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-------- First I'd like to chip in on Vayne's roleclaim (a slightly stale subject, I know) + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 02:00 VayneAuthority wrote: If I ever get nightkilled, +2 fate is added to the game and I can kill 2 people after 2 more nights have passed. Obviously not going to get nightkilled at this rate but as you see I needed to die early so I needed to be a threat. enjoy, im basically a VT now thanks to scum or shitty townies My gut feeling is that he did indeed botch his early play, so looks to be a genuine rageclaim to me (but not necessarily alignment indicative) ----------- Also + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 13:05 alakaslam wrote: Here is what I know so far. Blazinghand, Marvellosity, Cheesecake, Cakepie, other such vets: I am affected by a bais shown in the image below. Correct or incorrect, it is how I see this. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2RWzP1d.png) Now, I am thus unable to read into these individuals day 1. However I will try. Photo is slightly misleading: All vets are null reads. The scum are in the pink. I honestly don't know yet, if I ever will. This guy is a buffoon. (But you all know that already, right?) Trolling or not, he is failing bloody hard. I'm a vet? Hah! And Marv isn't even in this game. Like srsly wtf. S Besides, "herp derp I have no idea how to read these guys, I don't think I'll be able to figure it out" and a pointless diagram make for a big-looking, contentless post. Not unlike many of his posts, really. IDGAF what he's trying to breadcrumb or hint in his wall of spam -- if you're town, fucking COMMUNICATe rather than try to be obtuse. If he's town, he's completely useless and will be a liability at LYLO. If he's scum, we should lynch him anyway. Either way, I want him out of the game sooner rather than later. ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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On August 31 2013 18:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Sounds like the definition of a vig shot? I'd shoot if I could, but I can't, so I use my vote to add emphasis to what I think. -- On August 31 2013 18:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, do you think he has a good chance of flipping red or do you just not want him in the game? The latter for now, even if I may not get what I want. He is an impediment to my game as I rely on communication and reasoning, and people being comprehensible. I am not completely sold on the lynch du jour, so while I examine and weigh other possibilities, I intended for my vote to make a statement, even if it is not necessarily a viable lynch at this point. -- On August 31 2013 18:50 Blazinghand wrote: make first contribution only a few hours before D1 deadline IDGAF what you think about the timing, I play this game as my RL schedule allows, and I don't believe I'm breaking any rules. | ||
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On August 31 2013 19:13 AxleGreaser wrote: @Cakepie. Q to Cakepie. Given two people (Alak + 1 other) how would you decide which is best to lynch and which is best to vig shoot. Why for you is alak the one to lynch? If he is a buffoon... how good would you think his scum game is...? To your first point: Seeing as geript is the wagon du jour, I'd lynch Alak and let a vig take care of geript, given his lynchproof claim I'd like for the lynch to do something guaranteed useful rather than be possibly wasted. To your second point: I don't need to think -- see Newbie XLVI | ||
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On August 31 2013 19:29 Clarity_nl wrote: @cakepie I don't think your timing is his problem, I think it's the content of your post. You said you think he's a good lynch. Now you're saying you voted him to add emphasis to what you think..... Could you add some thoughts on some players please, preferably some that you consider readable? Try to remember that the context is: I've just finished a once over of the whole thread, so it's pretty much a first impressions post. I am working through somc filters, will get to that in a bit, certainly. I don't remember saying that Alak is a "good" lynch. I only illustrated how useless I think he has been, in particular reacting to his recent post which I find to be extremely absurd (also because it caught my attention for actually mentioning me) On August 31 2013 19:29 AxleGreaser wrote: people not posting is even more of an impediment to mine. (and i think you had run out of people not posting to prod.) I've stated my reasons, any further discussion thereof is basically WIFOM so let's leave at that. | ||
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On August 31 2013 19:45 Clarity_nl wrote: When someone votes someone I assume that they want that person lynched. What other conclusion can I draw? If it's a pressure vote then you're still supposed to give off the impression that you want him lynched or it doesn't actually pressure. I would be totes happy to lynch him in the absence of better candidates. | ||
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On August 31 2013 19:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Anyway, how about some thoughts on Oats? Three salient points in Oat's filter 1. "kita scum" early on On August 30 2013 23:20 Oatsmaster wrote:it wasnt a policy vote for dandel cause hes trolling, like that means when Dandel stops he would unvote. I dont see any of that. Im not taking it as a policy lynch, im taking it as intent to kill Dandel specifically because of his play. I can't speak to the policy vote bit since that's basically the stance I take with Alakaslam's playstyle. Voting some "low hanging fruit" as Oats perceives it, early in the game, is pretty much a null for me, so I don't concur with Oat's scumread on kita for that. How wagons gain traction, and approach critical mass is more interesting I think in terms of trying to infer intent behind voting patterns. In any case, I wouldn't put too much weight on this part of the filter in light of Dandel's temporary (?) shenaniganry and Kita subsequently unvoting. 2. felkyr Oats is going after felkyr real hard; I don't really agree with that. I'm more inclined to give felkyr a bit more time and see what happens, since I've been there, obsessing too much about setup as a complete noob townie. I can see how a newbie could behave like that both as town and scum, so it's null and I would rather wait and see a bit more rather than lynch into him so hardcore from the get-go. If he's noob scum, it would benefit us if he is given more opportunities to slip up, plus we'll have more interactions to look at if and when he flips. 3. "extremely strong town read on Dandel" I don't comprehend this one; some kind of mafia-fu I don't understand? This is really wierd for me. Oats you want to explain this to me perhaps? | ||
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On August 31 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Cakepie are you scum? Last I checked, green is town-aligned, so nope. On August 31 2013 21:47 Oatsmaster wrote: You just posted a whole bunch about how you think my reads are bad and commenting on those reads but you didnt say ANYTHING about my alignment at all. I don't think your reads necessarily make you scummy, I just disagree is all. I like that you are challenging the veracity of the BM claims from Onegu and Stutters, though. | ||
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On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake. brb, taking another look | ||
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On August 31 2013 21:53 cakepie wrote: Last I checked, green is town-aligned, so nope. I don't think your reads necessarily make you scummy, I just disagree is all. I like that you are challenging the veracity of the BM claims from Onegu and Stutters, though. EBWOP confused Oats for Koshi. | ||
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--- + Show Spoiler + I ain't exactly got spidey senses screaming to me that he is confirmed scum. My read on him (newbie null) sits precariously and could swing to scummy in a real jiffy if, say, he responds poorly or incorrectly under pressure. Actually, that might be worth a shot. Let's see what happens if ##Unvote ##Vote: Felkyr --- On August 31 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I said that the BM claims make them town.... Also, then what is your read on me and why? On August 31 2013 21:58 cakepie wrote: EBWOP confused Oats for Koshi. You're more useful than a sizeable number of players who are either spammy/trolly/useless or like 4 posts and outta here. North of null and worth keeping around. Still, care to enlighten me as to why Dandel is such a strong town read for you? I'm having trouble placing his filter. --- On September 01 2013 00:13 Alakaslam wrote: Hi cakepie You are a honorary Vet now Kthanks Maybe you should, like, check for context before simply gobbling up whatever people say. My play history is really not that hard to look up. Besides, this still doesn't explain your reference to marv, who isn't in the game. Whatever, that's as much cranial capacity I'm willing to spare for you, pretty sure I'm not the only one tuning you out. --- going to catch some sleep now in order to be back before deadline. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam ---- Alright Felkyr here's one for you I don't feel good about Rayn. He hasn't said that much, and most of it is the BM stuff from the beginning. He talked about BM a lot, while he didn't want to talk about BM. He tried to sketch it as a scumteam. Looked like scum who wanted to direct attention to other scum. But now I'm not sure anymore. I don't see the Black Mesa discussion from Rayn as insiduous, can you explain further why he looks like "scum who wanted to direct attention to other scum"? Before Onegu came out with his information about BM, Rayn's stance that BM should be treated as a scum faction is reasonable, no? Plus his disagreement with kitaman revolved around a misunderstanding. Is there anything else that supports your suspicions, perhaps? | ||
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On September 01 2013 01:04 cakepie wrote: Anyone have anything for me before I hop out? apparently not. stepping outta here for now. | ||
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--- Zentor, I see I'm not on your "I just pulled this from the voting summary" lazy list (which you refuse to narrow down). Maybe you missed it but I (briefly) voted Felkyr, it just isn't reflected in the voting thread. You want to add me to that list, or state why not? --- + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 02:44 HiroPro wrote: this is a list! 1. raynpelikoneet 2. Oatsmaster 3. MrZentor 4. cephiro 5. strongandbig 6. Danel Ion 7. Hassybaby 8. red man 9. kitaman27 10. Stutters695 11. WaveofShadow 12. cakepie 13. VayneAuthority 14. mkfuba07 15. Alakaslam 16. austinmcc 17. TheRavensName 18. Clarity_nl 19. Risen 20. Koshi 21. yamato77 22. ShiaoPi 23. Felkyr 24. Onegu 25. randombum 26. VisceraEyes 27. ObviousOne 28. HiroPro 29. geript 30. AxleGreaser 31. Mr. Cheesecake HiroPro you seem to have known something about the importance of the player list positions even before we saw BH's lightning rod ability and Onegu's list bus driver. What's up with that? --- @clarity you're not the only one confuzzled by Dandel + the unsubstantiated town reads ppl have on him. | ||
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On September 02 2013 06:36 WaveofShadow wrote: You point against Zentor stands however---is he scum? That is what I'd like to find out. His logic looks tenuous and I take issue with his omission, which could tell of scum just looking to tar a whole bunch of people with a broad brush (and missing a spot). So besides the already ongoing demands for him to clarify and narrow down, I want to see his reasoning for not having me on the list. And no, this doesn't qualify as a satisfactory response: On September 02 2013 06:36 MrZentor wrote: Na, I like cake. | ||
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On September 02 2013 06:36 WaveofShadow wrote: What do you think of Hiro cakepie? A lot of the general suspicion on him comes from his not-seriously-pursued-tunnel of BH, which is of course valid, but I am more concerned about his opposition (along with Ceph) to Axle's planned power use. Of course, we don't actually know precisely what Axle's power is yet, but I think it is clear that Axle had thought out the alignment possibilities before putting his plan together, so it should be a net information gain if the plan succeeded. Notice how Axle "trusts" clarity+bh+ve in the sense that they will follow the plan, and not "trust" them as clear town reads. I don't like how "Axle don't do it" = pretty much most of Hiro's activity toward end of D1. Also, did he know something about geript that we didn't? 'cause he seemed almost certain about BH would die: On September 01 2013 06:18 HiroPro wrote: I'm rather enjoying watching BH squirm in his last few moments. These things don't look right to me. + Show Spoiler [setup speculation] + I've also alluded to the possibility of space/time mechanics being present in the game earlier when we learned about "time" from VA's roleclaim. At that time it wasn't clear to me what "space" might constitute but now knowing BH and Onegu's roles, in hindsight I suspect Hiro may be pointing to some "space"-related ability in his "list" post. Go ahead and draw your own conclusions. | ||
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How much of this are you responsible for, Onegu? My best guess is you only moved yourself? Also, Hiro seems to have known in advance that something was going to happen around Felkyr. That's in addition to being somehow convinced beforehand that BH was going to die D1 What's your deal, Hiro? ##Vote: HiroPro viva BH, etc ----- On September 02 2013 09:41 AxleGreaser wrote: Day 2: ##vote MrZentor you might want to put that in the vote thread | ||
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Hiro, maybe you don't take me seriously because I'm an easy OMGUS for you to brush off? Or maybe I need to spell everything out because you can't be bothered to check back for other issues raised against you? OMGUS aside, you've chosen to bank a large portion of your defense on the fact that scum would have known what is going to happen with the D1 lynch, and thus wouldn't need to deter AxleGreaser from his plan. But this is a faulty argument. What we have here is role madness, or -- to use your own words -- a "fairly ridiculous themed game", so there is no way for scum to really know ahead of time what would happen in an interaction between the mass vote rig and some other unknown (AG's) power. Among other scenarios, what if BH survives and the vote rigging is revealed? Or the intended vote rig goes awry due to other redirection? Scared scum might worry about losing control over the outcome of the D1 lynch that they thought they had in the bag. As I see it, "BH & VE scum" is not a valid reason. AG has eloquently explained that there are any number of alternative/additional actions that a seriously concerned townie could have done to pursue the matter if they were worried about conferring advantages to hypothetically scum BH and/or VE. On September 02 2013 11:05 HiroPro wrote:the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. That doesn't explain the spacing around Felkyr, who as it turns out was the pivot point of the rotation from Felkyr-Stutters-Onegu into Onegu-Stutters-Felkyr. Coincidence? Yeah right. On September 02 2013 13:46 Onegu wrote: But we talked about it in BM chat and stutters claimed to be able to do something to the person above him in the thread and wanted to be below felkyr. Maybe a scum was in BM qt and decided to not let that happen This provides an interesting avenue for inquiry. The other thing of course, is your persistent tunnel on BH that has no serious follow up. It's been brought up by BH and others so I didn't see a need to mention it again, but apparently I need to be explicit about everything, so here goes. First you finger him for his conduct with cora, followed by random yelling at people to vote him. That's hardly a persuasive way to build a wagon that you are serious about. Then, you call BH's vote on geript "opportunistic": On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote: This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment). How about, calling geript's bluff? He's been known to claim ridiculous things before. Scummy play + ludicrous claim -> why not test that claim? "opportunistic" is pretty weak sauce. Subsequently you stick to "BH scum" but don't actually try to persuade anyone about your case on him -- even before it is clear that we'd get a geript majority and his redirect on BH. (See also, "BH scum, AG don't do it" without any effort to follow up) You know what's worse than not explicitly giving a stance? Pretending to have a stance. | ||
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The last point above is no longer true, the stray extra mention no longer exists. Can a host please confirm that the additional mention was in error and has thus been rectified? ----- Viscera Eyes has died! This is in black because? a) complete no flip (no role, no alignment, black because default font color) b) no roleflip only, known to be 3p and/or BM alignment c) won't tell ya TIA | ||
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On September 02 2013 17:33 Koshi wrote: THERE IS A SUPERRETARDED ITEM CALLED “THE D6”. It was very briefly in my fucking possession. I gave away this “The D6” item due to my “Give item” action. So I know 1 out of 2 people should have it. But I know what it is: It shuffles all the items between people holding items. It says it has a 2 turn cooldown, (but it is a 1 turn cooldown actually) because it can be used again on n3. The item I gave to VA was so perfect for VA. Now some evul scummer might have it ;.; Fucking totally random item this "The D6". I haven't read the rest of the thread. On September 01 2013 05:54 Alakaslam wrote: If Blazinghand dies, say goodbye to items you have & you get fresh new ones. A.K.A. I messes up your plans regarding items. Because is only threat I can make. Well and other stuff but I can't really control that. brb banging head on wall | ||
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Also Onegu can you give us the timestamp of the discussion between you and stutters in the BM QT? | ||
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On September 03 2013 17:02 Hassybaby wrote: Oh not again....why do I kill people when I'm trying to protect them.... you want to tell us more about your d20 maybe? | ||
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I don't have good meta on him, but my gut feel is this is not simply he mad at things not going well -- seasoned players don't normally react like this. So, I see hardly any good reason for deliberate play like this for any reason, except as a joker (trying to get lynched) or as part of a scum gambit. Since it's rather unlikely that 3P can pull off all this crap by himself, I'm leaning toward the latter. Also recall that the possibility has been raised before that he might not even be the one truly responsible for the voterigging and/or the double lynch. Also, thinking about the double plurality lynch, I'm not sure it is entirely a good thing for town, because it is easy for town to mislynch (up to twice!) since there is no requirement for a majority. In the absence of information from D1, this is a bit scary. If I put my scum thinking hat on, it's really not a bad deal, gambling on possibly sacrificing one team member to help conceal other scumbuddies who hold powers, plus completely mess with the thread and voting patterns for two day phases. By screwing with the D1 lynch, scum sought to limit useful information. By making D2 double plurality lynch, scum put us in a lousy position -- even if geript takes a bunch of heat and we agree to lynch him, that would require us to commit a certain number of votes on him, and from there the danger of mislynching with the second noose is still high if we don't consolidate correctly. Hence he isn't even trolling, he is pretty much taunting when he states things like the D1 votes don't matter, or challenges us to lynch him with the double lynch. Does this sound reasonable or am I just being absurd and paranoid? Notwithstanding geript, do people agree that we need to be especially careful with the double lynch? | ||
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On September 03 2013 19:01 AxleGreaser wrote: perhaps by giving geript that kind of control and Alak a randomiser button marked "Dont press this button" then we are getting the RNG game we or someone(Dandel loves RNG IIRC) deserves? maybe we are playing aperture and got what we each signed up for. lol thanks that helped me lighten up a bit. More seriously do you agree that double lynch is actually a tricky situation? At the very least, this is not the time to be toying around with a repeat attempt at your shenanigans (which you suggested at some point earlier D2) -- if it is hard enough to find two clear consensus wagons, we might really need all the votes we can get where they matter -- lynching people rather than toying with powers. It certainly wouldn't be funny if you ended up getting mislynched (though that's rather unlikely). The downside is we might not get another chance to try your plan if we lose you tonight. About Alakaslam, on D1 clearly showed signs of being item/power drunk, I just wish we'd paid more attention -- he doesn't help by being so unintelligible, but he did state his intentions and the trigger condition beforehand. Bloody stupid selfish attention-seeking plan or scummy act? He seems repentant, at least, with a coherent (if incredibly stupid) story, whereas geript still doesn't give a shit. If I had to choose between Alakaslam and geript, Imma lynch into geript first. --- On September 03 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote: I still don't understand this chronosphere thing he keeps talking about. It seems to be charging... On September 03 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote: came back not reading much not caring rather all giddy with "I must follow through on my promise" and making up C&C RA fake flavor & stuff because I always thought the chronosphere story was awesome if the actual building/power in game basically sucked. Basically, chronosphere is all bollocks from slam, if I understand correctly. | ||
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On September 03 2013 23:41 Onegu wrote: Nope not allowed to give timestamps or quotes. You will have to trust me. Can you say if this discussion happened before or after Hiro's list post? ( August 31 2013 02:44 KST - about 18h into the game) | ||
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anyhow we have like 9 hours; as various other players have been exhorting, time to consolidate. I can vote geript. On D1 I wasn't sure about calling bluff on his "unlynchable" claim; it was wanting to help support axlegreaser's plan that tipped the scales for me. But his behavior D2 leaves no doubt that he doesn't give a shit about being pro-town. In contrast I'm less worried about alakascum, he's "less harmful" and can't repeat his item shuffle shenanigans; we can get him later if need be, although he's an alright second lynch if there's no consensus otherwise. Waiting to see what hosts say about the role/action interaction vis kita/hassy. | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:42 VayneAuthority wrote: time to activate the minor other ability I have ##But the future refused to change: Hassybaby Please explain wtf you're up to | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:47 Cephiro wrote: Fuck -_- I'm not sure whether to vote for slam or geript. Geript has actually tried to be useful today. geript can't be saved unless like two people move off him. I think your choice is really between slam/hassy for second noose | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote: And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0 It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm. ^ This. I just finished double checking why we didn't lynch geript + alakaslam like I was expecting, took me a while to put two and two together. Vayne is the fate change a side effect of your power use or should we look to other explanations? | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:52 Risen wrote: Vayne why did you send in the action to change fate? He did it to keep Hassy's ghost around. Ironically, Hassy wouldn't have died if he didn't do that. ... yeah. | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:54 Clarity_nl wrote: No way scum would know this though. 100% town move from vayne. I know, I'm not calling Vayne scum for it, it's just so ironic. =/ | ||
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On September 01 2013 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey pokemon dude! Do not fight! There is no reason to if you are town! You know what i mean. scum have hard time winning if you do not fight. You can also prove you are town by doing so. If you don't, i'll hunt you down and kill you! On September 04 2013 09:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: The other Pokemon dude is scum! If anyone ever claims/rolecops/gets any info about a pokemon dude who is not me they are scum! So you are saying that you are a town pokemon trainer and despite not wanting to pokemon battle there is another pokemon trainer who has been picking fights with you despite your protestations that you should not be fighting if you're both town. Do I understand you correctly? | ||
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On September 05 2013 12:16 Stutters695 wrote: 2. There is a sleeper cell in this game. He added me night 1 and asked me to shoot "bunny". I assumed that Austin was the sleeper after that picture and attempted to shoot Ala. Either he was proted or Austin is not the 3p. On September 02 2013 18:33 Alakaslam wrote: Oh hey who had the broken bell thing, the shattered bell before me? You know how d6 was town. Only way we all get to use it? On September 03 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: oh yeah I had the shattered bell which makes you vet for a cycle and you cant use it more than once. 4 charges and I didnt use it. On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote: The Shattered Bell was rung | ||
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On September 05 2013 13:39 AxleGreaser wrote: do you have point? I'm mostly incredibly befuddled by why anyone would try to shoot alakaslam knowing the item he has. On September 05 2013 13:48 AxleGreaser wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13165137 WAT? yeah seriously hilarious... I think more like http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210416 because there is apparently a leader | ||
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Aside: checked http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19676725 looks correct to me; also the player list has been shuffled around so much I don't even know where to begin with changelist. | ||
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On September 05 2013 14:06 AxleGreaser wrote: So Stutters has claimed scum? Sleeper Agent Hang on, I don't know if we should jump to that conclusion so quickly? IIRC Stutters claimed town in black mesa before. Thing is, just as Koshi's role PM confirms that Black Mesa is not scum faction (like previous Aperture game) but possibly mixed alignment. We can't necessarily conclude from past sleeper cell games that sleeper agent = scum. Also On September 05 2013 15:35 Stutters695 wrote: Don't be retarded. There was another game with a 3p sleeper I got added to(can't remember which one, phone posting and almost bed time so you'd have to check, but it works almost or identically to that(can't remember if it changed my win con, this one doesn't). Thankfully a post in other-thread-that-I-can't-quote helpfully names the game in question: In Personality 2 Mafia Acrofales (Mafia) recruited Ver+austinmcc+stutters695 into a fake, mixed alignment sleeper cell N1 and they shot Foolishness N2. We could be looking at a similar thing here. This sleeper cell could be scum, or mixed, or even town for all we know. So I don't think this claim from stutters is not necessarily alignment indicative. Heck, he's being very open about it, too, in addition to the black mesa stuff we had before. | ||
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On September 05 2013 16:58 AxleGreaser wrote: So might I suggest that tonight you (voting) guys shoot anyone you like who doesn't post enough today... You should be spoiled for choice. (alaks vet status will probably apply tonight as well.) Alakaslam won't be able to vet again because On September 03 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: oh yeah I had the shattered bell which makes you vet for a cycle and you cant use it more than once. 4 charges and I didnt use it. | ||
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- onegu watcher claim feels legit. - it is not obvious to me from OP how item mechanics will work in event of modkill? Slam used shattered bell, couldn't use & give away at the same time. - scum not shutting down the flow of info from BM is increasing the likelihood they'd use it to mix in misinformation - austin just saying "There are reasons." isn't going to cut it. While this sc business is pretty null for me now, if you & crony/ies are going to operate blatantly in the open, you can't seriously expect to get away without scrutiny from the rest of us -- you'd better have really good reasons for your target(s). - haven't had a chance to look more closely at this OO vs debears thing and think it through, sorry. - Cheesecake's silence is deafening. Now is the time when he needs to speak up, yet nothing from him since the watcher reveal. He'd better have a believable claim as to what he was up to last night. | ||
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Looking at the duel, trying to fathom the motivation behind each action but I might just be WIFOMing myself into utter confusion with that. Gah. Risen not helping with the power play speculations. So... I don't like the circumstances under which debears initiated the duel. It kills the variety of things we could be looking at and discussing -- considering that the free flip of alakaslam allowed us to refocus our attention away from slam onto other things. I mean, as town you'd have to be bloody sure you're picking your fight with scum, and yet debears On September 06 2013 11:18 debears wrote: Lynching for "functionality" and not scum Whatever the heck "functionality" means. This looked out of place to me. On September 07 2013 02:24 debears wrote: And I did the nirvana strike because 1) I'm certain that OO is scum 2) I want to get him lynched for towncred in a duel, seeing as the credit would be mine for his lynch 3) I want my arguments to be at the forefront, which they wouldn't necessarily be if everyone had spread out focus. The nirvana strike makes it impossible to spread out focus and puts us at the forefront (1) is apparently a contradition to earlier "not scum", which also irritates me. I.e. even without stepping into the realm of some possible scum power play from either or both of them, debears looks scummy for the above. Now lemme look at/think over the speculative stuff esp in the past couple pages | ||
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On September 07 2013 06:54 AxleGreaser wrote: Lynch him.... (OO) and when the day vig doesn't happen Lynch Debears tomorrow. The problem with this is that OO's delayed dayvig will kick in at D4 flip if I understand things correctly. Do we seriously wait until D5 to lynch debears? Can we actually last until then? | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:02 cakepie wrote: The problem with this is that OO's delayed dayvig will kick in at D4 flip if I understand things correctly. Do we seriously wait until D5 to lynch debears? Can we actually last until then? ebwop by which I mean together with the D4 lynch flip | ||
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debears {town, scum} x oo {town true dayvig, scum true dayvig, scum fake dayvig} (A) if debears scum, OO scum true dayvig, the dayvig play is completely unnecessary. Either one can reap towncred by the other getting lynched. in fact in a premeditated play, OO could use the dayvig in "better" way to gain even morer towncred if debears lynched. Not terribly plausible. (B) if debears scum, OO scum fake dayvig, this is ridiculously risky and banks heavily on debears getting lynched so that OO gets props for it while also disguising the fake dayvig. slight problem here is that the only way to see OO's poor choice of dayvig shot as a town move is if it were an emotional response. With scum being pretty ahead this game, I don't see why scum would want to make a risky move like this. (C) if debears scum, OO town true dayvig, I can see OO trying to think about things but buckling under pressure from Risen to shoot debears (remember Risen was pushing OO but under incorrect understanding of how the dayvig works) (D) if debears town, OO scum true dayvig... see (A) (E) if debears town, OO scum fake dayvig... that's would be a really really strange thing for OO to do. Other options might be unlikely; this one is nearly unthinkable. (F) if both town: we've fucked ourselves over yo (C) is really the only reason why I'm not all gogogo on voting OO right now. | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:59 cakepie wrote: (A) if debears scum, OO scum true dayvig, the dayvig play is completely unnecessary. Either one can reap towncred by the other getting lynched. in fact in a premeditated play, OO could use the dayvig in "better" way to gain even morer towncred if debears lynched. Not terribly plausible. (B) if debears scum, OO scum fake dayvig, this is ridiculously risky and banks heavily on debears getting lynched so that OO gets props for it while also disguising the fake dayvig. slight problem here is that the only way to see OO's poor choice of dayvig shot as a town move is if it were an emotional response. With scum being pretty ahead this game, I don't see why scum would want to make a risky move like this. (C) if debears scum, OO town true dayvig, I can see OO trying to think about things but buckling under pressure from Risen to shoot debears (remember Risen was pushing OO but under incorrect understanding of how the dayvig works) (D) if debears town, OO scum true dayvig... see (A) (E) if debears town, OO scum fake dayvig... that's would be a really really strange thing for OO to do. Other options might be unlikely; this one is nearly unthinkable. (F) if both town: we've fucked ourselves over yo (C) is really the only reason why I'm not all gogogo on voting OO right now. (E) as indicated above is pretty damn nuts. I think OO was holding up pretty well talking to others ahead of his shooting so I'm having a hard time seeing why town OO couldn't try harder to clarify things properly instead of buckling and going for the shot so I hope I'm correct by discounting (C) Leaning (A) or (B) and with scumteam screwed up. Debears still looks scummy regardless so I'm not inclined toward (D), but we'll see about that after we get this one right. Pls not (F) pls. In which case we were already doomed either way. Dammit this is hard. Please let this be correct! Vote OO | ||
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On September 08 2013 03:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I'M GONNA MAKE YOU SQUEAL LIKE A PIGGIE!! I don't know if or how these codewords are inspired by something or not but MAN IS THAT ONE RATHER APPROPRIATE CODEWORD FOR HIS ACTIVITY/USEFULNESS haha I am also tickled to be crossfire because =cohost lol </silliness> On September 08 2013 04:34 Cephiro wrote: Can someone update me on this cell thing and whether it relates to any alignment or not as for some reason I do not recall anything of this. See this and then P147 in N2, and then P150-P151 should get you caught up with the basics of what happened here while you were in closed casket I think wrt alignment i believe stutters said something about there being no wincon change when he got recruited. | ||
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On September 08 2013 07:18 debears wrote: You all should lynch into the following red highlighted names. I'm putting my trust in all of you townspeople! 5 scum + a 3p all on a wagon? Can't be that easy can it? | ||
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On September 08 2013 09:27 Cephiro wrote: I vig shot Coagulation. Cool, do you take responsibility for Oats or Vayne as well? | ||
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As far as I can remember we've seen arguments like these brought up so far: a) rayn might be scum making false town claim while setting up to kill the actual townie pokemon character b) rayn is actually pokemon battling vs the hosts I don't see enough information to draw firm conclusions yet. (a) may be true or false. (b) could be also be true, or false, or heck, what about two town pokemon trainers, because who knows what Greymist is capable of doing to mess with us. One thing is clear to me is that if rayn is town, there is entirely the possibility that he got so emotionally invested in his pokemon battles and the death of pikachu that he's fallen into this tunnel of his pokemon world foe even before knowing who it might be or considering the full range of possibilities. rayn, if you're town, take a moment and cool your head. you're setting up to tunnel someone that you haven't even identified yet, with incomplete information. Austin, you somehow survived the night and now we need some answers. You've outed the number of your members. Presumably, you'd have recruited one more, unless you somehow forgot or got blocked or something. It looked like you were looking for a suitable way to utilize what is basically a consensus vig shot at night, which would have been fine with me, but then it turned out last minute that you were trying some kind of shenannies. What are you up to? I'd ask "how are you still alive?" too, but it's clear that scum have 2 NK and decided to prioritize vs Onegu's watcher role and ShiaoPi's mason/vig, especially since you don't seem to be keen to actually shoot. On September 09 2013 05:45 AxleGreaser wrote: @Cakepie I had been hoping to catch up with you too. Sorry to have missed you. Went out for drinks with friends shortly after the flip and hang out till late, spent the earlier part of today rest and recovering. Catch you later, hopefully when you're not completely running on caffeine and little else. (It shows) | ||
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On September 09 2013 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy fuck. If my role PM says there is another Pokemon master who wants to fight with me what the fuck i am supposed to expect? That there are none other? That we are in fact three? I don't have your role PM how the fuck am I supposed to know? You don't explicitly say that your role PM confirms the presence of a player pokemon master. Only thing we know in thread is we see pokemon dying, and what you claim. Can you indeed confirm that there is a player who is a pokemon trainer, or not? On September 09 2013 08:12 Risen wrote: They have 3KP and foolishly shot me, unless some idiot town player wants to claim that? My mistake on 2 mafia KP assumption, had been working under assumption of 6 mafia and missed the fact that you got shot. Now I actually have to wonder why austin is alive, assuming that mafia had 3 KP and shot Risen along with Onegu & Shiao. | ||
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On September 09 2013 09:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Onegu either received 2 kp or scum have an ability that ignores protection, because I was on him last night due to his watcher claim. Since Fate was greater than zero my heal worked but he still died.. Or you got roleblocked using power that scum gained from killing pickachu. Rayn you got anything about pikachu having roleblock notification or not? I'm assuming such powers are not immediate-compulsive since you sounded like you have control over when you use it. So scum could have saved it up for later since they had slam around to do the RB job N2. | ||
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On September 09 2013 09:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf are you doing? I especially told pikachu getting killed gave scum 1-shot mason. oh fuck I am obviously confused and need to take a break. | ||
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On September 09 2013 08:07 cakepie wrote: How can anyone be sure that there are exactly two pokemon characters who are necessarily of opposite alignment and that both are pokemon trainers battling one another throughout the game? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://s22.postimg.org/8slkdj94x/stahp.gif) Stop this silliness. I am professor oak, Pokemon character, but not a pokemon trainer. Do ya'll finally see my point now? Stop voting stutters, it's fucking stupid. Go find your scum pokemon trainer elsewhere. I have limited scope abilities that I sought to use in protective fashion on cheesecake and stutters (+ one other). Stutters read my filter and connected the dots, which is how he knows my identity. Other targets did not, which is disappointing considering you only need to fucking google the flavor text. I thought my other target might be scummy for not having seen my point, but cheesecake didn't either, so *shrug* | ||
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On September 09 2013 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't know that I believe you, honestly. What did he read in your filter that led him to connect the dots? Are you in BM chat? And for that matter, who were/are the other members in there? Have any of them disappeared since we've had multiple deaths aside from Onegu? I still want more from Stutters. Hi, are you a scummer looking to identify BM members so you can off them? BM has been too big of a threat with information being passed around and then getting disclosed to the thread, no? And perhaps scum BM needs to kill all BM before can win? The wagon on Stutters was to get him to out my identity. Nothing else. Don't make some lame excuse to continue voting stutters. Especially when you were simply like On September 09 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I'll change my vote considering Rayn being scum kind of hinges on this to some degree. Also I'll ask again, what are we doing about VE? Free pass 'till endgame? Or what? ##Unvote ##Vote: Stutters Your focus before this was on "rayn can't be town and still alive" and "what shall we do with the known 3p?". Not "let's make stutters talk about BM" | ||
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On September 03 2013 20:20 cakepie wrote: this is not the time to be toying around ... On September 06 2013 17:14 cakepie wrote: - Cheesecake's silence is deafening. Now is the time when he needs to speak up, yet nothing from him since the watcher reveal. He'd better have a believable claim as to what he was up to last night. See also On September 09 2013 09:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: And no, nothing else noteworthy happened that night. OH WAIT. I got this thing that said "There's a time and place for everything, but not now" Crossfire didn't message it to me until really late in the day, however. Also, just to dot i's and cross t's: Crossfire can you confirm delay in delivering flavor to cheescake? and wtf debears? | ||
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On September 09 2013 11:41 Crossfire99 wrote: I can neither confirm nor deny anything. I see I have a lot to learn about hosting. Thanks for prompt response! On September 09 2013 13:01 Felkyr wrote: I agree that Stutters should finally come totally clear with all the BM stuff. Onegu and Stutters claimed BM/town in the beginning of the game, with the 'promise' we would hear about it. But it has been clear that several stuff has happened there which we never heard about, which is fishy. Oh really, so what BM stuff do you know about that I don't? ----- On September 09 2013 13:01 Felkyr wrote: why say the other dude is (way) more townie due to a role name That's not even close to what he said. Try again. ----- On September 09 2013 13:01 Felkyr wrote: Hmm, I always thought Rayn rather clear on this point (although other things about his role are more obscure), and Cakepie seemed to be on the same track too. No, look carefully. While everyone else used the terms "pokemon (characters/masters/trainers)" interchangeably to discuss the situation, I was careful to talk about "pokemon trainer" specifically to distinguish that from my role. I cannot be sure if there are two pokemon trainers or not, as rayn may or may not be honest. But rayn is clearly pokemon related in some way, and me makes two. Try putting yourself in my shoes, with everyone talking about hunting for any arbitrary second pokemon character. My calculus looks like: 1. I coulda got killed for simply being a pokemon dude; 2. claiming role too early = bad; 3. but people need to know that their premise is incorrect. (3) just recently outweighed (1) and (2), -- pokemon wasn't really a very big deal before, so I could wait, but that has now changed. ----- On September 09 2013 13:01 Felkyr wrote: Stutters revealing the so called other pokemon trainer in that way makes me believe he and Rayn are not both scum (or it would be some scum powerplay?). Then Cakepie comes in to 'save' Stutters. Cakepie, why are you defending Stutters like this? This was not about defending stutters. It is about stopping misinformation, and halting a meaningless wagon, because there are better things to do and talk about. There was so much better discussion going on before everyone seemed to get sucked into this pointless thing, which wasn't even based on the correct premise. Everyone was just looking for two pokemon characters because to them obviously two guys fighting it out, right? If it's a binary choice then we must vote stutters and make him squeal so that we can lynch into the two candidates, right? Wrong. Pokemon consuming the entire discussion, and lynching between Rayn and myself just because pokemon came to the fore would be a terrible idea. Looking into yesterday's lynch patterns and such is more likely to be productive. But only I had that information, and it needed to be out there, preferably now rather than later, so that people can digest this, judge it, and work with it. I can't wait for stutters to reveal, because that might be too late, or I may not be around at that time -- I know I will be fairly busy at work Monday, and if I somehow come under fire close to deadline, I won't be able to defend myself adequately or make long arguments about my role. You'll see that I tried to sound cheesecake out to see if he just forgot about N2 (or was hiding something maybe), because he didn't say anything about it I thought perhaps I might have gotten blocked (which was really odd scenario because why the fuck would someone do that unless I hit scum N1 and they figured me out). So in the midst of all this I fucked up, alright? I know I haven't been playing the best this game, and fucking up stuff does not help. I can't promise my availability tomorrow (RL) so the towniest thing I can do is offer this information right now so that we all know. That way we can talk about it while I am available, and if people want to vote me I can defend. Whether I do get mislynched or not, I can contribute information. If I let the "lynch one pokemon guy or the other" posse go unchecked and shit hits the fan close to deadline while I am at work in a meeting and unable to contribute, that's bad for town. Although that seems to have killed all conversation instead. *shrug* Is stutters town? I think so, but I am not sure. Onegu was the townier of the two BM dudes that claimed here, but stutters seems okay. Stutters also outed the sleeper cell, although we'll have to see what the deal with that really is. I don't think that stutters & austin are both scum -- maybe one, or neither -- the bunny pics don't make sense otherwise -- two scum don't need to do it to communicate, and I don't see them going through all that trouble to make shit up about some fake sleeper cell ala personality 2. On September 09 2013 13:01 Felkyr wrote: I'm waiting on Austin's answers/explanations for his sleeper cell actions. I am also waiting on austin, because he seems to be doing alignment testing or such shenanies with stutters and his other cronies. Whatup axle, I think you had questions for me but maybe you want to catch up first before talking to me cuz shit kinda hit the fan. I'll be around for a bit more before going to bed. | ||
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On September 09 2013 14:52 AxleGreaser wrote: Why did you ask this question about those two players? Because confirming plausible crumb On September 04 2013 11:26 Cephiro wrote: Vigilantes, target these tonight: Oatsmaster VayneAuthority raynpelikoneet Scum will have a hard choice to make tonight, if they'll try to kill me or not. They know I'm onto them and will pressure them hard, but killing me will make the situation look even worse for them, as they've all tried blatant OMGUS on me. Play smart fellow townies, I have trust in thee. | ||
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On September 09 2013 14:58 AxleGreaser wrote: Or even Where you said it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19698472 I don't understand what you mean? | ||
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On September 09 2013 15:11 AxleGreaser wrote: Do you have any hints where to start understand this pokemon stuff. Where did Professor Oak come up? It's mostly flavor so don't worry too much about the fact that you don't know about pokemon or whatevs. I mean, I only know the basics myself but it's enough. Basically, it's a video game in which pokemon masters/trainers have these little critters and they do battle. + Show Spoiler [brief rundown for the pokemon-illterate] + So after N1, Pikachu died. Rayn claim: He is a town pokemon master, and that pikachu was his pokemon, he'd just lost a fight. Because the death of pikachu gives powers to scum, Rayn does not want to have pokemon fights. See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19650556 There is a bit of talk about it and rayn chases after a couple people who seem interested about the pokemon stuff but it doesn't really go anywhere. At some point, it is also revealed/claimed that by killing rayn's pikachu, scum gained a one-time mason power (yes you other guys I am not messing this up this time!) See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19684780 The possibility is raised that there are two pokemon trainer roles in this game, fighting with one another. Rayn claims to be the townie character, the protagonist of the games, named Red [I know, stupid Japanese video game character names, and the color doesn't match the word, but deal with it.] Therefore any other person who shows up with a pokemon-related role is scumscumscum. But this is not completely correct. (see below). Then N3 another pokemon dies. Rayn claims this was his victory and it has conferred him a one-time mason ability as well. The rest is basically p192 up until present. Professor Oak: that's me. My role is a character from the pokemon franchise, but I am not a pokemon trainer, I am not involved in any pokemon battles, and I am town. Therefore, I have been wary about all this talk that once two pokemon-related roles are revealed, we should lynch into them, i.e. Rayn vs someone else. Obviously, I don't want to die to this incorrect premise, and it is not beneficial to reveal my role to scum too early, so I've been adopting a wait-and-see approach as long as it does not affect the town scumhunt. (In the sense that town is working on an incorrect premise, because if rayn is telling the truth, then there is a third player in this game (other than Rayn and myself) who has a pokemon-related role, and that's the scum we want to kill.) Why shit blew up? Or tl;dr from P192 to present
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On September 09 2013 18:41 Clarity_nl wrote: So it comes down to. You did stuff to stutters (which you did to me n1, so I believe you), stutters realizes it's pokemon flavor... So stutters immediately comes to the conclusions that you're the other trainer rayn is talking about and decides to NOT reveal you and blow up the thread instead? Well that was great. I don't presume to know what stutters thinks, and I might even be wrong about him thinking it's me, but with pokemon shitting up the thread I had to dispel the incorrect assumption that so many people were starting to work off. Plus, I don't want stutters naming me vs rayn as the two pokemon characters while I'm not around to do damage control. You got anything to ask or bounce off me before I call it a night? | ||
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On September 09 2013 19:04 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't recall you mentioning randombum at any point even though he's been up for lynch twice now. What do you think of his lynch? I see you've been after his neck since like D2. I don't really think his shift from slam & hassy over to risen is as scummy as you seem to think. Closed casket is...weird (more below)..., so we go straight to the huge post at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19703910 in which key points are
You've characterized the above as a conveniently "timely rayn scumread". But picking rayn first checks out, and if you look closely theres a couple valid points before it starts sounding like a stretch. Could be a spot of OMGUS going on. This also has a solid dose of "omg why are these people voting me for no reason" so there is a pattern to the behavior. You say randombum's been up for lynch twice, but I don't if closed casket was actually a serious attempt to lynch ranbombum, because it was all like "scummy lurker yo lynch him" and then folks sheeped on and then people chickened out because of noflip or whatever. Like, the watcher reveal got a couple votes onto cheescake, and then herpderp: while we were agonizing over OO vs debears what was that thread doing? Pretty much spectating and backseat driving. Cheesecake finally shows up to talk about his n2, proposes nolynch, people jump off his wagon, there's a renewed push for randombum, and then nolynch anyway... if I were randombum I'd be pretty paranoid about that too, which could explain the OMGUS behavior. And that's basically the extent of the substantial stuff. Does all this make randombum scum? Possibly, but I'm not super convinced. Fairly inactive and not very useful, yes, but I don't think I'm qualified to judge on that. Not bad as a vig shot, quite like Coag. Lynch? Uncertain. | ||
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On September 09 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote: As for scumhunting: ##Vote: raynpelikoneet If he was town he wouldn't be alive right now. He just wouldn't. He only sort of started playing the game a little while in; before that point he was solely focused on his role (and still is, somewhat). I want to offer some insight into why not. Even before rayn claimed he could not be NK'd unless all his pokemons were dead, it's viable to keep him alive for - try to farm him, kill his pokemon for powers - wifom value - thread chaos due to pokemon - set up mislynch of other pokemon characters (this one's a stretch and just me being paranoid) As long as rayn didn't pose a threat, that's an acceptable risk to take as scum, especially with that pokemon tunnel mode enabled. Sure being too obsessed about the pokemon isn't terribly helpful to the rest of us, but it's plausible for a player to become too invested into the pokemon trainer role. I mean, there was yugioh or something like that in another game before and I recall that was pretty tough to play, who's to say what rayn might be dealing with? I should reveal the context for this: On September 07 2013 12:12 cakepie wrote: Food for thought: we had a mortician. I was wondering: + Show Spoiler [speculation] + What was cheescake up to N2? Does alakascum necessarily entail cheesecake must be town? Are there any circumstances in which more than one scum visit a target? Personality 2 (looked at the spreadsheet due to the sleeper cell business in that game that HiroPro helpfully mentioned) had a death framer role. Could Kita's mortician-type role have been more than just tailored for VE? Keep in mind this was before I was able to catch up with cheescake again about N2. Just putting it out there in case anyone wonders what I was getting up to. | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Cakepie I'm curious. First of, did you think the randombum was serious at the time and you realized it wasn't when people started talking about nolynching, or did you always think it wasn't serious? Secondly, is this the first time you've read up on randombum, seeing as you said you wanted to get it right and you took your time? 1. I assume you mean "the randombum wagon" -- I didn't think it was very serious at all. Cheesecake was the only one to have an actual case. No one tried to sell any reasoning to anyone else. I think maybe only Hiro actually fingered randombum in this thread before they went over to casket? 2. Yes, randombum really only popped onto my radar around when the pokemon stuff blew up. On September 09 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Also, since you don't seem confident in a randombum lynch, who would you lynch instead, and why haven't you pushed the lynch of that person yet? I've been warming up to the idea of WoS, because of some of the things Axle already brought up, the MasterYi hunting, and you can see I really didn't like this most recent bit of behavior. I don't see BM hunting as a town move. But uh looks like a lot of ninja going on here. I've been waiting to hear from stutters or austin (holds some important cards, conspicuously still absent after 38+ hours...) Let me read this new stuff and see if I need to rethink anything. | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:20 Stutters695 wrote: two conditional OTU checks sorry, what's "OTU"? | ||
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so, arbitrary player rather than list position based is what you're getting at? | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote: do you believe that despite cakepie having a pokemon role that he's not the other pokemon dude? You seemed pretty certain in your earlier post. On September 09 2013 22:28 Clarity_nl wrote: Stutters did you not expect to die last night, then? I'm having trouble following you. | ||
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On September 08 2013 07:59 austinmcc wrote: Stutters, if your target is shot and I am dead, then ... look at my list. The guy who is SEVEN slots beneath your target is very likely mafia. You will know why based on my flip. | ||
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Anyhow it doesn't look like I'll be getting any answers from him for now. =/ I really need to get out now or I will actually not get any sleep before work... and work today will be busy. >_< | ||
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On September 09 2013 06:40 Stutters695 wrote: So who all is down for lynching Rayn? I know the other pokemon role and I think they're way more likely town. That's some useful ambiguity there. "Pokemon role" but not trainer, yes, but also "Pokemon role" as in, "I know who the player is", or "I know what the role is", or both? Go back to P192. Most everyone is talking about "who" it could be. (Ceph drops the word "name" ambiguously a couple times both as verb and noun, but leave that aside.) Now this: On September 09 2013 13:01 Felkyr wrote: why say the other dude is (way) more townie due to a role name [/QUOTE] When the ongoing thread assumption is due to me saying Stutters was able to figure me by flavor from action, why this? Why work on "role name"? And then: On September 09 2013 14:36 cakepie wrote: Oh really, so what BM stuff do you know about that I don't? Guys, if Stutters town in BM and we lost Onegu and Koshi, what are the odds of more town BM members? Felkyr anyone? | ||
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The SC shot might still work because there isn't a specific person to deliver it, so perhaps it might not be roleblockable... hopefully? back to work I guess. I be back after dinner or something. | ||
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