Desert Mini Mafia

On August 29 2013 18:42 marvellosity wrote:
He sounds like I often sound on day 1, especially at the beginning

anyway i'm not gonna defend the dude for him, but i'm not really interested in talking about him either

On August 29 2013 18:44 marvellosity wrote:
Back to marv calling yamato out for being bad who is simultaneously telling town they don't know how to play day 1 (you don't catch me doing this)

On August 29 2013 18:44 marvellosity wrote:


what the fuck is wrong with you?

On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote:
Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town).

Vote scribs guise

On August 29 2013 19:29 marvellosity wrote:


And yet you're voting Tutankhamen for making a spectacle of himself with the policy stuff?

HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE OATS?

On August 29 2013 20:47 marvellosity wrote:


I dunno. I don't like how he's gone about / explained some of this Tuten stuff, but it's way easy to fall into the trap of Oats of contradictory stuff being scummy, when he just does it all the time. Him being in the thread and consistently arguing over it is somewhat of a towntell I think.

TBD

On August 29 2013 20:51 marvellosity wrote:


I used to think this, but some game a while ago proved that wrong. Can't remember which though :/

Maybe you have a better metaread on him than I do, the way I usually try to tell is how involved he manages to stay. Pretty sure he can consistently push bad ideas as mafia too.

On August 29 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats can you make a case on me if you think i am scum? I would really like your thought process gathered together in a well-construced post.

On August 29 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote:
Do you really need me to tell you who's not really done anything so far, rayn?

On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget

Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?

rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.

Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe.

On August 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:


Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p

On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget

Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
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On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh

Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels

On August 30 2013 08:36 marvellosity wrote:
Maybe I'm not explaining it so well

1) in your original long post you say hapa would best be able to catch me and knows me best
2) hapa gives a tone/attitude read on me
3) you disagree with the read and decide you know better
4) therefore hapa is suspicious, despite 1)

all these things don't go together at all, really.

On August 30 2013 08:35 Hapahauli wrote:


That's basically half the reason you're suspicious of me no?

You know I've played a ton of games with marv. While I can articulate my methods of reading him in one way or another, the bottom-line is that a majority of me reading marv is completely on gut. There are just certain posts by him that I get strong town/scum vibes from, mostly because we have such a history together.

In this game, there's just something about the way he's responding to the pressure here that makes me feel he's town. So back to the "holier than thou" thing with scum-marv, he tends to put himself above all the arguments, and either use it as an OMGUS or completely dismiss them at hand.

In this game, he's getting emotionally caught up in them, which I consider a town-tell.

On August 30 2013 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
Not unless you plan on seriously pushing his lynch and garnering support for it, no. I don't really see the point

You really think his contributions don't look natural/sincere?

On August 30 2013 19:20 marvellosity wrote:
that's him being a retard with his role, which is a completely different matter.

When Oats is mafia I just see him digging at people constantly and not providing any interesting analysis.

As town he's consistently more active and perceptive

Like most of the last page of his filter is attacking you for PoE, and what?

On August 30 2013 17:22 Tutankoopa wrote:
Syl I think there are things more deserving of your attention than what you chose to post about. What are your thoughts regarding thread sentiment, and has anything stuck out at you from any of the major discussions?

On August 30 2013 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am far interested in Sylencia's last post than Onegu.

On August 30 2013 22:07 marvellosity wrote:


Do it please.

FT isn't a terrible lynch in that we're not losing anything by killing him and he might well be mafia, but it's terribly, terribly coinflippy.

On August 30 2013 22:18 marvellosity wrote:


Towntell to me, he told you you were bad, and rayn, and me. In his scumgame that I remember he stayed totally aloof, I can't see him taking up needling as mafia just for shits and giggles

On August 30 2013 22:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, how is hopeless 'hopeless'? He isnt normally pushing a lynch at all like the whole game.

On August 30 2013 22:32 marvellosity wrote:


by this argument nothing makes anyone mafia, dear.

On August 30 2013 22:07 marvellosity wrote:


Do it please.

FT isn't a terrible lynch in that we're not losing anything by killing him and he might well be mafia, but it's terribly, terribly coinflippy.

On August 30 2013 23:50 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

Heads or Tails?

On August 30 2013 23:50 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

Heads or Tails?

On August 31 2013 05:28 marvellosity wrote:
Hi, I'm back and sweaty, you lucky things.

Question one: why is Firm asking about sciberbia's meta with regards to posting 'formally' and what have you when it's been talked about at least twice in the thread already?

Secondly, remember when you talked, rayn, about how you just shout louder than the rest of people and get your lynch just by shouting? Well, hi there.

Couple of things I agreed with as I read them, can't remember who said them now - I think Onegu is looking better than I thought earlier in the cycle, his posting seems more sincere and pointed than his first, quite wishy washy post.

Also agree with... Hapa? on oats' 'half-heartedness'. Syl doesn't look great to me but he's posting too much for Syl to be a particularly good lynch today, I think I agree with yamato on that one.

Slammy has posted but nothing of substance, I still think he's a pretty good lynch. Gonna check me out some Oats stuffs. Here for talkies as well.

On August 31 2013 05:36 marvellosity wrote:
Like, actually look at his POSTING, hapa, not some terrible reason about hosts letting a demoralised townie replace out which never actually happens.

On August 31 2013 05:34 marvellosity wrote:
that's not even meta-gaming. do you have anything to support that hunch other than gut? Given 75% of replacements will be town anyway? Would a host even let a townie replace out for being 'demoralised'? I don't think so, do you?

On August 31 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote:
As in, his strong desire to lynch him, having previously agreed with his lynch target of Tuten.

On August 31 2013 06:06 Hapahauli wrote:


I guess I'm just annoyed that you're not an obvious spammy paranoid townie by this stage in the game =/

Probs not lynching you today regardless though.

On August 31 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:


Hapa, can you elaborate on this? Is what Syl did with Onegu really out of character? His lynch makes me squirmy right now.

On August 31 2013 07:02 marvellosity wrote:
There's been nowhere near enough suspicion on me for a normal game, it is kinda worrying. This feels more like home.

On August 31 2013 07:07 marvellosity wrote:


the only thing that matters right now is the lynch, not your silly powerplays.

On August 31 2013 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
not an actual image, an image in my head. Kinda eyes bulging, righteous fury, conspiracy boiling through your blood, tentacles coming from your hand, but flapping pointlessly against the screen.

On August 31 2013 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
Why are we not killing Firm??

Why is there so much resistance to his lynch? Like... he was totally absent and that was kinda ok, but then he came back and just shit around, and there's so much resistance. Why??

On September 01 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
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Anyways, i can't really disagree about how useful he's been, but do you really think he'd have gone balls out at BOTH of us like that?

On August 31 2013 06:10 Oatsmaster wrote:

under no pressure, doesnt post. comes in, pokes a bit which shows he has time, AND DOESNT DO SHIT.
Random vote on a dude that is currently at the top if im not mistaken with no explanation or anything. FT is not a lurker, FT is not posting anything helpful. Like he doesnt want to find scum, he just doesnt really care because a town lynch looks like its happening, TK/hopeless maybe.

On August 31 2013 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:

I agreed with the dudes arguments and now I think Tuten is town and therefore hopeless push is bad.
I think I summurized it earlier. Also he looks like he is trying, but the effort is all around Tuten which is pretty easy for scum to do IMO. I think town hopeless wouldve detunneled.

On September 01 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Oats was almost certainly in bed, dibbers.

On September 01 2013 08:31 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, i want to be super clear, you are 100% saying, no lie, you were shot?

On September 01 2013 08:33 marvellosity wrote:


answer the god-damn question?

On September 01 2013 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
I'm LALing any future games.

On September 02 2013 05:41 marvellosity wrote:


Mainly because mafia have to waste a shot to claim vet. See Persona obsQT for relevant discussion

On September 02 2013 05:58 marvellosity wrote:


dibbers, how often have you played with Oats?

Why is Slam townie to you?

On September 02 2013 23:44 marvellosity wrote:
Bleh, I was going to talk about Hapa and yamato, but it seems a little pointless. I just want to ask yamato



If he's mafia, why make a 'weaksauce' push on you? What exactly is he gaining? I don't understand the motivation. Relating to the last bold bit, presumably if you know you're townie you know your alignment, so him wanting to lynch someone not-you is surely better than wanting to lynch you?

On September 02 2013 12:46 Hapahauli wrote:


If had to choose between the two, probably yamato, since useless = scum for him as a meta-point.

However I'm not entirely convinced about either, and I'd probably lean towards lynching Slam at this point. We had a good case on hopeless, and his successor has literally done nothing up until this point.

On September 03 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:
yam, I've got nowhere near enough to lynch Hapa today.

And by that I mean I think Hapa is town. Or at least not mafia.

On September 03 2013 00:51 marvellosity wrote:
if he's mafia he's significantly upped his game imo.

On September 03 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:


And yet bad enough to miss his crumb that had an underline and a double e in the same sentence?

On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?