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On August 21 2013 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato, my main point about WoS is that when i ask him "Why did you bring up the same anti-town thing you did in CCM?" his immediate answer is "Show me how i am playing different than in CCM".
That's not even what i was asking about. Why would a townie be concerned if he plays to his town meta or not? Because he obviously does. That response of his directly proves that he is aware he is doing something he did in another game in a same manner. Scum wonder about these things, not townies.
Also his explanation for the whole mess is bullshit. "Hey i played anti-town in purpose and now i am calling out people who called me out for my anti-town play". Don't you see how full of shit that explanation is? He basically says he has purposely wasted 24 hours of everyone's time with something that does not help anyone find mafia.
Also Koshi is the sole person in this thread that seem to get this.
The bolded is not necessarily true. Town should think about their thread image just as much as mafia. Just because someone is concerned with how this game compares to their past town games does not make them mafia. It makes them aware of how they are playing.
The underlined is not the truth. He thinks he sniffed out a scum player who was bluefishing. It's useful in his eyes. You think it's a waste of time because he's accusing you. I can believe that WoS as town honestly thought he could actually catch scum this way.
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On August 21 2013 23:41 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 23:31 yamato77 wrote:
Also
##Vote Kushm4sta
He's my placeholder lynch candidate. WHY
I'm surprised you even noticed, to be honest.
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On August 21 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No yamato, thread image =/= play compared to past town games. How does comparing yourself to your past town games as town help you finding scum in this game? I do not understand.
WaveofShadow is a smart player, he does not do stupid stuff as town. He also knows how i play. I tried to get him to answer me many times. I even said "if you do not answer i'll make a case and then there is no way back". He knows what that means. At this point he can't possibly think i am scum bluefishing, if he is saying so it's so retarded i don't even know what to say. He still refuses to answer me. The case is made and when i make a case you can be sure i push that case and do it hard. WoS also knows that. He just wanted a reason for himself to OMGUS me.
It is that simple. He did fuck up in the beginning and he is now trying to cover it up with bullshit reasons.
Why would scum-WoS intentionally antagonize town-Rayn if he knows how you play? It doesn't make sense for him to cause himself to be pursued as scum.
No, it's more likely that this is town-WoS trying to get a read on Rayn, and coming up with red.
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On August 22 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 21 2013 23:57 kushm4sta wrote:Thanks. So essentially, you are 100% certain he is scum because he didn't bring up the let's not talk n0 thing? He is scum because he doesn't want to waste time talking about obviously bad plans? That case is not convincing to me. no you clearly did not read the case. i literally just read the case twice lol
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On August 22 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
yamato is being exceptionally useless this game, he isnt pushing anyone and all up in someone's grill
I could say the same for you. I've been here, at times, trying to get discussion going in a productive direction without much success. What have you done today?
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On August 22 2013 08:52 FirmTofu wrote:
WoS, why are you voting Crazometer when you have a case on rayn that you have never retracted from?
Only he did retract it... >_>
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On August 22 2013 08:54 kushm4sta wrote:
FT gratz bro you are a townread now
And you were doing so well reading the thread.
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On August 22 2013 08:58 kushm4sta wrote:
you have scumreads yet yamato?
I'm still looking at Vayne and Koshi, and sorting through this Fuba/Rainbows thing that's developing as the next spam fest.
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On August 22 2013 09:00 kushm4sta wrote:
wow your derision of spam wins my heart over <3
Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days.
I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless.
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RE: Fuba
On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts.
Second smartest man in the thread. Not getting a feel that scum would post this.
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On August 22 2013 09:04 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:00 kushm4sta wrote:
wow your derision of spam wins my heart over <3 Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless. How else are we supposed to lynch scum?
By convincing the other people who can actually vote for him that he's scum?
Arguing with your scumread often goes nowhere, as this game is testament to.
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On August 22 2013 09:06 kushm4sta wrote:
Am i correct to believe that yamato's scum meta is laziness?
I've been lazy as town plenty of times. Read day 1 of LXI.
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On August 22 2013 00:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright guys I'm up.
Rayn are we done here? I will not be shitting up the thread with you today; there are far more important things to be done.
Not going to vote you either; I believe yamato/fuba/oats may have the right of it.
I fell asleep before I could properly look into Sn0_man, sorry.
It seems him and Rainbows may be the candidates for today?
Nope.
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On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl Show nested quote +As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything.
There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick?
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On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town?
I question him because I don't think you're scum either?
Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game.
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On August 22 2013 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:15 Rainbows wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 22 2013 09:10 Rainbows wrote:Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. The context you stated certainly makes sense, the tone of the post is fairly easy to replicate as scum. Yamato, I still want to know who you want to lynch today.
I'm leaning toward lynching Vayne. I've been waiting for him to become more involved in the thread but it just hasn't happened. His sideline commentary is easy to do as scum. He's also overly preoccupied with thinking that you are 3P. I have yet to see him become engaged with the thread and attempt to push any sort of scumread, quite unlike most of the people who have been considered today as lynch candidates.
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On August 22 2013 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 22 2013 09:14 yamato77 wrote:On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:rofl As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? I question him because I don't think you're scum either? Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game. Yet, on N0, you did absolutely nothing to tell either one of us why we are wrong. Regarding me giving false readings from the case itself does not make me stop. For WoS you telling him "rayn is too batshit insane to be mafia"is not going to be enough. You actually did not even try to stop us.
I told both of you that your reasons for thinking the other were scum were fallacious and argued this point multiple times. I don't understand how poor your reading comprehension is.
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I don't really want to waste any more words arguing about what I've done this game. If you think I'm scum because I don't agree with you, I don't give a fuck.
I'm leaving. When I get back, I will update my reads on players that I find suspicious and we WILL lynch one of them.
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I have some time to play today. Will read thread and post my thoughts.
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