Rayn has a confirmed red check. Scum don't frame miller -- he's already going to show up red. Regular cops don't check miller claims. What WoS did was basically get himself an iron clad check on one person by checking the guy he knew was going to be red if scum or town. Prolly didn't know he could use himself, incase HE was a framed. WoS was a target of great suspicion and likely to be framed -- using himself as a check would have been crapshoot imo. Koshi was boss choice.

Rayn scum or framed --- confirmed.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

August 23 2013 15:19 GMT

#1582

scum frame miller because obviously parity cop is going to pick him. also it's either that or try and guess randomly who to frame. SCUM WILL ALWAYS FRAME MILLER

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

August 23 2013 15:19 GMT

#1583

rayn is a pretty good frame choice, and non-selfaware miller exists.
Every fucking game there are checks.

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 23 2013 15:21 GMT

#1584

On August 24 2013 00:19 kushm4sta wrote:
scum frame miller because obviously parity cop is going to pick him. also it's either that or try and guess randomly who to frame. SCUM WILL ALWAYS FRAME MILLER

Obviously scum know there is a parity cop as opposed to a regular one. /logic

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 23 2013 15:23 GMT

#1585

Everyone wifom that red check. wifom wifom wifom framers millers godfathers and liars wooooh baby.

Now can we lynch scum tomorrow, plz? Vig Rayne if we can.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

August 23 2013 15:24 GMT

#1586

rayn is red is the simplest reason. Sadly things arent always simple.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 23 2013 15:25 GMT

#1587

Having a SAM and a NSAM in the same game seems a bit excessive but what do I know. Either way, we have a solid if not 100% certain red check. The whole point of Framers Godfathers Millers etc is to force people to THINK about checks not just "lol check okay we win".

As such, lets THINK about rayn. If you guys don't think he is scum after his performance N0/D1 and how hard he pushed WoS (note how he begged for a Vig kill on our blue role lmao) then I'm not sure what to say. You sided with him on the vote because he shouted the loudest. Now that it is PROVEN he is full of shit by WoS flipping town (blue even) can we just lynch the obvious scum?

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 23 2013 15:26 GMT

#1588

On August 24 2013 00:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
Having a SAM and a NSAM in the same game seems a bit excessive but what do I know. Either way, we have a solid if not 100% certain red check. The whole point of Framers Godfathers Millers etc is to force people to THINK about checks not just "lol check okay we win".

As such, lets THINK about rayn. If you guys don't think he is scum after his performance N0/D1 and how hard he pushed WoS (note how he begged for a Vig kill on our blue role lmao) then I'm not sure what to say. You sided with him on the vote because he shouted the loudest. Now that it is PROVEN he is full of shit by WoS flipping town (blue even) can we just lynch the obvious scum?

Saying WoS was blue does nothing to help this post.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 23 2013 15:27 GMT

#1589

Yes. WoS did the obviously best thing to do as a parity cop. In every game I've played before with a parity cop, that was the recommended use. Check the guaranteed red, then someone else. Which to me screams that if you can flip it to green, it might be a good idea.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

August 23 2013 15:32 GMT

#1590

lmao rayn totally knew that WoS was blue

Rainbows

Germany1217 Posts

August 23 2013 15:42 GMT

#1591

Whatever... I'll be back after work.

If scum could not shoot me that'd be fantastic as well.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 23 2013 15:42 GMT

#1592

I'm not saying that he knew but I'm suspicious that he read WoS as blue based on the early play. How does that even matter. I only mentioned it to point out exactly how destructive any type of listening to rayn would have been, has now been, and WILL CONTINUE TO BE if we keep this up.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 23 2013 15:44 GMT

#1593

PS I'm out of town without anything more than extremely sporadic internets for about 48 hours after my last post today (which will be in about 10 hours if I had to guess, maybe less). So I'll just be back for D2 voting if I'm alive. And I *may* be able to post a bit of input in-between.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

August 23 2013 15:50 GMT

#1594

When did rayn read him as blue?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 23 2013 15:52 GMT

#1595

On August 24 2013 00:50 mkfuba07 wrote:
When did rayn read him as blue?

In his head when he was deciding what mislynch to push. Not in the thread obviously. The thread has never had a hint of what rayn is actually thinking...

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

August 23 2013 16:19 GMT

#1596

somebody is slightly tunneled

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 23 2013 16:26 GMT

#1597

Very much so. Why lynch anybody who HASN'T:
A) Been red checked
B) Pushed a mislynch harder than anything I can remember recently
C) Hard defended multiple scummy people on flimsy meta reasons like "they play bad as town so they must be town"
D) Spammed the hell out of the thread

I'm literally not accepting anything that isn't a rayn lynch D2. Period.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

August 23 2013 16:29 GMT

#1598

C) Hard defended multiple scummy people on flimsy meta reasons like "they play bad as town so they must be town"

Why is this scummy sn0man?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

August 23 2013 16:35 GMT

#1599

I didn't notice there was an alignment cop also in the rolelist.

Lynching rayn makes a lot more sense now

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

August 23 2013 16:38 GMT

#1600

Because they are bad reasons to defend much less hard defend, and because practically the only reason he was doing it was to suck up to these people (Vayne/FT were recipients of his hard defense, and they are the people who literally instantly OMGUS'd anybody who tossed even mild suspicion their way repeatedly) and keep the vote doing what he wanted (on a townie).

Like, he knew that any negative comment towards VA/FT gets him a vote from them because they had just finished insta-OMGUSing me when I said "Where are these guys? This lurking looks scummy..." so he just hard defended them to keep suspicion off them and to keep their opinions with him.

You can't seriously believe that Rayn meta'd 3 different people this game (Koshi/VA/FT) and said for all of them "Scum XXXX is better than this. This person is playing horribly so clear town 100%" and was actually 100% sold on his reasoning. That really doesn't sound legit.