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Mostly because you are so sure. And when I tried to change your mind to a sn0 lynch you countered me hard, said sn0 was town and Yamato scum, and since I wasnt sure 100% on sn0 I went with the lynch that was going to happen, as I have said yamato has a chance to flip scum also Im just not convinced yet.
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On September 12 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 00:07 Onegu wrote:
Mostly because you are so sure. And when I tried to change your mind to a sn0 lynch you countered me hard, said sn0 was town and Yamato scum, and since I wasnt sure 100% on sn0 I went with the lynch that was going to happen, as I have said yamato has a chance to flip scum also Im just not convinced yet. Well now, (1) answer yamato's case on you please. Then (2) tell me why someone is scum in this game.
Ok
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Moment Im makeing ramen to eat then I will answer questions
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On September 11 2013 07:15 yamato77 wrote:
Just look at how he goes from thinking you are mafia to thinking I am mafia, and voting me.
Does he seem at all interested in reading my filter and giving a real read of me or is he simply following the thread sentiment that I am scum and trying to win today?
Really, his last post gives it away. "Yeah, I just want to be sure about this thing, so I'll go ahead and vote Yamato and try to get the day to end early."
Makes no sense.
First off it makes alot of sense, when I am not sure about sn0 100% and think you can flip mafia also, I bring up my points for sn0 being scum, rayn then counters them. I ask him questions he gives his strong reads. At that point rayn isnt switching, sn0 isnt voteing for himself and yamato has selfvoted and said he doesnt care, this gives him a good enough chance to flip scum that I am comfortable putting my vote on him and let the game end, at that point yamato wasnt doing anything. Second if it is going to be yamato giving up and rayn not moveing his vote why not move the deadline up.
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On September 11 2013 07:23 yamato77 wrote:
Notably, he also didn't vote for Sylencia before day 3. Now ask yourself, if Sylencia is going to fakeclaim and try to save Marv or whatever, wouldn't the last scum want to bus Sylencia or push another lynch? Why would one scum leave his vote on Marv basically the whole day while the other is moving to try to divert attention? It makes far more sense to also be diverting attention, especially when the attention is on a fakeclaim that is easy to WIFOM about endlessly.
Also, as I said before, his voting history is pathetic. D1 and D2 he placed his vote on the ultra lurkers and basically peaced. The only reason his vote changed D1 was because he was "waiting for FT to explain himself" or whatever, but it ended back there anyway. D2 he literally voted and then did almost nothing else.
Rayn thinks Onegu is town because of hiw he went after Syl D3, but does he ever consider that Sylencia's claim was meant to be so he could be bussed, to buy Marv time? It's easy to look like you think someone is scum when YOU KNOW they are scum.
First my votes have always went on my scim reads, I have given reads for those votes and reasons for those votes. Second I have called syl scum all game and my vote went on syl before his fake claim. I pushed a syl lynch before his fake claim and before there was a huge wagon on marv. I also said my read on marv wasnt that strong so I wanted people to vote for who I thought was confirmed scum at the time.
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On September 11 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
The whole reason I went through this process today was to see how the three of you would justify voting me under these circumstances. You and Rayn are obviously just subject to massive confirmation bias at this point, and that's actually pretty telling to me. The fact that you both have continued to find fictitious reasons why I'm mafia shows that you at least care about scumhunting to some extent, even if you are dead wrong about my alignment and my general play as town.
Onegu, on the other hand, is a different story. He's waffled about it and such, because he had a "scumread" on you, Sn0, so it look odd if he goes into MYLO and just votes me. But essentially, that's what he's done. He pointed out some apparent inconsistency in my posting (meaningless semantics) and echoed the stupid fucking sentiment that I've "given up on the game" (I clearly haven't), and then waffled some more.
Really, like I said, it's his final actions that give him away. If he "wants to be sure about this" why did he leave his vote on me and decide to shorten the day? The cognitive dissonance gives away his true intentions; he wanted to find a reason to vote for me and, by extension, win the game. He wasn't at all interested in actually looking at my filter and reading my true alignment, because not once did he come up with a single original thought about my play.
So yeah, you can thank me later, I solved the game.
##Unvote
##Vote Onegu
Again you did give up, I quoted you where you said you give up. You even selfvoted at the time.
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On September 12 2013 00:40 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote:
Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation.
##VOTE SYLENCIA you didn't vote syl until after his claim, so you get zero townie points for bussing your scummate
Ok you are correct it was after his claim. But you think I have been bussing him since day 1 then? My case on him almost got him lynched day one, if it wasnt for marv and sn0 changeing the wagon when he was set to be lynched we wouldnt be haveing this conversation. Also syl voted me day 1 so you think we were hard bussing each other since day 1?
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On September 12 2013 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote:
Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation.
##VOTE SYLENCIA Your vote did not go on Sylencia before his fakeclaim. Why are you lying?
I was going off of memory. Not lying just trying to remember correctly.
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On September 12 2013 00:42 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 00:40 Onegu wrote:On September 11 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
The whole reason I went through this process today was to see how the three of you would justify voting me under these circumstances. You and Rayn are obviously just subject to massive confirmation bias at this point, and that's actually pretty telling to me. The fact that you both have continued to find fictitious reasons why I'm mafia shows that you at least care about scumhunting to some extent, even if you are dead wrong about my alignment and my general play as town.
Onegu, on the other hand, is a different story. He's waffled about it and such, because he had a "scumread" on you, Sn0, so it look odd if he goes into MYLO and just votes me. But essentially, that's what he's done. He pointed out some apparent inconsistency in my posting (meaningless semantics) and echoed the stupid fucking sentiment that I've "given up on the game" (I clearly haven't), and then waffled some more.
Really, like I said, it's his final actions that give him away. If he "wants to be sure about this" why did he leave his vote on me and decide to shorten the day? The cognitive dissonance gives away his true intentions; he wanted to find a reason to vote for me and, by extension, win the game. He wasn't at all interested in actually looking at my filter and reading my true alignment, because not once did he come up with a single original thought about my play.
So yeah, you can thank me later, I solved the game.
##Unvote
##Vote Onegu Again you did give up, I quoted you where you said you give up. You even selfvoted at the time. it was a ploy to see who would FEEL THE NEED to continue to justify voting for someone who (on the surface) didn't care about dying. Rayn and Sn0 did that, you just left your vote and peaced.
Again I tried to make a sn0 lynch happen, when it was obvious that wasnt happening and it had appeared you had given up so I voted you and voted ok for a faster day and went to bed. I live in Thailand I cant be around for the deadline.
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On September 12 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you vote for Sylencia on D1?
No, I made the case, then FT came back parked his vote without reason when I had just said if he came back and wouldnt get modkilled my vote would go back on him.
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On September 12 2013 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 00:52 Onegu wrote:On September 12 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you vote for Sylencia on D1? No, I made the case, then FT came back parked his vote without reason when I had just said if he came back and wouldnt get modkilled my vote would go back on him. afaik debears made the case on Sylencia that got sheeped, not you. These are your posts during the time: Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 01:36 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect. Meh I understand, I really need to turn my town play around :/. That being said a few quick things before I go in depth. FT still hasnt came back and is a good lynch canidate. If not him alakaslam should die, its dumb to not lynch him because he replaced in 9~ hours from deadline. The person he replaced was scummy simple as that. Still havent caught up on the whole syl thing, and while I understand his reasoning I find it odd he hasnt pointed posts out as scummy, he just says im overall scummy. Debears pointed things out and put together a case that made me feel much better about him. Ok doing some deeper reading now. Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:34 Onegu wrote:On August 30 2013 17:16 Sylencia wrote:Alright, here's my current views: FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT. Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart: On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.
I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself. His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter). More soonish Says he is ok with a FT lynch here. On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts. On August 30 2013 22:48 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.
give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2? Again says he is ok with a FT lynch On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect. Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches. Your vote is on FT. Your vote stays on FT. After that you unvote FT. Then you say "i need to think about this" and the next post you vote FT again. How is that your case?
It my case because he attacked me for no reason except the same thing he did. His vote on me was terrible and I called him out for it. Then he was almost lynched it it wasnt for marv and sn0. When I unvoted I was looking at him and slam again to decide where my vote goes, then FT came back. Then I call out syl night 1 day 2 night 2 and day 3 I tunneled him.
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On September 12 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 01:03 Onegu wrote:On September 12 2013 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 12 2013 00:52 Onegu wrote:On September 12 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did you vote for Sylencia on D1? No, I made the case, then FT came back parked his vote without reason when I had just said if he came back and wouldnt get modkilled my vote would go back on him. afaik debears made the case on Sylencia that got sheeped, not you. These are your posts during the time: On August 31 2013 01:36 Onegu wrote:On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect. Meh I understand, I really need to turn my town play around :/. That being said a few quick things before I go in depth. FT still hasnt came back and is a good lynch canidate. If not him alakaslam should die, its dumb to not lynch him because he replaced in 9~ hours from deadline. The person he replaced was scummy simple as that. Still havent caught up on the whole syl thing, and while I understand his reasoning I find it odd he hasnt pointed posts out as scummy, he just says im overall scummy. Debears pointed things out and put together a case that made me feel much better about him. Ok doing some deeper reading now. On August 31 2013 03:34 Onegu wrote:On August 30 2013 17:16 Sylencia wrote:Alright, here's my current views: FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT. Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart: On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke.
I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself. His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter). More soonish Says he is ok with a FT lynch here. On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing Gives reasons for voteing me here without point out any posts. On August 30 2013 22:48 Sylencia wrote:On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote:
I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep.
give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2? Again says he is ok with a FT lynch On August 31 2013 00:36 Sylencia wrote:
Need to sleep, ##Vote Onegu
I mentioned it before
- No real reads since the case on debears dropped
- Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case
- His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it.
I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect. Now look at the second line of why I am scummy. And I gave reasons for him being a good lynch, ie lurking, his scum meta for calling out rayne. Scy looks like he is just comeimg after me as a easy lynch target without any solid reasons other than sheeping what other people have points out about me. I would be ok with a scy lynch, but for the time being FT needs to die, and alakaslam has done nothing to change my read off of hopeless. I am ok with any of these three lynches. Your vote is on FT. Your vote stays on FT. After that you unvote FT. Then you say "i need to think about this" and the next post you vote FT again. How is that your case? It my case because he attacked me for no reason except the same thing he did. His vote on me was terrible and I called him out for it. Then he was almost lynched it it wasnt for marv and sn0. When I unvoted I was looking at him and slam again to decide where my vote goes, then FT came back. Then I call out syl night 1 day 2 night 2 and day 3 I tunneled him. Why did you never vote for Sylencia until i called out his fakeclaim if you were sure he was scum?
I had just came into the thread, made one post for the day then voted syl.
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Ok it was early day 2. Im trying to go off of memory here. I never once dropped my scum read on him. Night 1 I was busy defending my FT vote.
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##unvote
##Vote Sn0
Rayne isnt scum, Im not sure about Yam, sn0 I have built my case on and think he has the best chance to flip.
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On September 12 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only reason he thinks he is town is because of his stance on Sylencia. Everything he says about his stance on Sylencia is false.
I never said that is the only reason I am town, and its not false. I have been on syl the entire game. Some of my times are wrong but I have given reasons why he is scum since day 1.
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I have taken pain meds. Rayn your town I trust your vote. Yam on me, me on sn0, sn0 on Yam. look close rayn. Sn0 never answered my question why his read on syl changed so fast to save him day 1. Look at his scum reads and how he votes closely rayn.
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Im back, but will sleep soon. Idk wtf has happend though. Rayn you claim to have a red check on sn0 but your votes went, yam, me and then sn0? What do you want me to say though, I think sn0 is mafia, more likely than yamato imo. But Im not sure why Yamato got off of me so easy and then sheeped you onto sn0 so fast.
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##VOTE Sn0
That should give yamato the votes first. Then if you figure out sn0 is scum afterall while I am sleeping you can move and he will die
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Im thinking if hosts dont confirm soon I will vote for a no lynch with yamato still on sn0 rayn still has the decideing vote.
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