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Look. I died early on in CCM, i do not follow games closely after i die. Hell i don't even know how half of the games ended i have played in. I have no idea if you were blue in CCM or not.
Why would i think you are blue here? I certainly do not think (even if you were blue in CCM) you are stupid enough to mimic your blue play so obviously (as you call it). As mafia it is more likely than as green, because you do not want to look scummy. Why would you want to look scummy to people?
If you are mafia in this situation you make an opening post, have a meta backup to provide. Maybe you even get some stupid townies to agree with your idea of no speaking.
I also do not understand why did you respond with your meta-argument, because the question had nothing to do with meta. If i put myself in your town!shoes i would tell me "i answer you when i feel like it", certainly not give an answer that has nothing to do with the question. I notice this kinda stuff.
I would also like to know when you concluded that i am scum bluehunting (that explanation smells fishy in the first place because the matter was discussed with me just a couple of days ago and i even told i also do bluehunt actively as town)?
I would also like to know how on earth the only thing you conclude from N0 thing you pulled off is that "rayn is bluehunting scum because he calls out my anti-town actions"? Really, nothing else?
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kushmasta what in other games you read tells you that sno is town? I have a hard timeseeing it because i read his scumgame and that wass exactly like he behaves here. Also what did WoS say that made you drop the suspicion on him?
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Actually i did not push Paperscraps lynch, never. But fair enough. Can you make a case on Snoman then? I still do not see a better case than mine on WoS in thread and i am not making another one. WoS was supposed to read some players yesterday and he has yet to follow that up in any way.
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On August 22 2013 04:38 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i did not push Paperscraps lynch, never. But fair enough. Can you make a case on Snoman then? I still do not see a better case than mine on WoS in thread and i am not making another one. WoS was supposed to read some players yesterday and he has yet to follow that up in any way. I don't mind making a case on sn0, but I'll reread yours first. I'm still a bit wavering on WoS. His defense so far has been sub-par to say the least.
How can you know WoS' defense is sub-par if you have not even read the case?
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On August 22 2013 04:45 FirmTofu wrote:
The main reason I prefer the sn0 lynch to WoS is because of the NK.
Why did they kill DarthPunk? DarthPunk must've been on the right track. I'm inclined to believe that at least one of Rainbows and sn0 is scum, if not both.
Lynching into one of DP's strongest scum reads is a safer bet than WoS.
This is certainly not the only possible solution and WIFOM. DP was definitely the strongest player in this game. No reason to not kill him whether or not he was right. He would be, at least at some point.
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I think geript is scum for two reasons. I did not like his push on Crazometer at all. The reasons were not good and it seemed like he was trying to swing the discussion off WoS (he did not comment on WoS stuff at all at first). When i said later on i think geript is scum he instantly started yelling me "i know i am lurky as scum, but now i have been busy". Over-defensive, i never even said why i think he is scum.
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On August 22 2013 05:12 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 05:10 Koshi wrote:
^ you haven't said why you find the Snowman scummy.
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That veteran list is silly. Everytime I make a case, everyone just skims over it and nothing comes of it. I'm trying a new approach this time. asses your current base beliefs and then reach a logical conclusion while incorporating the NK. Let me know if you have trouble following the logic or if there are any holes in it.
I don't know how you are supposed to apply the logic in this situtaion. Like how it helps us finding scum? Also DarthPunk was extremely pro-town now matter how useless he was trying to look.
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On August 22 2013 05:15 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think geript is scum for two reasons. I did not like his push on Crazometer at all. The reasons were not good and it seemed like he was trying to swing the discussion off WoS (he did not comment on WoS stuff at all at first). When i said later on i think geript is scum he instantly started yelling me "i know i am lurky as scum, but now i have been busy". Over-defensive, i never even said why i think he is scum. I would like to remind you that association cases don't amount to much. Try not to base your case on him on the fact that he is associated to WoS. Remember how that logic turned out in Titanic?
Nonono. It's not an association case. It does not matter what alignment WoS is. geript as town does not know WoS' alignment. He does not look / comment on the case on WoS in any way. Instead he points out another suspect with reasons i find to be weak.
The correct way to play as town is to tell what do you think of the case, point out if something is wrong in it, so that townies do not look at the wrong places. Or agree with it if you do. Add something if you have something to add.
geript does none of it, he just let's the case go unnoticed.
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Damn you Koshi, why do you not always play like this. I don't even need to post because you say just about everything i am about to say. :D
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mkfuba, this post and importantly these parts of it.
On August 21 2013 01:50 Rainbows wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows, why are you not taking a stance on the only thing there is for realz as now (WoS case)?
Why do you call out people flip-flopping around some things when you do exactly the same on important matters (like a case on WoS)? I don't really see how I'm flip flopping on a WoS case if I haven't given my opinion on it :p, You silly goose Rayn. I have a far stronger scumread on Sn0_man. Why do you consider your case the only thing that matters  . If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post.My biggest failings as a town player is pursuing my initial day 1 reads. Last game I pinned Artanis as scum but never pushed it, resulting in a townie getting lynched over him. I want to push my reads Day 1 because typically they are very good.
First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping.
Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case".
Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place?
Another thing that bothers me is this post:
The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post:
This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so?
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What does lickspittle mean? Like i know what it means but what does WoS mean with it when he says Koshi is acting as a lickspittle for me?
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Actually you say what i am about to say.. That's quite different.
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Fuba could you answer me about what i asked you in the last page?
Also, while you're at it, could you also tell me how Rainbows is a "reasonably confident scumread" of yours as your reasoning for voting him is "feels mafia"?
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Rainbows could you amongst others read the last pages and give me a recap on what do you think of the case on WoS (it's been talked about a lot on D1). You clearly did misread my case on D1, does this change your opinion?
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Fuba & Rainbows. Yeah i miused "flip flopping". I meant Rainbows talks about WoS case earlier but does not give any comment on it. He lists things that have happened in thread and then he did not comment on those happenings in any way, or told why they are dumb (if he thinks so).
Rainbows, you said this:
"If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post."
Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no?
Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong.
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Then why did you not just say "I think your case on WoS is bad because of XYZ" in the first place instead of saying "there is a case on WoS" and then nothing?
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Can we lynch WoS so you can start the sheeping as soon as possible?
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On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2013 09:00 kushm4sta wrote:
wow your derision of spam wins my heart over <3 Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless.
What do you suggest we do and how do we find mafia?
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On August 22 2013 09:00 Rainbows wrote:
@Anyone
Fuba - He scum or just bad?
I am really tired. I read his defense in the morning and give you my thoughts.
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