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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 20 2013 17:10 GMT
#481
You've nailed the scum team right there Rainbows. Me/DP/Rayn/Oats.

All 4 of us making sure the thread doesn't discuss my evil scummy acts, such as calling attention to people attempting to hide in the shadows.

Actually, this raises an interesting setup speculation point: How many scum are there? KP we won't be able to discuss until D1, but other points we can at least guess at. Obviously I'm guessing there are 4 scum but I'm really not well versed in setups that are not 9/12 minis.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 17:12 GMT
#482
On August 21 2013 02:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 01:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually,
DP what do you mean by 'viewing the thread from the perspective of rayn being town'?


If I was wrong about rayn and he was town. Then his analysis and meta of koshi was genuine and trustworthy making it far more likely that koshi was, in fact, being a retarded townie.

Then taking away koshi as a suspect and ignoring my tunnel, Rayn actually had the best case in the thread and pointed out a lot of things about WoS that i also have problems with (avoidance of discussion being the major thing)


Rayn had 1 of 2 cases in the thread.

How is making a good case = town? Especially with the avoidance of discussion being so fucking obvious?

I was already viewing him as town because after i de-tunnelled a lot of his interaction/frustration with me came across as townie. like he says he won't discuss koshi but he can't let it go and does anyway. he got into a shit fight with me willingly and didn't back down. That shit is hard to fake. Could he be faking? sure. But i have more reasons to think he is town than to not do so.

So already viewing rayn as town. He has the best case in the thread, I want to put my weight behind it and see what is up with WoS.

I also trust rayns analysis of koshi based on their previous game.

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand.

Can you explain why Rayns case is good?
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 20 2013 17:12 GMT
#483
nonono. nobody discuss the setup now. we find scum, we are doin g so good already with no stupid setup talk after we got the discussion going!!
table for two on a tv tray
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
August 20 2013 17:13 GMT
#484
On August 21 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows make a case on Snodude. All i see is you saying "hey guys, don't you think this and that is scummy?". Point out why is calling scummy behaviour scummy. I can understand snoman doing that as town aswell.


Well, I'm lazy with cases and I just post post post things as they come.

My issue stands with him being a passive finger pointer, and it's something that I see scum do time and time again. Where can they push a mislynch? Where can they set up and justify their position for future mislynches?

Brightly shining townies are such because they take hard stances and lynch the fuck out of their suspicions. Good scum try to emulate that, but usually fall short. Either Sn0 is scum, or he just doesn't have much of an opinion?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 20 2013 17:13 GMT
#485
On August 21 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually,
DP what do you mean by 'viewing the thread from the perspective of rayn being town'?


If I was wrong about rayn and he was town. Then his analysis and meta of koshi was genuine and trustworthy making it far more likely that koshi was, in fact, being a retarded townie.

Then taking away koshi as a suspect and ignoring my tunnel, Rayn actually had the best case in the thread and pointed out a lot of things about WoS that i also have problems with (avoidance of discussion being the major thing)


Rayn had 1 of 2 cases in the thread.

How is making a good case = town? Especially with the avoidance of discussion being so fucking obvious?

I was already viewing him as town because after i de-tunnelled a lot of his interaction/frustration with me came across as townie. like he says he won't discuss koshi but he can't let it go and does anyway. he got into a shit fight with me willingly and didn't back down. That shit is hard to fake. Could he be faking? sure. But i have more reasons to think he is town than to not do so.

So already viewing rayn as town. He has the best case in the thread, I want to put my weight behind it and see what is up with WoS.

I also trust rayns analysis of koshi based on their previous game.

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand.

Can you explain why Rayns case is good?

btw i am still waiting for your response to the case..
table for two on a tv tray
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
August 20 2013 17:14 GMT
#486
On August 21 2013 02:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
You've nailed the scum team right there Rainbows. Me/DP/Rayn/Oats.

All 4 of us making sure the thread doesn't discuss my evil scummy acts, such as calling attention to people attempting to hide in the shadows.

Actually, this raises an interesting setup speculation point: How many scum are there? KP we won't be able to discuss until D1, but other points we can at least guess at. Obviously I'm guessing there are 4 scum but I'm really not well versed in setups that are not 9/12 minis.


Don't do this. And I don't think Rayn is scum, DP/oats maybe but DP is hopefully town.

I was referring to lurkers who, if scum, would just wait out my pressure on you.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 17:20 GMT
#487
On August 21 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually,
DP what do you mean by 'viewing the thread from the perspective of rayn being town'?


If I was wrong about rayn and he was town. Then his analysis and meta of koshi was genuine and trustworthy making it far more likely that koshi was, in fact, being a retarded townie.

Then taking away koshi as a suspect and ignoring my tunnel, Rayn actually had the best case in the thread and pointed out a lot of things about WoS that i also have problems with (avoidance of discussion being the major thing)


Rayn had 1 of 2 cases in the thread.

How is making a good case = town? Especially with the avoidance of discussion being so fucking obvious?

I was already viewing him as town because after i de-tunnelled a lot of his interaction/frustration with me came across as townie. like he says he won't discuss koshi but he can't let it go and does anyway. he got into a shit fight with me willingly and didn't back down. That shit is hard to fake. Could he be faking? sure. But i have more reasons to think he is town than to not do so.

So already viewing rayn as town. He has the best case in the thread, I want to put my weight behind it and see what is up with WoS.

I also trust rayns analysis of koshi based on their previous game.

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand.

Can you explain why Rayns case is good?

btw i am still waiting for your response to the case..

its all 'WoS didnt answer me'
No gg, No skill.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
August 20 2013 17:21 GMT
#488
@Sn0_Man

If you had the opportunity to kill one person right now, who would it be. Besides me, of course.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 20 2013 17:23 GMT
#489
On August 21 2013 02:13 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows make a case on Snodude. All i see is you saying "hey guys, don't you think this and that is scummy?". Point out why is calling scummy behaviour scummy. I can understand snoman doing that as town aswell.


Well, I'm lazy with cases and I just post post post things as they come.

My issue stands with him being a passive finger pointer, and it's something that I see scum do time and time again. Where can they push a mislynch? Where can they set up and justify their position for future mislynches?

Brightly shining townies are such because they take hard stances and lynch the fuck out of their suspicions. Good scum try to emulate that, but usually fall short. Either Sn0 is scum, or he just doesn't have much of an opinion?

I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean.

I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread.

I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent).

I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 20 2013 17:23 GMT
#490
On August 20 2013 18:18 Mocsta wrote:
Lol
Oats. Dp . Rayn. Firmtofu. Vayne

This is gonna be a massive spam fest



he spoke true.
I'm still on page 7 and I have shit to do ATM. STOP POstiNg SO MUHC SO I CAN READ EVERYTHING
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 17:24 GMT
#491
apparently thats the best case in the game according to DP.
I guess it is, but it isnt mindblowingly awesome.

I dunno, too many assumptions for me. The facts are that he didnt want to answer your questions. You think that its scummy.
I think he might do it as town.
No gg, No skill.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
August 20 2013 17:26 GMT
#492
On August 21 2013 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:13 Rainbows wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows make a case on Snodude. All i see is you saying "hey guys, don't you think this and that is scummy?". Point out why is calling scummy behaviour scummy. I can understand snoman doing that as town aswell.


Well, I'm lazy with cases and I just post post post things as they come.

My issue stands with him being a passive finger pointer, and it's something that I see scum do time and time again. Where can they push a mislynch? Where can they set up and justify their position for future mislynches?

Brightly shining townies are such because they take hard stances and lynch the fuck out of their suspicions. Good scum try to emulate that, but usually fall short. Either Sn0 is scum, or he just doesn't have much of an opinion?

I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean.

I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread.

I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent).

I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots.


While I disagree and argue that vig shots are largely a waste of time to speculate on, I surprisingly like the first part of this answer as a defense.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 20 2013 17:26 GMT
#493
On August 21 2013 02:21 Rainbows wrote:
@Sn0_Man

If you had the opportunity to kill one person right now, who would it be. Besides me, of course.

Well, if you mean to obliterate them RIGHT NOW it would be Koshi, but only because the people who I would otherwise vig deserve a chance to post (we are only 6 hours into the thread).

I still think that a N0 vig shot currently goes at crazynator until something changes, both to send a message and because he looks decently scummy.

I owe the thread a re-read on WoS but I'm waiting for him to provide more material. More rope to hang him with, if you will.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 20 2013 17:26 GMT
#494
On August 21 2013 02:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:53 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 21 2013 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually,
DP what do you mean by 'viewing the thread from the perspective of rayn being town'?


If I was wrong about rayn and he was town. Then his analysis and meta of koshi was genuine and trustworthy making it far more likely that koshi was, in fact, being a retarded townie.

Then taking away koshi as a suspect and ignoring my tunnel, Rayn actually had the best case in the thread and pointed out a lot of things about WoS that i also have problems with (avoidance of discussion being the major thing)


Rayn had 1 of 2 cases in the thread.

How is making a good case = town? Especially with the avoidance of discussion being so fucking obvious?

I was already viewing him as town because after i de-tunnelled a lot of his interaction/frustration with me came across as townie. like he says he won't discuss koshi but he can't let it go and does anyway. he got into a shit fight with me willingly and didn't back down. That shit is hard to fake. Could he be faking? sure. But i have more reasons to think he is town than to not do so.

So already viewing rayn as town. He has the best case in the thread, I want to put my weight behind it and see what is up with WoS.

I also trust rayns analysis of koshi based on their previous game.

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand.

Can you explain why Rayns case is good?

btw i am still waiting for your response to the case..

its all 'WoS didnt answer me'

Either you did not read my case at all or you are scum.
table for two on a tv tray
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 20 2013 17:28 GMT
#495
On August 21 2013 02:26 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:13 Rainbows wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows make a case on Snodude. All i see is you saying "hey guys, don't you think this and that is scummy?". Point out why is calling scummy behaviour scummy. I can understand snoman doing that as town aswell.


Well, I'm lazy with cases and I just post post post things as they come.

My issue stands with him being a passive finger pointer, and it's something that I see scum do time and time again. Where can they push a mislynch? Where can they set up and justify their position for future mislynches?

Brightly shining townies are such because they take hard stances and lynch the fuck out of their suspicions. Good scum try to emulate that, but usually fall short. Either Sn0 is scum, or he just doesn't have much of an opinion?

I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean.

I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread.

I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent).

I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots.


While I disagree and argue that vig shots are largely a waste of time to speculate on, I surprisingly like the first part of this answer as a defense.

I think you are the only person who has played with Scum-Sn0
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 20 2013 17:29 GMT
#496
On August 21 2013 02:26 Rainbows wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:13 Rainbows wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows make a case on Snodude. All i see is you saying "hey guys, don't you think this and that is scummy?". Point out why is calling scummy behaviour scummy. I can understand snoman doing that as town aswell.


Well, I'm lazy with cases and I just post post post things as they come.

My issue stands with him being a passive finger pointer, and it's something that I see scum do time and time again. Where can they push a mislynch? Where can they set up and justify their position for future mislynches?

Brightly shining townies are such because they take hard stances and lynch the fuck out of their suspicions. Good scum try to emulate that, but usually fall short. Either Sn0 is scum, or he just doesn't have much of an opinion?

I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean.

I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread.

I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent).

I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots.


While I disagree and argue that vig shots are largely a waste of time to speculate on, I surprisingly like the first part of this answer as a defense.

Wait Rainbows. The "first part of the answer" is exactly what you are accusing him of. lol.
table for two on a tv tray
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
August 20 2013 17:30 GMT
#497
On August 21 2013 02:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 02:26 Rainbows wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:13 Rainbows wrote:
On August 21 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows make a case on Snodude. All i see is you saying "hey guys, don't you think this and that is scummy?". Point out why is calling scummy behaviour scummy. I can understand snoman doing that as town aswell.


Well, I'm lazy with cases and I just post post post things as they come.

My issue stands with him being a passive finger pointer, and it's something that I see scum do time and time again. Where can they push a mislynch? Where can they set up and justify their position for future mislynches?

Brightly shining townies are such because they take hard stances and lynch the fuck out of their suspicions. Good scum try to emulate that, but usually fall short. Either Sn0 is scum, or he just doesn't have much of an opinion?

I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean.

I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread.

I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent).

I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots.


While I disagree and argue that vig shots are largely a waste of time to speculate on, I surprisingly like the first part of this answer as a defense.

I think you are the only person who has played with Scum-Sn0


We lynched you as soon as you replaced, not a good meta read. But I do like the responses you gave and have a few things more to mull over.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 17:31 GMT
#498
this case right rayn?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&currentpage=21#402
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 20 2013 17:32 GMT
#499
Snodude: In what game have you played scum here? I tried looking at your profile but you don't have info on there of your mafia games and i don't want to look over 10 pages of posted threads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 20 2013 17:32 GMT
#500
On August 21 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
this case right rayn?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&currentpage=21#402

yeah.
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