Persona 4 Mini Mafia

On August 19 2013 05:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright how about this:
/in

But don't expect anywhere near my usual level of activity. Period.
If you guys would rather wait until 2 others join let me know and ill /out.

Hopefully this will start by tomorrow and it won't be as much of an issue...
Go recruit!

On August 20 2013 01:51 kushm4sta wrote:


fucking tourists

On August 20 2013 02:12 kushm4sta wrote:


sry my bad!
i thought you were from massachusetts or some shit and your family vacationed there

On August 21 2013 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait vayne is making sense in his posts. Does that mean he is scum? :D

On August 21 2013 10:24 FirmTofu wrote:

He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch.

On August 21 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:

Tell that to Rayn and all the people agreeing that me mentioning not talking makes me scum. (of which there don't appear to be too many anymore, despite what bullshit Rayn may spew)

Vayne every time I judge you by your actions I get pissed because most of the time you don't do shit. Which makes you look scummy. And then most of the time you're not.

Hence the lynchbait.

On August 22 2013 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I feel the same way about how this game is going. The problem is i am the only one making a case, everyone else just agrees or disagrees with me, or do not even read. Why is noone putting up another suspect? I do not feel like making more than one case at the time.

On August 22 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you think snoman is town?

On August 22 2013 01:59 kushm4sta wrote:


what do you mean? why woulnd't that scumteam kill him?
I think any scumteam would have killed him regardless of his reads. I think he was by far the best town in the game.

On August 22 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why do you think this Vayne?
Also speaking of alignment comparisons, reading Sn0 got me thinking about Rayn and Koshi.
I sincerely doubt that they are both scum considering Koshi has been basically playing the part of Rayn's lickspittle all game.
I really want to see what Sn0 has to say when he comes back.

On August 22 2013 06:07 mkfuba07 wrote:
Yeah, I understood. It's just that if he's a really good town player (he plays well as town), then it makes sense to phrase it the way kush did. It could be interpreted as kush knowing that DP is the strongest of the town players, and slipped up, but at that point it's a coin flip in interpretations for me.

On August 22 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

Is this your promised 'D2 town reveal?'

About fooba dooba: I agree that his activity and posting resembles that of Basterd, but I wouldn't call his play aggressive in the slightest. What has been aggressive about it?

On August 22 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote:

I'm leaning toward lynching Vayne. I've been waiting for him to become more involved in the thread but it just hasn't happened. His sideline commentary is easy to do as scum. He's also overly preoccupied with thinking that you are 3P. I have yet to see him become engaged with the thread and attempt to push any sort of scumread, quite unlike most of the people who have been considered today as lynch candidates.

On July 16 2013 16:27 yamato77 wrote:

Instead of attempting to interact with anyone, VE is content passing judgment from the sidelines about the interaction between DH and VA. This sort of voting in line with the sway of the thread (as both FT and VA were suspicious of DH) is a trait that I've seen mafia VE pull in games past. It's also worth noting that VE voting for DH for "throwing shit" at VA when VE has no opinion of VA is quite a ridiculous idea. This sort of bullshit reasoning is something that cannot be tolerated, and smells of mafia drumming up a reason to slap a vote on a player already under fire.

On August 23 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote:
VA I am actually considering going back to WoS. I was just typing something up. How are you on WoS?

On August 23 2013 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
My favourite part was how Vayne's tactic this game is to instantly attack and vote for anybody who so much as mentions him in a negative manner.

On August 23 2013 02:43 Sn0_Man wrote:

How is it remotely acceptable or town motivated to say "I'm untouchable anybody who attacks me is scum"? Thats easily a scum-favoured atmosphere to create. There was no ad-hominem, I'm commenting on the terribleness of your play.
Scum-hunting, in fact. Something you MAY wish to attempt (you haven't started yet I notice). K maybe now there is ad-hom.

On August 23 2013 02:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat? So your plan is "Nobody suspects me. Therefore I'm untouchable. As soon as somebody suspects me, they are scum since they were the first!".

In other words, nobody is ever allowed to suspect you. This is incredibly pointless. You still have yet to meaningfully contribute, all you have done is sit around, call WoS 3rd party (carefully avoiding angering anybody who thinks he is scum OR town) and then instantly attacking both yamato and now me as soon as we mention your name. Literally the only people you have attacked are people who just mentioned you...

You have steadfastly NOT contributed to the game.

On August 23 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne, why do you think WoS is exactly 3p. I mean, i know why you think so, but is it impossible for him to be mafia? Why?

On August 23 2013 02:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean, its fine to get mad at people who actively try to deflect lynches off of whoever you think is scum. Especially if you have done anything that might make people think you are town. And if you have campaigned for the lynch of somebody you believe is scum. However, you don't have a scum candidate to lynch. And you haven't helped weed out any scum. And you haven't campaigned at all (okay admittedly I haven't really either).

However, I'm not deflecting the lynch off of anybody (Unless you can point to somebody who you think is getting lynched with 2 votes on them), and you haven't even made a case on me. You solely voted for me because I called you out. And you freely admit that. W. T. F.

On August 23 2013 01:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
I wish Vayne/Tofu/Yamato would post more. All 3 are hypothetically solid mafia players as far as I know and they are at 2 page filters with little/no contribution. I'd be inclined to vote some pressure on to one of them if there was much to decide between the 3...

Also Vayne's last post was painful:

Its like a pre-emptive OMGUS. Anybody who calls attention to him is automatically acting in scum's interests or something.

PS Kush why the 180 on tofu? I didn't really get your reasoning...

On August 23 2013 02:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
NVM I lied yamato is doing stuff and I agree with practically everything he is saying o.O

I'm happy with a Vayne/FT lynch though current preference is FT.

Also still want to lynch Koshi but nobody else really does. Also I want to lynch rayn but I think that's because he is annoying. hard to tell.

On August 23 2013 02:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
My favourite part was how Vayne's tactic this game is to instantly attack and vote for anybody who so much as mentions him in a negative manner.

On August 23 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I disagree with your meta-read. In Les Mis WoS was evenly cocky as in this game. That's something he lacks as town, especially early on in the game. There are also some charactreristics that repeats when he is scum but never when he is town. When (argueably) the strongest player posts the first time he goes "Hey X, thoughts on...?". One thing that always happens when he is town but never when he is scum is "Policy lynch vayne".

On August 23 2013 09:13 yamato77 wrote:

So because one line is somewhat similar, it's the same case? Not even close. You've been scummy because you're doing fuck-all. I created a case on VE through false-meta pretenses. The two are literally incomparable.

Your follow-up to this is to vote Sn0 in line with thread sentiment, lolol. And you want me to believe that you're honestly scumhunting.

On August 23 2013 09:19 yamato77 wrote:

Literally meaningless. Everyone and their mom had Sn0 as scum. Being the hipster vote does not make it any less in line with thread sentiment.

And no, I used zero meta in my read on you. You yourself said it was useless. You're CLASSICALLY scum, in that you are not being proactive about anything and have literally flown under everyone's scumdars the whole game except MINE.

On August 23 2013 09:26 yamato77 wrote:

The old "I do this as town AND scum" defense. Too good.

On August 23 2013 09:28 yamato77 wrote:
Anyway, there's really nothing you can say to deter me.

I'll be waiting for others to sheep me as you cry in the corner.

On August 23 2013 09:44 yamato77 wrote:

I've been far more proactive in the thread than you have. I haven't played since yesterday, so what? I'm here now, and you still have yet to do anything to discount the feeling I have that you are mafia.

On August 23 2013 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

I can---the exact reason I said. He needed a final reason to look 'tipped over the edge' so he could vote me and fuck off.
He had no intention of ever having his vote off of me for very long and wanted to find a reason to put it back despite the fact that he's been calling me scum since the beginning of the game, never wavered and yet for some reason wanted to vote Sn0 for a while.

On August 23 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry for triplepost.
I don't want to waste my time pushing Rayn right now if no one will even consider him scum right now. It's much more important in my eyes to find scum that we can get some sort of majority (or at least large number) on.

Also Vayne, OMGUSvoting yamato is terrible play. Stop that. Do you actually think he's scum?

On August 23 2013 10:34 WaveofShadow wrote:

Who have I picked and chosen to call scum for doing nothing, Vayne?

On August 23 2013 10:35 WaveofShadow wrote:

I do, but unless you think he's scum and show us how, what does throwing your own vote back at him do?

On August 23 2013 08:45 WaveofShadow wrote:

I disagree but meh.
I have scumteam right now as Rayn/Crazy/and 1-2 of Rainbows/Oats/yamato/Vayne/geript. Hmm...maybe fuba as well but I'd have to re-read. This game IS closer to Basterd for him than Roulette. Fuba I hope we're not on separate teams because then I'll be sad we don't go 3/3! You don't want to make me sad do you?

In other news I really want to consolidate tonight before I have to go to bed tonight. I hate not being around for deadline.

On August 23 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm not. That doesn't mean you're scum. That means you're null and I could maybe see you as the unknown last member of a scumteam along with like 5 other people. U mad I don't have you as super shiny townread or something?

On August 23 2013 10:50 WaveofShadow wrote:

When yamato started in on you I was about to comment that I wouldn't mind a Vayne lynch solely because I know it would piss you off like crazy.


Alright Vayne honestly. Who are we voting for today? Do you think we shouldn't get rid of Crazometer?

On August 24 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
gg guys.
sorry

On August 24 2013 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Its hard to read you as town when you did literally no scumhunting D1, threw away your vote on somebody who obviously wasn't getting lynched AND never even tried to convince others to lynch him, made no case on him beyond "well you voted me and I warned you I'll vote you back" and are now calling him "insanely scummy" still without further justification. And are implying that you have done your job and that it certainly couldn't be even a fraction your fault that we just lynched a powerful blue role.

I'd love to hear some reasons why yamato is scummy. Preferably compare/contrast them to A) a confirmed red check and B) Actively driving a mislynch for ~70 hours.

On August 24 2013 02:34 Sn0_Man wrote:


Yamato contributed more day 1. I really wish he didn't also play awfully by voting the way he did, but he isn't here claiming he did his job by OMGUSing. The very act of taking the initiative to vote for somebody of his own accord is better than just sitting there waiting for somebody to vote you so you can vote them back.

I mean, you just listed what he did, said he did the same as you, and described him as insanely scummy. Also where did I call him "not scummy" I said nobody made a case on him including you.

Really, I don't want to lynch you for at least 5 IRL days so I'm not sure why you are so convinced I'm biased against you.

On August 24 2013 02:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
@vayne Sorry, I don't have the time to comprehensively reread 14 people every time they post. I start with a read, and it develops as they post (yam looked town). If you wish to make me reconsider, make a case and if it looks promising I will re-evaluate that person completely via filter etc. Very simple.

Did you seriously just say that "When I'm Scummy that means I'm town"?

This from the guy that started the game with "Please don't judge me by meta but rather by actions" at the start of this game. I just quoted that post like last page.

Yamato contributing more is absolutely objective because he took any initiative whatsoever instead of sitting inside his castle waiting for somebody to come and attack him. He bothered to even call somebody scummy instead of literally "I warned you this would happen" and counter vote 0 argument.

You are free to contribute now though, and if you wish to do so then more power to you. If you achieve anything I'll get off your back.

On August 24 2013 03:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
A) what exactly does the word "meta" mean to you? to me it means "Using past games of mafia of this player to in any way affect my opinions of his current play and/or alignment". Which as far as I can tell is what you are asking me to do. Yes my description is a verb and meta is a nounish thing. You get the idea.

B) so when you are mafia you do stuff but when you are town you can't be assed to try to even look like you are doing stuff or in any other way town aligned. Great.

On August 25 2013 10:16 johnnywup wrote:

how come you say "they" the first half of the sentence but then switch to "we"? scumslip?

On August 25 2013 10:18 kushm4sta wrote:
scum might have a roleblocker. it's possible they decide not to rb the sk. it's possibile they learned about the sk on n1

On August 25 2013 06:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
scum suspects for me right is narrowed down to from strongest to least

onegu
yamato
rainbows
johnnywup (geript randomly suspicious of crazo for absolutely garbage tier reasons, johnny replaces in and he is suspicious of crazo for absolutely terrible reasons as well. bus anyone?)
rayn (just because of the check really, I thought you were playing a town game)

On August 25 2013 10:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
6 targets, gimme 3 plz.

On August 25 2013 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne, why are you not pushing Onegu?

On August 25 2013 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why do we have a vig?

On August 25 2013 00:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
maybe that sn0_man guy will finally realize there's some merit to my play here. Scum ALWAYS try to push me when I'm town, like every single game since it's so easy to call me scum.

I don't know what game yamato is playing at but he's not trying to win clearly. Have this bad gut feeling he isn't scum though. Just does not give a shit at all.

He said in sicilian postgame that he has some sort of special "tell" on my scumplay but he has refused to divulge it. If he can actually give that reason for why I'm scummy here then I'll give him a townread. If he can't lynch the shit out of him.

On August 26 2013 21:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne, a couple of things:

1) Your case agains Onegu was mostly of him defending or not wanting to lynch Crazo. Why did you vote for Onegu over me, as i did defend Crazo too? I also have a red check on me.
2) When i claimed cop, your thought process was "you think yamato and me are both scum, why do you take your vote off from yamato and put it on me?". Why would i not put my vote on a red check if i was a cop? Why would i keep my vote on someone i do not have a red check on?

On August 28 2013 06:14 Koshi wrote:

Vayne why are your reads not strong yet? You could have some sort of read on this game?

On August 28 2013 14:29 johnnywup wrote:
@FT he was onto you guys so you didn't want to have an extra vote on you for no reason

@vayne it's not possible to have 2 SAMs? you can't really counterclaim a green role it has no power so there's not really any limit to how many there can be?

On August 31 2013 02:19 Koshi wrote:
Ok. I was not completely joking about VA. But I wanted to see if somebody would see the same as me in VA filter and it seems like nobody does. I put VA on 50% scum.

So VA could you tell me exactly what you were thinking while making these 2 posts?

On August 31 2013 02:25 Koshi wrote:

FUCK THAT EXPERIMENT.

How I see it.

1) I wanted to kill rayn because he looked bad in that argument with the Snowman.
2) I vote the Snowman.
= This is strange, what was that thing that you saw? Because it must have been something that made rayn scum and the snowman town.

On September 02 2013 11:24 Sn0_Man wrote:


You were the next lynch I think tbh. At least, me and Koshi were pushing for you.

On September 02 2013 11:29 Rainbows wrote:
I actually read Crazo as super town btw despite him not doing crap lol :p