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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 13:54 GMT
#281
Hi DP
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 20 2013 13:55 GMT
#282
Rayn, my jimmies remain delightfully unrustled.

YAY DP!
Have you caught up yet?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 20 2013 13:58 GMT
#283
On August 20 2013 22:51 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:49 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:35 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you giving all this general Advice Onegu, that no one asked for?



Because I dont want some of the other people who are newer in the thread to listen to the other people without thinking because no one chalenges them.

Why?
Why dont you focus on finding scum instead of helping these unnamed people who I dont even know who. I assume you have a specific person in mind Onegu?



Mostly rainbows, but there are some other people who I dont know or are recently out of newbies.

Why would rainbows or any of these dudes need your advice? Did you see an example that without your advice, they would believe these things which are clearly wrong?



Look I dont care if they take my opinion or not, but I prefer if someone disagrees with something they dont just keep it to themselves even if it isnt scum hunting

so whos scum??



We are only 5 pages in but right now WoS is the person I am looking at the most.


On August 20 2013 22:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:47 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:35 Onegu wrote:
[quote]


Because I dont want some of the other people who are newer in the thread to listen to the other people without thinking because no one chalenges them.

Why?
Why dont you focus on finding scum instead of helping these unnamed people who I dont even know who. I assume you have a specific person in mind Onegu?



Mostly rainbows, but there are some other people who I dont know or are recently out of newbies.

Why would rainbows or any of these dudes need your advice? Did you see an example that without your advice, they would believe these things which are clearly wrong?



Look I dont care if they take my opinion or not, but I prefer if someone disagrees with something they dont just keep it to themselves even if it isnt scum hunting

yeah but you do not disagree. you agree with what people point out earlier.
that's the difference.



Wait what? I disagree with survior claim, disagree with not posting at night, and answer a question about lynching lurkers....

You're taking the the stance most 'accepted' in thread.


lololololol



You look the worst right now what do you want.



You give the no talk thing, then you call koshi scum because he disagrees with because blues have a hard time getting read (i agree with him), and then you dont say much about the previous game rayne talks about when you know people think it is wrong.
Try TL Mafia!!!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 13:58 GMT
#284
WoS be honest with me please. Are you going to answer me or not?
If you are, good.
If you are not, i can make the case right now and then there is no way back.
table for two on a tv tray
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 13:59 GMT
#285
First things first I would like rayn to answer how he reconciles his current position with his previous position on miller claims in a night 0 game.

This game:
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.


From Carnival Cruise

On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote:
Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment.


On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia.



On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 13:59 GMT
#286
On August 20 2013 22:58 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 22:51 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:49 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:35 Onegu wrote:
[quote]


Because I dont want some of the other people who are newer in the thread to listen to the other people without thinking because no one chalenges them.

Why?
Why dont you focus on finding scum instead of helping these unnamed people who I dont even know who. I assume you have a specific person in mind Onegu?



Mostly rainbows, but there are some other people who I dont know or are recently out of newbies.

Why would rainbows or any of these dudes need your advice? Did you see an example that without your advice, they would believe these things which are clearly wrong?



Look I dont care if they take my opinion or not, but I prefer if someone disagrees with something they dont just keep it to themselves even if it isnt scum hunting

so whos scum??



We are only 5 pages in but right now WoS is the person I am looking at the most.


On August 20 2013 22:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:47 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:
On August 20 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quote]
Why?
Why dont you focus on finding scum instead of helping these unnamed people who I dont even know who. I assume you have a specific person in mind Onegu?



Mostly rainbows, but there are some other people who I dont know or are recently out of newbies.

Why would rainbows or any of these dudes need your advice? Did you see an example that without your advice, they would believe these things which are clearly wrong?



Look I dont care if they take my opinion or not, but I prefer if someone disagrees with something they dont just keep it to themselves even if it isnt scum hunting

yeah but you do not disagree. you agree with what people point out earlier.
that's the difference.



Wait what? I disagree with survior claim, disagree with not posting at night, and answer a question about lynching lurkers....

You're taking the the stance most 'accepted' in thread.


lololololol



You look the worst right now what do you want.



You give the no talk thing, then you call koshi scum because he disagrees with because blues have a hard time getting read (i agree with him), and then you dont say much about the previous game rayne talks about when you know people think it is wrong.

Did you read the game i am talking about? How do you know i am right ans WoS is wrong because i have given no proof about it?
table for two on a tv tray
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 20 2013 14:01 GMT
#287
On August 20 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS be honest with me please. Are you going to answer me or not?
If you are, good.
If you are not, i can make the case right now and then there is no way back.

I don't respond to threats, Rayn.
Whatever I am going to do, I was going to do from the very beginning.
Go ahead and make a case.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:02 GMT
#288
On August 20 2013 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:
First things first I would like rayn to answer how he reconciles his current position with his previous position on miller claims in a night 0 game.

This game:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.


From Carnival Cruise

Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote:
Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment.


Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia.



Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.


The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers.
This is semi-open setup. In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point.
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 14:04 GMT
#289
I dont see the point of wasting a parity check on someone on purpose.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 14:04 GMT
#290
Actually never mind.
No gg, No skill.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:07 GMT
#291
That game he was town. In this game he has completely reversed his position. What gives?

Aside from this dissonance from rayn. I don't really give a fuck about policy.

The person most likely to be scum is Koshi.

He is following the trends of the thread with quick position reverses and one liners.

On August 20 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.

I was thinking the same.



On August 20 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote:
Ok, survivor might not want to claim. The self-aware miller should claim though. Dnu why he shouldn't claim instantly. Silly role.


Obviously he has no opinion yet tries to contribute to the discussion. Whilst saying absolutely nothing and backflipping within the space of a post.

I also don;t like the awkward post-hoc clarification he does as he tries to diminish his backflip

On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what's your read on Oats and why did you immediately change your mind on survivor claim thingy when Oats and yamato posted?

I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem.


On August 20 2013 21:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.

I was thinking the same.

about the self-aware miller

(survivor can fuck off)


The rest of his filter is useless one liners and a hilarious OMGUS

On August 20 2013 22:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wasnt asking why you think Koshi is scum.

You think yamato isnt serious in his accusation? Why?

Oats so smart. Yamato and WoS are scum.



"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:09 GMT
#292
Oats my point basically is that in semi-open setup miller claims help town more than in closed setups (assumably, when looking at the possible roles). Also knowing what the stance was in CCM and considering what Ace said after the game about the claiming thing i made my proposition. Also if millers claim they should definitely claim on N0 (not like someone did in LXI - claimed somewhere around D2).
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 14:09 GMT
#293
DP can you get on the shit on WoS train?
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:10 GMT
#294
DP did you read what i said about WoS? Thoughts?
table for two on a tv tray
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:11 GMT
#295
On August 20 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:
First things first I would like rayn to answer how he reconciles his current position with his previous position on miller claims in a night 0 game.

This game:
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.


From Carnival Cruise

On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote:
Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment.


On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia.



On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.


The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers.
This is semi-open setup. In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point.


Nah I call bullshit on that.
On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.


Your explanation flies in the face of never claiming miller when you don;t know THE EXACT NUMBER and that a townie SHOULD NEVER BE COP CHECKED.

Like I know you were fucking wrong in carnival cruise about millers and I agree with you this game that millers should claim. But the fact you have backflipped and your justification for your previous position directly contradicts your previous position means something is fucking wrong.



"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:12 GMT
#296
On August 20 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP can you get on the shit on WoS train?


Nah I'm not sure if he is scum or you are yet. Feel free to carry on though.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 14:13 GMT
#297
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 20 2013 14:13 GMT
#298
On August 20 2013 23:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP can you get on the shit on WoS train?


Nah I'm not sure if he is scum or you are yet. Feel free to carry on though.

fun-killer.
No gg, No skill.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:13 GMT
#299
Anyway Koshi is the best lynch right now.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 20 2013 14:15 GMT
#300
No, WoS is by far better. Comment on what i said.
You can make the same case on WoS you are making on me right now, except that i am able to dewfend myself and WoS apparently is not.
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