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On August 30 2013 12:56 debears wrote:
@Hapa
Based on your posts, I got these reads from you
yam - town
marv -town
scribs - town
raynp - town
onegu - slight town?
me - null?
tutan - ?
syl - ?
hopeless- scum
that right?
Correct except for the following:
Onegu - closer to null. Gut town read, but that really doesn't mean much.
Debears - slight town
Tutan - slight town
Syl - Null
So uhhh... yeah... too many slight town reads. But I'm not too fearful of that at this stage, since I generally filter the weaker town-reads out over time.
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Oats is definetly more under the radar than I'm used to seeing from his town game.
I don't know whether that's because of sleep schedules or something more malicious. That being said, I'd expect to have a clearer picture of his allignment after his posting tonight.
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On August 30 2013 14:35 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hapa is there anything you want to talk about? I'll be on until meds wear out.
I really want to see a more complete picture of your reads. Rayn does have a point when he says your body of analysis is lacking so far.
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Are you all caught up Onegu? What do you make of the recent cases on Syl and Hopeless?
What do you make of the interaction between myself/marv/yamato a couple of pages before?
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On August 30 2013 15:08 sciberbia wrote:
@hapa
Can you explain how the events of a couple of pages ago made you think that yamato is town?
Like I see how his egotism and brashness are townie traits, but I don't feel extremely comfortable about everyone giving a steadfast townread to a guy that didn't do anything for 24 hours, then made two imo questionable scum reads, and then in the matter of an hour was talked out of those scum reads and into town reads by the subjects of his reads themselves, for no particularly great reason that I can discern from his filter. So all in all I don't see anything in his filter that makes me think he is town except his odd egotism and brashness, which I am not totally convinced he could not imitate as scum.
How confident are you he wouldn't pull a stunt like that as scum? It seems you/marv have a ton of prior experience with yamato which I do not share.
To be clear I'm leaning town on yamato myself but I'd just like to feel better about this read if possible and see where hapa is coming from on this one. Nothing else really to talk about at the moment.
I think the most compelling justification is to compare his game here to his TWO recent scum-games in Game of Thrones and Sicilian Mafia. Those two games are downright calm and passive compared to his recent outburst here. As scum, he has an incredibly hard time contributing. While he can be antagonizing and provocative at times, he often has next to no scum-hunting contributions and doesn't pick fights with town-leaders (or fights he knows he can't win). In this game, he's done quite the exact opposite so far.
Is it possible he's improved and faked this outburst? I think it's possible, but not very likely. And if I'm wrong, his scum mentality will manifest itself pretty clearly in the next few days. If he's not useful to town by the end of D2, dispatch of him. Though given his recent behavior, his outburst is characteristic of some of his other town-games. Him tunneling me as town in this exact manner is also almost identical to our 3 last town-games together >>
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Oh, and as far as the "likelihood" of him pulling this off as scum... I'd say pretty low. If it was an outburst against some random lurker or emotional townie, maybe I'd be more skeptical. Immediately butting heads with myself, marv, and you would require balls of steel from a scum.
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On August 31 2013 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapahauli please get in here as soon as possible! I need to talk to you about something!
Back, awake, and catching up.
Whats up?
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On August 30 2013 23:34 debears wrote:
@Hapa
Can you remind me after lynch of something I need to talk to you about? A certain person is doing something off of his normal town game (at least I think he is). I don't think I would be able to get him lynched at this point.
You don't need my approval to say something. Say it.
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##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum.
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Also, these last 10 pages or so really make me want to kill Oats.
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On August 31 2013 03:24 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 09:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 29 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 29 2013 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 29 2013 09:06 Tutankoopa wrote:On August 29 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont think scum could be as stupid as rayn 1 in this regard. Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep 2 onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats. 1. Can you clarify what you found to be stupid about rayn's play? 2. When you saw my vote, did you think I was seriously going to push for rayn's lynch on D1? Also, you say rayn's play is stupid yet you also claim to not understand the policy lynch. Explain? 1) Scum are more than capable of making Sn0's OP, which in and of itself is a stupid reason for rayn to come up with a town read. However, the part that I felt to be most stupid is that if Rayn is scum, he's revealed himself in all of 2 posts. 2) It doesn't matter what you were planning to do, I see your actions as scummy and I've voted accordingly. Your initial vote was not entirely damning. Dropping things off here + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2013 08:49 Tutankoopa wrote:
actually nvm rayn
##unvote just when you seemed to have gotten rolling does not strike me as town motivated. "Also") Was stupid the policy? Iuno... I actually would like you to explain me why would scum make a post Sn0 did? Think for a moment you are scum, would you do that? Think for a moment you would. Why would you do that? Demonstrates I'm "actively reading", albeit it's flavor text. Also a moderate amount of paranoia to look like I'm scared of all the things. Furthermore, errant setup speculation is definitely something mafia wants to do to look like they're contributing. As an OP, its a null post. If he were to make that type of post tomorrow, I'd call him scum on the spot. Hmmm something I just thought of. Why would hopeless as town target only TK for setup speculation? Why not also scribs who did similar twice? Kinda odd to pick out only one blemished apple in a bunch when there is a second
There's very little point in questioning someone who's not going to be here. At this point, I'm waiting for Alakaslam to give his thoughts on who should be lynched.
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@ Oats
Before your long 24-hour-ish absence in the thread, you were suspicious of a list of people, including TK, marv, and others.
Now all of a sudden when you get back to the thread...
On August 30 2013 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
IM BACK GUYS.
im seriously really busy like I said pregame.
Hopeless looks like scum and rayn looks like he cant let go of a bad point.
##unvote
##vote: Hopeless
Would you lynch debears? I really didnt like his case on Scib.
... you sheep all possible thread sentiment. Not only have you neatly fallen onto the Hopeless bandwagon, but you all of a sudden find TK town.
Furthermore, I have no idea why you'd be exploring the idea of lynching debears if you were as convinced as you are about thinking Hopeless is scum.
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Why does FT need to die Onegu? Yes he's a lurker, but at this rate, he's going to get replaced/modkilled if he keeps not-posting.
With what's in his filter, he is quite literally a coin-flip lynch.
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On August 31 2013 03:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote
Lynching replacements isn't good the day they get replaced. We shouldn't be lynching Alakaslam today unless he does something very egregiously scummy.
For people voting FT... that's even worse. A coin-flip lynch is going to lead to zero discussion and waste the entirety of Day 1.
Let's find another candidate. Day 1's are made or broken in the last few hours anyway, so let's see who steps up and hunts some scum. It shouldnt matter he is a replacement, sorry you replaced someone who is scummy tough luck. And why does a FT lynch waste the day? It gets rid of someone who has a good chance at being scum, and its not like everything was wasted the discusion that was made today is still valid.
I hate to bring up meta-gaming reasons, but usually when someone replaces in a "hopeless" situation (pun intended) such as this, they're usually demoralized town.
And how is there a good chance that FT is scum? All we know is that he's afk and is going to get modkilled/replaced.
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On August 31 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 03:09 Hapahauli wrote:On August 31 2013 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapahauli please get in here as soon as possible! I need to talk to you about something! Back, awake, and catching up. Whats up? Look at my last post about Tutankhamon, compare that with what marv did after. What can you see? I think Tutandude is totally scum. I am bad at explaining but that's fucking damning. marv soft-defending him from start of the game is weird. He always fucks off when i post something good about my scumread on tut. Also i do not think hopeless/alkaslam is mafia. The wagon is fishy. Lynch tutandude.
I don't like it man. I don't think your case is damning, nor do I think TK should be lynched today.
It seems like you're nitpicking his filter and blowing things completely out of proportion. You seem dissatisfied by all his responses because of your confirmation-bias towards him, as well as his displayed frustration in dealing with your tunnel the entirety of D1.
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@ Sciberia, Marv, Yamato
If you're all around, talk to me about Oats. What vibes are you getting from him this game?
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On August 31 2013 03:58 sciberbia wrote:
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Sylencia
Sylencia would be a meh lynch. I wouldn't feel great about it but he's definitely on the scummy side of null for me. The most interesting thing I noticed while perusing his filter is that he chose to give an analysis on TK as well as give some thoughts on debears and FirmTofu, dropped his vote on Onegu and went to bed, without ever giving a read or any of his own thoughts on the hopeless wagon, which up until recently looked very strong. If i was going to lynch him for one reason, it would probably be that.
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Ummm... that doesn't sound "meh" to me.
Completely avoiding commenting on the main wagon to go and fuck-off on a lynch-bait player with little chance of getting lynched is absurdly scummy.
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Man I gotta look at Syl again o.O
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On August 31 2013 04:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
I was thinking that debears was scum because I really didnt like his case on Scib but its ok now, he has allayed my suspicions.
The rest of the stuff, there were like 15 or so posts. changed my mind man.
I have not seen any fucking reasoning at all why im scum. Hapa are you scum?
Read. Reply.
On August 31 2013 03:33 Hapahauli wrote:@ OatsBefore your long 24-hour-ish absence in the thread, you were suspicious of a list of people, including TK, marv, and others. Now all of a sudden when you get back to the thread... Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
IM BACK GUYS.
im seriously really busy like I said pregame.
Hopeless looks like scum and rayn looks like he cant let go of a bad point.
##unvote
##vote: Hopeless
Would you lynch debears? I really didnt like his case on Scib. ... you sheep all possible thread sentiment. Not only have you neatly fallen onto the Hopeless bandwagon, but you all of a sudden find TK town. Furthermore, I have no idea why you'd be exploring the idea of lynching debears if you were as convinced as you are about thinking Hopeless is scum.
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On August 31 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. Fuck you Hapa and marv if you are town this game.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Sylencia
Since apparently noone wants to lynch a guy who is most likely to be scum, i go to my secondary target.
Rayn... how often have your Day 1 tunnels been correct in the past?
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