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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
In NWM i fakeclaimed on N1 having silentnuked the obvioustown Meapak_Zipph as town. Then people accused me being scum and the question arouse: "Why would raynpelikoneet claim that as scum". Of course there would be a scum!motive for me doing so. That's not relevant, the relevant thing is what other people think the motive for scum!rayn is. Ace gave an answer for my motive as mafia that was so fucking hilarious it is now my signature. I instantly knew he was mafia based purely on that. Nobody in the whole town understood that, ever, in that game. ---- Same thing here. Why are people not giving clear answers that cannot be misunderstood if they are town? If someone is looking into wrong places you need to shut that down immediately. Tutankoopa is not doing that in my opinion, he is not being clear with his thought process when i question him about that and that's why i want to lynch him. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On August 30 2013 20:55 marvellosity wrote: rayn, this looks like a pretty bad case of blowing something small out of all proportion. Unfortunately that's just Rayn's modus operandi I think he's town tho, despite his ridiculous tunnel. His read of Oats is flat out wrong, however. Looks like we can agree on something. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tutankoopa: - I can't see any direction in his play - When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times. - He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I did not understand anything he said and how that was relevant to my question. Am i just being stupid and not able to understand what people say? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote: Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing The difference is that's what Onegu always does as town and does not do as scum. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone look at what i asked Tutan about his question to Hopeless? I did not understand anything he said and how that was relevant to my question. Am i just being stupid and not able to understand what people say? That is usually the problem | ||
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Tutankoopa
United States145 Posts
Ok... so I said I had read the filter, but I did not specifically say that I had read the entire thread. That still doesn't justify you claiming that I'm scum for not reading, when that is something I never said or implied. Although it's not directly stated I think it's reasonable for someone to make the assumption that I was fully caught up at that moment. The frustrating part about this is that I don't see your point in a world where I'm wrong. Lets say I hadn't read the thread before starting the post. Where is the scum motivation for that? Most importantly, why would that scum motivation be more likely than believing that I changed my mind about Oats mid-post? If you feel like I wasn't cooperative earlier, it's because I was dealing with this guy (you) who I was town-reading, and he's delving into a pointless line of inquiry about something that didn't even happen. TLDR, FINAL ANSWER: Yes, I had read the thread before that post. I don't see why you were assuming that I hadn't read the thread. Evidence slightly pointed otherwise. I don't see why not reading would be scummy anyhow. Miscommunication is a real, observable phenomenon. Maybe we are both at fault? You lead off the entire line of inquiry by asking if I had read the filter. The question about a thread-read seemed tacked-on, like a restatement of the first question. In that particular circumstance "reading the whole thread" and "reading O's filter" aren't objectively different and don't merit two individual answers. You seemed to think that I was making reads on him without reading his filter, so I stated otherwise. Apparently you were mainly concerned if I had read the thread, but that's not a logical assumption for me to make given that we were talking about Oats and you led off with the question about his filter. Either you failed at writing a coherent series of questions, or I failed at figuring out what information you wanted from me and I'm not keen on starting a flame war over our respective reading comprehension skills. I'd say this whole thing comes down to you thinking I was ignoring your questions, and me thinking I had given you an adequate response. And with that..... I'm done talking about this. Not because I don't want to, but because there's not anything else that can be said. | ||
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Tutankoopa
United States145 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone look at what i asked Tutan about his question to Hopeless? I did not understand anything he said and how that was relevant to my question. Am i just being stupid and not able to understand what people say? I'll talk about it if you want but I need a smoke break first. I'd rather have someone else do it because I think I was asking valid questions and I want to see if anyone else agrees before we start deconstructing them. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Hopeless I still have yet to read, but honestly FT is not a terrible lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 30 2013 22:04 yamato77 wrote: I'm not thrilled with a Syl lynch. I've never seen him post his much, ever. Something tells me he wouldn't pick his scum game to start tryharding. Hopeless I still have yet to read, but honestly FT is not a terrible lynch. Do it please. FT isn't a terrible lynch in that we're not losing anything by killing him and he might well be mafia, but it's terribly, terribly coinflippy. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Yes, I had read the thread before that post. I don't see why you were assuming that I hadn't read the thread. Evidence slightly pointed otherwise. I don't see why not reading would be scummy anyhow. Miscommunication is a real, observable phenomenon. When i asked you "did you or did you not" i expected you to answer "yes", as you did. However, the same set of questions contained a question "why did you begin to write a post before reading the thread". You did not answer that. I asked you again "why..", in which you answered "yes, i did" over and over again. The Hopeless thing was this. I asked you: How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense. Your answer is this: 1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game. 2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards. Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn. I tried to read your answer over and over again and i can't see how does this have anything to do with what i asked. I did not ask if Hopeless is making sense or not, i did not ask if Hopeless should have a town/scum read on me. I asked why you think his thought process doesn't make sense based on what he said, because given what Hopeless posted it makes perfect sense to me. | ||
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Tutankoopa
United States145 Posts
uh... same goes for you...  | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
im seriously really busy like I said pregame. Hopeless looks like scum and rayn looks like he cant let go of a bad point. ##unvote ##vote: Hopeless Would you lynch debears? I really didnt like his case on Scib. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On August 30 2013 22:07 marvellosity wrote: Do it please. FT isn't a terrible lynch in that we're not losing anything by killing him and he might well be mafia, but it's terribly, terribly coinflippy. blegh Most of his filter is arguing about his read on TK which is based on TK's vote and unvote at the start of the game. Is he scum trying to fabricate a read out of something that I find completely meaningless or just a horribly misguided townie? There's a few places in his filter where I go "well that seems reasonable" so it's not like he jumped off the edge of the cliff. If we weren't nearing the end of this day I'd be content to sit on him as a lynch candidate and see what he does, but is he the best we can find? I'm going to reread Scib. Last time I remember, he +1'd some dumb thing you said in the middle of our argument. He's also been trying to tell me that I'm an asshole the whole game, and I don't like that. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: The difference is that's what Onegu always does as town and does not do as scum. Meta sucks, concentrate on the game at hand. If it's worse, and you think Tutan is scum, Onegu should be way higher on the list. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 30 2013 22:16 yamato77 wrote: blegh Most of his filter is arguing about his read on TK which is based on TK's vote and unvote at the start of the game. Is he scum trying to fabricate a read out of something that I find completely meaningless or just a horribly misguided townie? There's a few places in his filter where I go "well that seems reasonable" so it's not like he jumped off the edge of the cliff. If we weren't nearing the end of this day I'd be content to sit on him as a lynch candidate and see what he does, but is he the best we can find? I'm going to reread Scib. Last time I remember, he +1'd some dumb thing you said in the middle of our argument. He's also been trying to tell me that I'm an asshole the whole game, and I don't like that. Towntell to me, he told you you were bad, and rayn, and me. In his scumgame that I remember he stayed totally aloof, I can't see him taking up needling as mafia just for shits and giggles | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
It seems blatantly obvious Tutan is trying to be rational and engage with you, and you're just nitpicking. stop. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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