Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2

On September 01 2013 09:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Cause geript redirected every single vote to bh, it seems.

On August 30 2013 10:25 HiroPro wrote:
Gentlemen,

I stand before you a changed man. Once I was but a simple peasant toiling away in the fields. But I was changed by my maker... For Now I am a member of the Brown! Freed from my shackles, I shall lead all that is good! Let not the demons and machines trouble you! Strike back! This game is ours! No one shall trouble us here!

On August 30 2013 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Uhm
I can understand wanting to lynch geript based on absolutely nothing

in fact, that was my second plan for re-entering the thread, but I went with this one.

So
I guess that means it's null to me

On September 02 2013 04:57 Clarity_nl wrote:


Your interpretation makes him scum but he could just as easily just be town trolling and making shit up about what he would have done in other situations. There's other stuff about him that's damning though, and you seem cool.
I like zentor > dandel. What do you think?

On September 02 2013 09:38 Clarity_nl wrote:


Are you claiming a shot on him?

On September 02 2013 09:45 Clarity_nl wrote:


Why did you say geript is unkillable?

On September 02 2013 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:


I don't know what of make of this post. debears, you're pretty good at this game, why would he suggest such a terrible thing?

On September 02 2013 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
why even consider martyring yourself?

On September 02 2013 23:44 Koshi wrote:
Eeuhm, geript won't be able to change votes every time, how sick would that be if you would have died last night debears?

On September 04 2013 09:54 Clarity_nl wrote:


No way scum would know this though. 100% town move from vayne.

On September 05 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:

I know my opinion on the matter means little to you guys, but this doesn't appear to be coming from a townie. Just sayin.

On September 05 2013 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

Basically I don't feel like enough has been said on the matter. That you do indicates that you're not interested in discourse or trying to discern anything about the game. That's the scum-mindset pal. Townies wanna try and figure each other out - they do so by asking questions, or by screaming at others until they get their way. Townies aren't afraid to say more on the matter. You are.

Basically.

On September 05 2013 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote:

That's not what the post I quoted said. The post I quoted said you've found scum and are so sure in it's accuracy that no further discussion is required on the matter.

Is that not what the post I quoted said? I could have sworn it did........

On September 05 2013 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Curious in what way? Curious in a way that makes you suspect that I'm NOT mod-confirmed non-scum?

On September 05 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only that I'm immune from lynch today.

Anyway, it doesn't matter to me what you meant by your "Nuff said". All I know is that you said it after placing a vote. Townies will take what they will from that. I've said my piece on what I took from it. *shrug*

On September 05 2013 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't have to - you already explained it in enough detail for me to get a read on you.

On September 05 2013 15:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Cakepie's recent posting, he's piecing things together for us, finding beauty in the dissonance so to speak. Grats on town read.


Naaah. Might help if you opened up MSPaint and created a impressionist diorama akin to debears, at least it'll be worth a chuckle. Maybe you should be voting for the 'slam dunk?

if you miss the pun i'm sorry, I had to

On September 05 2013 20:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
Gaining more confidence in a debears lynch honestly. Just because of nightkill wifom...
Like, Cheese didn't die either and he was pushing slam as hard as I was near deadline.

On September 05 2013 21:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Here's the thing, if you were town why would you send me on such a wild goose chase?

Question for you though: Have you considered using your role ability that only puts you and your target up for lynch on austin? You were basically ready to die last cycle to kill geript, but you haven't mentioned that ability today yet?

On September 05 2013 21:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
You also haven't cared to comment on the cell stuff, even though austin is in the middle of it.

On September 05 2013 21:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright well how about you stop posting, get caught up, and then post some actual reads? This is the only game you're currently in, yes?

On September 05 2013 22:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
Calling me lazy this game is just an insult btw, I've put more time in this game than I care to admit.

On September 05 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because I do not understand why you, as town, would waste my time by looking into your previous games, especially since it doesn't debunk anything I've said, see my previous post. My only use of meta is that you care a ton as town (or last game which you basically played as if you were town). Getting kinda tired of this soft pushing debears, and you still haven't commented on austin.

I've seen you play as both alignments debears, I'm aware you put effort in as scum as well. But you could easily just say THAT instead of making me go on a "wild goose hunt".

Anyway with this new info from stutters/onegu we're lynching slam today. So read up on slam, read up on austin, give us READS.

On September 06 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:
Voting debears, there's no way he should even be functional if he's not reading the thread without some kind of assistance.

##Vote: debears

Also I think he tried something like this shit back in Nomination Mafia and he was scum there.

On September 06 2013 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

debears and OO.

I've suspected them both but that was a townish act from debears and OO is fearless (or seemingly) in the face of it.

If they're both town I'm officially playing for scum. :/

On September 06 2013 13:42 ObviousOne wrote:
Well the town hasn't hit any mafia with KP yet so why stop the nonsense now, right? I'm a public (must announce in thread) day Vig with a 1 day delay and I have not shot anyone because, as you've seen, its typically more likely to hit town than anything. I asked rayn specifically today who he thought was mafia because I trust he is the town Pokemon master opposing a scum Pokemon master and he has been vocal about trying to settle things in the thread to no avail.

I will say this much: I'd rather not have to shoot debears given that it's a lynch between him and myself but at this point he's the one I'm most confident to be scum in this thread today. So he will die one way or another. That is why I'm confident in the face of this, VE. He has assured mutual destruction at worst, and his lynch at best and I hope a 1 for 1 trade with scum is going to help us win.

On September 06 2013 13:48 ObviousOne wrote:

Who crumbs day vig? You'll know when it happens. Plain as day.

On September 06 2013 10:28 ObviousOne wrote:
Is debears really playing the game while being more than half the game behind in reading the thread? What the fuck?!

On September 06 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:
Voting debears, there's no way he should even be functional if he's not reading the thread without some kind of assistance.

##Vote: debears

Also I think he tried something like this shit back in Nomination Mafia and he was scum there.

On September 06 2013 13:58 ObviousOne wrote:

Well, I decided today to vote for you, so today would be a good day to shoot, right?

On September 06 2013 14:20 Risen wrote:


I thought the shot was instant. If that was the case then a town OO would immediately shoot debears simply to save the town from potentially lynching him (a confirmed townie to himself). This would free up the lynch.

I didn't know it was a 24 hour delay. Had I known I would have asked OO to shoot whoever he thought was his strongest scum read. The fact that he immediately sheeped me makes me think he's scum making a desperate play, though. A townie would simply shoot his strongest scum read and be done with it, not sheep with me a person he just asked to be lynched.

On September 06 2013 19:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Fuck, I dunno. debears please explain how you're so certain. It seems to me like you used your ability because you were the main lynch candidate after slam banned himself. I guess townies AND scum can do that, but town have to be pretty certain about their read whereas scum do not.

OO's shot boggles my mind, why not see who is getting lynched before using your shot? If we end up lynching debears now the shot is wasted. Can you explain OO?

On September 07 2013 01:28 austinmcc wrote:
debears, why was/am i mafia?

On September 07 2013 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You have done this before. You were a 3p.

e wondering why I Nirvana strike'd when I did, it was for these reasons

1) I was gonna be a main lynch candidate anyways
2) If I get a scum with the nirvana strike, I would be likely near confirmed town
3) I am far behind, and there r

On September 07 2013 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You did not say nothing like that. You commented on the game before catching up, which basically means you are most likely sure to be misinformed about what's going on, as you do not know the most recent happenings.

On September 07 2013 01:49 Clarity_nl wrote:


So you're nirvana striking for towncred?

On September 07 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So you are all-inning when being an almost sure lynch after Slam dropped, while ont reading the thread and not being caught up. Yet you are sure enough OO is scum? What if he had claimed something that proves he is town before that?

On September 07 2013 01:56 austinmcc wrote:
Grrrr, that answer interesting. Figured I'd be set up for a mislynch due to inactivity earlier, and was watching for people who kind of limped in and found me scummy without much reasoning, or never really pushed it and just suddenly added me to some scumlist. If your read was based on my activity/thread presence, how does my sleeper cell stuff ease your mind?

On September 07 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No i don't as i was in a same situation in this game aswell.
However, what you do not do, is to look at someone's vote on you (no matter how retared that is) and decide that guy is scum and the lynch is between you two.

On September 07 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote:
I think that's aimed at rayn, but I can say that the scummy thing about your being behind isn't that you're not caught up, but that you're posting these unsupported reads WHILE being behind. When you pick an opportunistic suspicion in that scenario, it looks like you're being told who to go after in QT and playing towards a scum agenda.

On September 07 2013 02:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's 3 and 4 that I am having issues with. If you were so sure OO would get lynched for that votepost, why even bother nirvana striking? You told me you didn't even consider it regarding austin (before you read the cell stuff)
What's different?

On September 05 2013 21:47 debears wrote:


I have considered it. I don't think I need it to lynch austin. The reason I wanted to use it on geript was the possibility that he could swap votes around again.



and yet again. I haven't read that far yet

On September 07 2013 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

1) No
2) Where do you ever vote for OO?
3) not from town!pov.
4) see (3)
5) yes

On September 07 2013 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why can't yuou get towncredit for telling people to vote for OO normally?

On September 07 2013 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ok right you did say you considered it, bad memory. But notice with austin you said you didn't even need it to lynch austin, did you feel you needed it to lynch OO?

This post implies no.

On September 07 2013 02:29 debears wrote:


Shiao already voted him. My power makes it a black and white "I want him lynched" rather than some grey of "oh he just hopped on shiao's wagon".

Big difference

On September 03 2013 09:25 ObviousOne wrote:

Holy shit, read through debears, you're the fucking MAN. You're like our little pet baneling! (Or were, at least for today =P)
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 06 2013 10:28 ObviousOne wrote:
Is debears really playing the game while being more than half the game behind in reading the thread? What the fuck?!

On September 02 2013 05:04 debears wrote:


I'll tell you when I catch back up. Still on page 34. Fun times

On September 07 2013 02:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
What townie jumps on a wagon because he thinks the wagon is on scum, and then thinks "fuck it looks like I'm bussing and I won't get any credit for lynching scum!"

Help me understand debears

On September 07 2013 02:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
Wow. Is it possible you're actually both scum? I don't understand why you care so much for appearances.
The OO lynch was clearly possible, and the reason you nirvana striked was so that you took the credit instead of shiaopi and no one would call you out for bussing?

On September 07 2013 02:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
Wow. Is it possible you're actually both scum? I don't understand why you care so much for appearances.
The OO lynch was clearly possible, and the reason you nirvana striked was so that you took the credit instead of shiaopi and no one would call you out for bussing?

On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote:

I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death.

Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long.

On September 07 2013 02:44 Clarity_nl wrote:


So you're really 100% on him flipping scum?



This is a good point.

UGH

On September 07 2013 02:46 Risen wrote:
Ok so if I'm reading this all correctly, debears has lied about his power (it sure as hell wasn't within 12 hours if that's true) and has super shady reasoning behind his use of the power?

I'm going to laugh when they're double scum and OO is lying about his power. He flips red, doesn't have the dayvig, debears gets credit (but as is being shown in thread discussion right now if debears was being truthful about his reasoning for choosing OO there's a fairly large gap). OR OO comes into thread with about 6 hours left and says "I was lying, I didn't expect you guys to lynch me so I claimed dayvig. Debears isn't actually dying. Then shitstorm ensues and someone gets lynched. I would have immediately swapped back to debears had OO claimed this prior to me thinking about the double bus, and I don't think I'm alone. Then, even with OO flip (if he's red) debears still gets cleared somewhat, except we now have some seriously faulty reasoning coming from him. I think it's a double bus, I think debears was instructed in scum QT to use his power so one of them could have a chance for staying in the game longer. I think they fumbled it.

On September 07 2013 02:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
debears, can you explain what happened to your geript read? The start of d2 you're willing to martyr yourself to kill geript, but your vote never ends up on him and instead you voted hassy at some point without reasons.

On September 07 2013 02:50 austinmcc wrote:
No, can we go back to that.

This is your power, right? You have a role PM that says "This is your power."? Like, it has words that will tell you?

On September 07 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Clarity, Risen's point is wrong. Whatever debears' alignment is, it does not make OO scum/town. If we lynch OO "to make sure scum dies" that's retarded. We lynch one of those two. The one who is more likely to flip mafia, regardless of their claimed powers.

On September 07 2013 04:30 Felkyr wrote:
So, you describe your move as desperate? I don't see it like that at all. If you wouldn't have gotten shot, it might have worked perfectly. There is several scum around, they work together. This is a fine piece of cooperation.

On September 07 2013 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is OO not here?

On September 07 2013 04:50 austinmcc wrote:
Aren't you supposed to go "cuz he's scum and hiding"?

On September 07 2013 09:24 Cephiro wrote:
FUCK YES WE'RE STILL IN THIS! ^_^

On September 07 2013 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway I still think we should lynch debears tomorrow. Just throwin that out there.

On September 07 2013 09:29 Risen wrote:
How
Fucking
Good
Am
I

On September 07 2013 08:42 Crossfire99 wrote:


Austinmcc (0): debears
Coagulation (0): AxleGreaser
Felkyr (0): Risen

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ObviousOne (7): ShiaoPi, debears, AxleGreaser, Risen, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi, austinmcc, Stutters695, cakepie
debears (6): ObviousOne, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, Felkyr, Clarity_nl, ShiaoPi

On September 08 2013 07:42 cakepie wrote:


5 scum + a 3p all on a wagon? Can't be that easy can it?

On September 08 2013 14:34 Risen wrote:
because if scum wastes kp on me and you guys win before I do I still lose

On September 11 2013 12:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Big shoutout to debears for being the best scumhunter despite not reading the game. Basically

On September 11 2013 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hard to win when 12/31 players are anti-town.
wp Clarity, austin and CC.

On September 08 2013 07:18 debears wrote:
You all should lynch into the following red highlighted names. I'm putting my trust in all of you townspeople!



Btw Austin I have an idea of who would be in your sleeper cell. You have only 3 atm correct (including yourself)?

On September 12 2013 02:59 Clarity_nl wrote:


Yeah I meant screwed in my future scum games, not my town games