On August 29 2013 05:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
It's the fact that your "honest opinion" doesn't seem to be what I would expect it to be. If I know someone decided to vote between two townies instead of their scumread, who we now know was scum, I find that suspicious. And while I *believed* that to be the case surrounding johnny, you should *know* it. So the fact that you're not suspicious of him makes me suspicious of you.

And that is why my case doesn't revolve around you as scumbuddies. You are the one I find to be behaving questionably in this situation. There's some stuff I wrote above that I feel certainly implicates the two of you being scum together, but I'm more confident that your play feels off than his does. Also, you're more likely to be lynched today than him, anyway.

I was supposed to blame Johnny for *not* throwing away his vote but instead using it against one of what was fairly clearly the only 2 people who could be lynched?
Pretty sure I was calling for consolidation fairly loudly and also I later called out some people for throwing away their vote D1. Also he voted for wos like ~7 other people including you so I wasn't gonna call him scum for that.

Whatever.

@Kush: He literally has done nothing all game, he pursued me really hard all game with his only reasoning being that case about me bringing up the lack of roleblockers (ya know, the case that had the entire thread laughing). He pushed an Onegu lynch really hard until it was apparent that he was getting one, then he immediately backed off and touted the towniness of onegu immediately pre-flip so that it didn't look like he wanted to lynch him. He entered the thread immediately after rayn's flip with a bunch of logic regarding how perfect the flip makes him look and how it vindicates all his scumreads and essentially proved that he had thought through what rayn's death meant to the public opinion of the thread and how he could manipulate it. It looked a LOT like he had chosen to kill rayn based on what ammo it would give him in the thread.

He was a BARE-minimum contributor for a long time until as soon as Koshi brought forth a case on him which I agreed upon, at which point he dashed into the thread with a ton of obviously pre-canned defenses and went into full "Any lynch but me" mode 40+hours before lynch. He was clearly desperate, another scum tell.

Iunno, it all fits way too well for tofu not to be scum.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 28 2013 20:27 GMT

#2484

I told you before, I'm willing to not lynch tofu but only if I can't lynch him and we have somebody else who is demonstrably scum. There are 3 scum left afaik. One is tofu, then the rest are 2 of Rainbows/Yam/Johnny/Vayne. Maybe Koshi but hes only scum if Tofu isn't I think which I don't believe right now.

I need better than 50/50 odds, which is about how I see lynching one of the 4 mentioned. I'm certain enough about tofu that it makes no sense to lynch one of the others.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 28 2013 21:00 GMT

#2485

On August 29 2013 05:24 Sn0_Man wrote:

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When his reason for voting for that person is that WoS didn't push reads of his own and instead voted for his townread to save himself? Yes. It's the exact thing that Johnny did, except his life wasn't on the line. He emphasizes multiple times that he wants to vote for crazo, but doesn't make a case or try to push it. He just drops it to start deciding who, between two of his town reads, he wants to lynch. And since you are the only person who "knows" you're town, I'd expect you to be suspicious of him.

And more evidence of them working together as a scumteam: Johnnywup seems to be begging for reasons to vote for WoS, but doesn't bring up Sn0 at all.

Every post about Sn0 just makes me more sure about johnny XD I'm pretty much up for a lynch on either of them.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

August 28 2013 21:10 GMT

#2486

I don't think sn0 is scummy for his opinion. It's just that sn0 is looking at just the events and not the attitudes johhny took. he prob didn't read it as closely as we did.

I agree with you fuba not because johnny ended up voting for WoS. Consolidation is expected. But because he was so sure crazo was scum and so sure wos and whoever else was up for lynch was town. Doesn't make sense for someone to be that sure of themselves (and that right) before even finishing to read the thread.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 28 2013 21:20 GMT

#2487

##Unvote
##Vote: johnnywup

Fine, I can go for a johnny lynch over Sn0. Gonna join me kush, or gonna stick with yamato?

Sn0, have your thoughts on johnny changed at all?

And Vayne, if you're here, what are your current thoughts on johnny?

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

August 28 2013 21:20 GMT

#2488

So you guys are feeling The Snowman, Yamato and Johnny?

That would mean that FT lost his passion for this game D:

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

August 28 2013 21:22 GMT

#2489

I would prefer The evul Snowman or Yamato first. But I can sheep The Lion King and Kush.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 28 2013 21:24 GMT

#2490

Fuba you successfully made johnny look bad. He's an option but still not *the* option.

yamato77

11589 Posts

August 28 2013 23:16 GMT

#2491

Someone tell me who to vote for.

Alakaslam

United States17322 Posts

August 28 2013 23:51 GMT

#2492

Vote Count

yamato77: (2) kushm4sta, Koshi
Koshi: (1) FirmTofu
FirmTofu: (1) Sn0_Man
Sn0_Man: (1) VayneAuthority, ~~mkfuba07~~
johnnywup: (1) mkfuba
No Vote: yamato77, Rainbows, johnnywup

Currently, yamato77 is set to be lynched.

Next deadline:
Deadline date: Thursday, Aug 29 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 29 2013 00:57 GMT

#2493

I'm not feeling at all confident about a FT lynch. I'll take a look, but I feel Sn0/johnny are our best bets.

yamato: I'd say vote for johnny.

Vayne: would you be willing to vote johnny?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

August 29 2013 01:20 GMT

#2494

I don't know enough about him to know if he's just busy or whatever, only played in nuclear with him and he didn't do much as town there except when he was attacked. Like I said the tunnel on crazo is weird but I don't know if its worth lynching for.

I will vote for sn0 or yamato.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

August 29 2013 01:27 GMT

#2495

My first priority is Koshi, my second is Sn0. I will vote Yamato if either of these two are not the top lynch candidates.

Order of Scummy from Greatest to Least:
Koshi
Sn0
Yamato
johnny
Rainbows
Vayne

Everyone else is totes town.

johnnywup

United States3858 Posts

August 29 2013 01:30 GMT

#2496

who should i vote for fuba? I don't want to die

----------- why are you tunneling me so hard?

and yes vayne i'm busy school started so i'm not here throughout the day.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 29 2013 01:31 GMT

#2497

On August 29 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
you don't have to consolidate, this isn't lylo/mylo. if scum tries anything it will be really obvious

Does everyone feel that this is true?

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

August 29 2013 01:33 GMT

#2498

Scum should be around 3 people atm. Therefore, to ensure that we lynch scum, we should have at least 4 town on a single person before the day goes on too long. Scum are extremely likely to vote-switch at the last second to save their scumbuddy. The only way to prevent this is to consolidate on someone earlier. Let's get our shit together and win this thing.