scum, town could easily still lose this. Okay, i'll still answer: 1) Simply wrong. There were people who were trying to figure out stuff. Me, Koshi, debears, kush, Oats come to mind. 2) Because voting ofr kush and him flipping town would look awful. There were townies already on blubbers, a lot of townies assume kush is town. I dunno, maybe kush is scum, who the fuck knows. Suddenly he looks a lot worse for his push on debears D2. 3) Yeah you are authentic. Just like in Sicilian. No i don't really know your meta, but you have not done shit this game. 4) No, my reasoning was something else. You are wrong. 1. You weren't. You were sitting on the op lunch and telling us all why you didn't need to do anything else. 2. You're just tunneling now. Changing your read on kush to maintain your tunnel on me. 3. If you believe this you are an idiot. 4. No u There's no way I'm getting lynched anyway so I'm just gonna ignore you for a while. So tell me about zealos. I'm inclined to believe that the reason people were pushing hard for kush as an alternative lynch to bh rather than zealos is because zealos is also scum. I really don't agree with you that his post death stuff makes him seem town, and I intend to do my best to get zealos lynched tomorrow unless I see an extremely persuasive case on someone else.
1) This is a straight out lie. You are taking one post of mine (to Vayne) and descibe the whole phase by it. lol. Anyone who's been following D2 knows this is a lie.
2) .... idk what to say. kush's alignment has nothing to do with yours. You asked for a scenario, i gave you one, now you call me out for it?
3) Let's see what you have done this game. "rayn is scum, maybe not, maybe he is, maybe not. Zealos is scum, here is a meta-case, oh actually it's not that good, but Zealos is scum, lynch zealos, zealos is scum. Hmm i wonder if OP is survivor/scum/sk??" This is everything you have talked about in this game. me, Zealos, and BH (in a manner that does not help anyone. who the fuck cared if he was scum/survivor/sk after he claimed he will not be helping town). You have never tried to convince anyone to vote for Zealos. You do never interact with anyone in this game other than me. You do not have any other reads (besides one post where you say kush is prolly town). You don't talk about anything besides lynching Zealos, and you are not even trying to convince anyone into lynching him, nor are you trying to figure out more by asking questions from him. You just say "lynch Zealos, he is scum".
4) My reasoning was that Pandain's post had 5 reads with reasoning besides tha point "policy lynch kush and lurkers". BH's post had "policy lynch kush (without "knowing" his meta as he claimed) and lurkers" and "this happened then that happened". That was my fucking point and that's why i was keen in knowing how the fuck does Pandain look worse by his first post than BH. Of course nobody ever answered me (besides Koshi), as usual...
So, if you are town stop this bullshit already and start playing the game. Start interacting with people whose nickname is not raynpelikoneet and start telling people why Zealos is scum if you want him lynched. You know my stance on him, it should be clear.
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Im not actually a cop, mafia, dont shoot me.
Rayn, can you give us a summary of your top 3 scumreads? I dont really know them after n1.
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On September 17 2013 20:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not actually a cop, mafia, dont shoot me.
Rayn, can you give us a summary of your top 3 scumreads? I dont really know them after n1.
This might not be accurate, and i'll write a bigger post about this before PC, but yes:
Vayne - what i said on D2.
SnB/Zealos - i think one of them is scum and the other one is town. Both have done nothing besides called each other scum, SnB calls me scum and Zealos calls me town. Roleblock speaks in SnB's favor, unless there is town JK who decided to offensive jail and that's why scum KP didn't go through (i do not think this is likely, but it is a possibility).
Last one is hard. Maybe Pandain, maybe Sno, maybe debears (this read has weakened a lot).
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Talking about the vote switces, why would BH vote for Zealos and Pandain switch to blubbers if they were scum together? If there is one townie who switches back to OP (remember i was yelling that at the end of D1) it's ensured BH gets lynched.
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Actually i wanna discuss the SnB Roleblock.
After n1, I think he was not in anyone's townlist so why would scum roleblock him and give him towncred? Makes no sense to me. Nobody saw anything blue about him right? Thats why Im thinking its a town roleblock.
Also Scum wont send kp through SnB, so I doubt kp was blocked from that.
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On September 17 2013 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Talking about the vote switces, why would BH vote for Zealos and Pandain switch to blubbers if they were scum together? If there is one townie who switches back to OP (remember i was yelling that at the end of D1) it's ensured BH gets lynched.
I think everyone was confused. So I wouldnt say that this makes Pandain and BH not scum together.
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On September 17 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Talking about the vote switces, why would BH vote for Zealos and Pandain switch to blubbers if they were scum together? If there is one townie who switches back to OP (remember i was yelling that at the end of D1) it's ensured BH gets lynched. I think everyone was confused. So I wouldnt say that this makes Pandain and BH not scum together.
You can't really call scum confused can you? They have QT to discuss things and make plans. Townies yes, were likely confused.
I mean, if we assume Zealos is scum aswell. Would BH and scum take a risk of having 2 scum wagons opposed to one town wagon where if one townie swittches votes scum dies?
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Joshi bra I like the way you thinkin. We gots to talk about vaybe and Greek
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On September 17 2013 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually i wanna discuss the SnB Roleblock.
After n1, I think he was not in anyone's townlist so why would scum roleblock him and give him towncred? Makes no sense to me. Nobody saw anything blue about him right? Thats why Im thinking its a town roleblock.
Also Scum wont send kp through SnB, so I doubt kp was blocked from that.
In case SnB is town scum would probably assume he is blue from the way he played D1 and N1.
Because really, he has not engaged into any discussion other than me/Zealos.
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Why would scum not send KP through SnB?
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I actually like kushs case
What is happening with the world
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On September 17 2013 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would scum not send KP through SnB?
unless hes the towniest dude in the scum team, which I highly doubt. Do you think he was the towniest dude?
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On September 17 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 17 2013 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Talking about the vote switces, why would BH vote for Zealos and Pandain switch to blubbers if they were scum together? If there is one townie who switches back to OP (remember i was yelling that at the end of D1) it's ensured BH gets lynched. I think everyone was confused. So I wouldnt say that this makes Pandain and BH not scum together. You can't really call scum confused can you? They have QT to discuss things and make plans. Townies yes, were likely confused. I mean, if we assume Zealos is scum aswell. Would BH and scum take a risk of having 2 scum wagons opposed to one town wagon where if one townie swittches votes scum dies?
in a 5 minute span? No way effective communication happens.
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On September 17 2013 21:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually i wanna discuss the SnB Roleblock.
After n1, I think he was not in anyone's townlist so why would scum roleblock him and give him towncred? Makes no sense to me. Nobody saw anything blue about him right? Thats why Im thinking its a town roleblock.
Also Scum wont send kp through SnB, so I doubt kp was blocked from that.
In case SnB is town scum would probably assume he is blue from the way he played D1 and N1. Because really, he has not engaged into any discussion other than me/Zealos.
You are really trying to justify the scum roleblock on SnB. Why?
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I'm pretty sure I solved the game and I'm at the stage where I'm just fantasizing about my post game mvp award
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On September 17 2013 21:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 21:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2013 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually i wanna discuss the SnB Roleblock.
After n1, I think he was not in anyone's townlist so why would scum roleblock him and give him towncred? Makes no sense to me. Nobody saw anything blue about him right? Thats why Im thinking its a town roleblock.
Also Scum wont send kp through SnB, so I doubt kp was blocked from that.
In case SnB is town scum would probably assume he is blue from the way he played D1 and N1. Because really, he has not engaged into any discussion other than me/Zealos. You are really trying to justify the scum roleblock on SnB. Why?
I am not trying to justify anything. I am saying it's far more likely that in case SnB was really roleblocked it's scum roleblock. First of all town roleblocker is usually a jailkeeper. Jailers usually do not offensive jail, at least on N1. Scum roleblock possible blues, no matter how good or bad they look. SnB wasn't looking too bad for anyone except for me. He was not a top lynch candidate for D2, probably not for D3 either. It makes sense for scum to roleblock him in case he is town. That's what i am saying.
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@oats dude scum would not fake claim rb probably not. Do you really need me to explain why that would be a bad idea
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On September 17 2013 21:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 17 2013 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Talking about the vote switces, why would BH vote for Zealos and Pandain switch to blubbers if they were scum together? If there is one townie who switches back to OP (remember i was yelling that at the end of D1) it's ensured BH gets lynched. I think everyone was confused. So I wouldnt say that this makes Pandain and BH not scum together. You can't really call scum confused can you? They have QT to discuss things and make plans. Townies yes, were likely confused. I mean, if we assume Zealos is scum aswell. Would BH and scum take a risk of having 2 scum wagons opposed to one town wagon where if one townie swittches votes scum dies? in a 5 minute span? No way effective communication happens.
It's not a 5min span. The voteswitch on OP happened 5:12-5:14. Lynch was 7:00. That's nearly 2 hours for scum to figure out how to get out of that shit.
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On September 17 2013 21:03 kushm4sta wrote:
Joshi bra I like the way you thinkin. We gots to talk about vaybe and Greek
I think I am willing to push Grack down 1 row to the just green kids.
Zealos might be bumped to the null group
SnB might be downgraded to the simple reds.
VA & Pandain still best lynches.
Pandain can play a good day 3 to avoid getting lynched.
VA probably wont bother.
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Grack is not scum unless he wants to go into the history books as lamest scum ever. Adding fake timestamp on a fakeclaim is just mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
But ignoring the whole veteran claim I still think he is town.
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Grack believed Pandain D1, just like I believed in OP day 1. He changed his vote from OP but he wasn't pushing anybody else off OP iirc. SnB & Pandain were actively recruiting people to change votes. SnB was being obnoxious about it and Pandain just added some noise.
Pandain swapping to blubb last second is because:
1) Zealos is an easier misslynch to push later
2) Zealos is scum, BH wanted to save him after OP bussed him? But we can be certain now that OP didn't see the vote that happened 1 minute before him because he would have come out of his shelter. Which also means that there weren't 2 vote switchers scum. Tops 1. Otherwise they would have talked about it better in their QT.
So what you want to talk about Kushimushi?
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^ pandain wanted to save him after OP bussed him*
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