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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:24 GMT
#390
Also WoS is perfectly aware of this but has zero motivation of defending Koshi.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:37 GMT
#402
This is why WaveofShadow is mafia:

This is one of the first posts from him in CCM:
On May 13 2013 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
I also don't think I've ever played with a N0 before. Can't remember.
Will there be a mafia NK tonight aside from possible power role use?

Because if so why are we giving mafia possible targets by talking..? (I guess they could probably knock off known strong players anyway but still.)

(Here is a link to the post for the following: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407685&currentpage=11#210 )

After that, when hosts confirm that roles can also act on N0, WoS retracts from his stance and starts scumhunting. If you read the game from that point on it can clearly be seen.

This is what i call WoS out for:
On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game?


WoS does not want to answer me, he keeps dodging the question, and this is all i get out of him:
On August 20 2013 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, in CCM you dropped the "let's not talk on N0" as soon as you were told the roles can act aswell. You were town.
Why do you take the same approach "let's do not talk" in this game?

What's different about the way I'm acting in this game and in that one thus far?

In CCM you understood that the correct way is not to not talk at all on N0. Why do you suggest it again now?

Show me how my play is different from my play in CC, Rayn.
Did I ever mention anything about changing my mind when I made the 'let's not talk' statement in CC?
Hell, did I ever even mention it again?

Look at the answer. He is saying "look, i am playing to my town meta as i played the same way in CCM".

The answer i was looking for (in case he was town was in this post (from CCM):
On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.

I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.

This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.

This is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again?

Answer is:
- Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game".
- He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough.
- If he was town he could, should and would explain himself.


Lynch D1. Or better, vig N0.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:42 GMT
#408
On August 21 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 21 2013 00:20 Koshi wrote:
On August 21 2013 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn, talk about Koshi.
Why would he not do it as scum, and what do you like about his explanation?

This Koshi talking is somewhat boring. But I can answer that.
Because I don't call JK when 4 people are telling me to claim it. I am not going to claim something "under pressure" because 1 guy made a case. I simply won't do that. But even if I did it, you guys are seriously overreacting that this is a 100% scumclaim. Dnu how long you are going to keep hammering on it.

Oh but i can reference this.
Last game Koshi did not fakeclaim Jailkeeper when he was under serious pressure from BOTH town AND his scumbuddies.


A fake jailkeeper claim is FAR more complicated than a miller claim. Take it from someone who solo'd a scum win off the back of a fake Jailkeeper claim.


The thing is people are accusing Koshi of fakeclaiming here, now, because "he is in fear of getting lynched for it".

You do not know the jailkeeper situation, at all. In the last game townie claimed a watcher who had watched 2 people visit a roleblocked townie and if those two people did not claim, we would lynch them. One guy claimed medic (reasonable), another one was either roleblocker or JK. We were screaming to Koshi in mafia QT "fuck you, why are you trying to throw the game, the only way you can survive is to claim JK". Koshi kept his head calm and said "no way i am claiming, the dude is fakeclaiming watcher". He was fakeclaiming.

Does this sound like a dude who being called out for something in his couple of first posts would panic as scum and fakeclaim miller?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:52 GMT
#410
Koshi is far worse as town as he is as scum or 3p. He is almost definitely town.
WoS on the other hand... Can you now comment on my case?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:55 GMT
#413
Yes, i am really certain that WoS is mafia. There is not a single reason why he would not explain himself and a direct mafia motivation in why he said what he did. I even tried, many times, to get him explain himself. He just would not.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 15:56 GMT
#414
EBWOP: explain himself as town
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:03 GMT
#416
On August 21 2013 01:00 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm all in on WoS.

He has my hypothetical vote until he gives an answer to both the original question, butt more importantly explains his avoidance discussing it.

That is the sad part. He can't justify it anymore to me. I gave him multiple possibilities of explaining himself. Now i have given him the correct answer. I am not accepting it any more. :/

That's why expect people to answer me when i ask something about them.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:08 GMT
#421
On August 21 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
how pissed while you be if WoS flips town Rayn?

tbh very pissed. WoS should know me better and imo would never do what he did if he was town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:09 GMT
#422
geript i already did explain why Koshi is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:11 GMT
#424
Oats what do you think of Snodude? Also do you think Koshi is mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:13 GMT
#427
On August 21 2013 01:12 Rainbows wrote:
Koshi and Rayn are probably town. I think Darthpunk is being stupid by wanting to lynch the miller claim. He's at best a vig shot--unfortunately that is not indicative of Darthpunks alignment. Sn0_man likes to passively finger point at people and is probably scum.

I propose you read the whole thread before commenting.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:18 GMT
#429
Wait vayne is making sense in his posts. Does that mean he is scum? :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:31 GMT
#438
yo DP, you are starting to feel like town. Scum getting scared, i agree with you on Rainbows 100%.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:38 GMT
#442
also geript and snoman are scummy.

DP, what do you think of geript & snodude?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:42 GMT
#447
On August 21 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
between this
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 21 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not care to explain my townreads unless they are in danger of getting lynched.
Now excuse me, i'm gonna make a case on WoS.

You are fucking out of your mind if you think koshi isn't getting lynched. Why you not talking Rayn? Townies love to talk. Maybe you aren't a townie. IN fact. Since when do townies flat out refuse to discuss their townreads that just claimed miller?


and this, DP,
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 01:05 DarthPunk wrote:
let me extrapolate. Rayns case is very good and leaves me with severe doubts over WoS. Further I liked the way rayn dealt with my tunnel and I think he is more likely to be town than scum.


what changed?

Oats DP explained that already.
Could you answer me, about WoS case and do you think if Koshi is scum or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:45 GMT
#455
Rainbows, why are you not taking a stance on the only thing there is for realz as now (WoS case)?
Why do you call out people flip-flopping around some things when you do exactly the same on important matters (like a case on WoS)?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:46 GMT
#457
On August 21 2013 01:44 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
also geript and snoman are scummy.

DP, what do you think of geript & snodude?

What's your beef? I don't have 80 posts yet? Whatever. Why don't you want to lynch Crazowhatever.

Because i am not sure if he is scum, you have not provided a case good enough and WoS is mafia. If you shoot WoS on N0 and make a good case on him i can think of it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:48 GMT
#460
On August 21 2013 01:47 geript wrote:
Fuck you Rayn. Tell me why you don't want to lynch Craz

Huh. I see nothing that makes me think he is mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:52 GMT
#465
On August 21 2013 01:48 geript wrote:
Fristed. Tell me why you think him +1ing WoS stupid no talk N0 idea inst scummy. Also the stupid odd way to claim town.

wtf man?
Because i have seen townies do it before (WoS).
I assume face to face -mafia games start like that.

What's scummy in that if he is new?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 16:53 GMT
#467
Okay Rainbows is mafia too.
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