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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 09:50 GMT
#4744
4, don't think anything got blocked.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 09:56 GMT
#4746
I dunno, I think the by Felkyr post that made everyone unvote was pretty good. It's not stuff of legends or anything but it really did look like a newbie town player, to me anyway (red goggles)
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 10:01 GMT
#4750
Felkyr shitty scum opening:
On August 31 2013 00:24 Felkyr wrote:
Hi guys. Sorry about me being late and acting as a 'lurker'. I've caught up with the thread now.

What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast.

Some thoughts:
1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town?
2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that.
3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage.
4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time.
5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first?

On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts.

Felkyr recovery:
On September 01 2013 00:23 Felkyr wrote:
Alright, I have the feeling I have to defend myself. Although I am afraid that that will only make things worse. Fuck that, if you want to lynch me, YOU made a mistake, not me. I might play bad, but I'm not scum.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake.


That underlined thing is totally true, that doesn't make me scum. It's true for town too. I'm still not entirely sure how setup speculation is defined, but if it's easy, of course I go back to that. Why did I talk about items. Because I think it is important, because it's ANALYTICAL. It's easy to think about, especially for me. The same is probably true for setup speculation. I think I'm at the moment better to think at such stuff than reading people.

Reading people is hard. If I catch up with the thread, everything that catches my mind is already elaborated upon a little after that. I'm not that active in this game and I'm slow. My replies come too late. You see things before I see things, you catch up on things easier. Often, it's natural to acknowledge people's cases if they make one. But there are different cases against everyone, and I have to find my own. It's just hard. Is that so difficult to understand? I just don't want to talk shit like some people here do. I want to give GOOD cases, but if I got something, people are generally faster than me. I don't want to repeat what's already said so many times. And most things seem to be already said.

Still, there are lots of people who haven't given reads on people. Some people did kinda nothing at all yet. I suppose I'm one of those though... What kind of reads did Slam give? I have thoughts about people, but often they are fuzzy. And they change when other people make cases against them. I have nothing to build upon, so I often follow the flow.

But I've been asked for my thoughts, so I'll give them. I hope they help. But I suppose they won't. You want me to scumhunt, I'll try. This is day one. It'll get easier when there is more practical information. I suppose...

I have no thoughts about people who don't post a lot. What can you say about that? That they don't post is suspicious, but hey, I didn't post that much either. It's easy to townread those who defend me, and scumread those who want to lynch me. But yeah... that's easy.

Hiro, BH, Dandel and Slam seem scummy to me. Why? They talk shit, their cases seem weak... Is it because other people make cases against them? Probably.

I don't feel good about Rayn. He hasn't said that much, and most of it is the BM stuff from the beginning. He talked about BM a lot, while he didn't want to talk about BM. He tried to sketch it as a scumteam. Looked like scum who wanted to direct attention to other scum. But now I'm not sure anymore.

Oats is talking shit of me. He has a point I suppose. What what has he done otherwise? I'm the easy target.

I have a townread on VE, Clarity, WoS, S&B. But in my mind everyone who doesn't do stuff wrong is town. You have to be scummy to deserve being treated as scummy. They participate, 'scumhunt', give reads. All as it should be, right? Koshi seems town, but does not seem to want to scumhunt either. The item giveaway was nice, but for me he could easily be 3p.

The stuff with VA still bothers me, whatever Rayn said about that (and hey I don't trust Rayn either). He says it was purely rageclaim. Well, it was a stupid rageclaim. Really stupid. From a logical point of view that was always bad, IF he is town.

Hassybaby has an interesting role it seems. But he does not want to contribute further. Could easily be 3P too.

Onegu and stutters their claim seems legit to me. I certainly wouldn't kill or lynch them now.

Cephiro, CC, .. they contributed, sometimes with good cases. I don't know...

I wouldn't lynch geript. I have the feeling he actually might have something useful for us.

I have to go now. But ask me whatever you want. I'll answer honestly in as far as I can when I'm back. Once I've caught up again... If you still think I'm scum after that, well... I die I suppose

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 10:02 GMT
#4751
It's still very newbie/apologetic which we eventually STOMPED out of him, but it's an improvement which was enough
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 10:13:01
September 11 2013 10:12 GMT
#4755
BTW Why did slam show as visiting kita? Because he didn't. Cheese killed him though.
n2 I think. Onegu was the tracker, I think?

So many roles it gets messed up in my head.

On September 11 2013 19:11 Blazinghand wrote:
if i had geript's role, just think about how much more hilarious things would have been

ok i'm lying geript's role was used as hilariously as it could have possibly been


Lol I'm so sorry BH.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 12:07 GMT
#4762
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 12:09 GMT
#4764
ikr?
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 12:43 GMT
#4766
On September 11 2013 21:41 Stutters695 wrote:
Well when I first got added I figured a scum sleeper was possible, but you definitely had me convinced otherwise Austin.

Probably should have pieced together that such an exploitable role wouldn't exist but with your night post about how cakepie would be scum if x happened, I figured it had something of a DT type role and that sold me on the validity of it.


Does anyone have any advice for managing the work-load of reading a big game? Every time I play in one it's so hard to catch up after not being in thread for a bit. Then by the time I read that and had some thoughts ready some crazy new thing went down and I had to reread. Wasn't even really sure where to start with scumhunting except my gut in a game this size.


Check in throughout the day. You don't have to post everytime you read. Don't read 20-30 pages in an 1-2 hour grind, read like 15 minutes at a time and do other stuff.

I realize I was scum but as town it's the same where all my smaller posts are generally when I'm catching up throughout the day, and then analysis happens when I stop everything else and focus purely on the game for a while.
It helps to have a phone that can check TL or a computer at work etc.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 13:10 GMT
#4767
And take notes to prevent as much rereading as possible.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 13:46:56
September 11 2013 13:46 GMT
#4769
On September 11 2013 22:42 kitaman27 wrote:
clarity had more posts than OO, felkyr, randombum, coag, Hassy, S&B, ShiaoPi, Onegu, yamato, and Zentor combined XD

By the way, how did the mafia kp formula work?


It's been in the OP all game :p # of mafia / 2 rounded up. (not +1, that's just bad, and wrong)
So we had 4kp the first two nights.

Also yeah I tried to force myself to post. Did I overdo it? :D
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 14:14 GMT
#4772
On September 11 2013 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I felt kinda left outside.. I couldn't contribute to the game by any of my role's actions (until last phase - don't get me wrong Greymist, i loved my role, and when i got it i laughed so hard when i was Red, and i realized that most likely there is Blue out there ^_^).

I think i did the best i could to prove my towniness with the limited time i had available for D1-D2, but townies WIFOMed me as possible scum, which made no sense to me rofl.


Like, what scum softclaims their role for like two cycles straight.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 14:29 GMT
#4774
I made the same mistake till bum asked host if a pokemon would noflip in closed casket if he got lynched, lol.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 14:37 GMT
#4777
On September 11 2013 23:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:42 Crossfire99 wrote:
Day 3 Lynch

ObviousOne (7): debears, AxleGreaser, Risen,ShiaoPi, austinmcc, Stutters695, cakepie
debears (6): ObviousOne, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, Felkyr, Clarity_nl


lol it's too bad that the day 3 vote count didn't receive more attention. Even the no lynch in the other thread was pretty important.


Austin is a wimp.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 14:42 GMT
#4778
On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him.


It should never have gotten to the point where axle was forced to claim or get lynched. He was pretty clearly town.
Yeah, him just afking looked bad but you have to consider the possibility that he's actually just not around.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 17:29 GMT
#4792
On September 12 2013 02:12 austinmcc wrote:
Yeah, the kp numbers were actually all over the place with 3 N1 and 6 N2, would have been difficult for you guys to figure out just how much kp was out there. Somebody really needed to sit down and try to look for numbers. If nothing else, you knew we were probably responsible for the world swap, MAYBE had a pokemon trainer, but even then it would have been tough to know there were still 5 of us.

e: Ninjaed by clarity


I did no such ninjaing.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-11 17:34:27
September 11 2013 17:31 GMT
#4794
Nice writeup cross, looking forward to more if you end up doing that.
I have a question. Am I just fucked now in future games?

Like, I look obvtown as town, even when I'm wrong all the time (and I was intentionally wrong plenty this game) so.... what can I do as scum to not look scum yet not look too town for it to be weird that I'm alive. :s

Maybe I should just blame TL meta of townies not looking town?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#4799
On September 12 2013 02:40 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 02:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
Nice writeup cross, looking forward to more if you end up doing that.
I have a question. Am I just fucked now in future games?

Like, I look obvtown as town, even when I'm wrong all the time (and I was intentionally wrong plenty this game) so.... what can I do as scum to not look scum yet not look too town for it to be weird that I'm alive. :s

Maybe I should just blame TL meta of townies not looking town?

You aren't screwed in future games. I think town as a whole just looked way too scummy hence you were one of the "obvious townies." In a game where town organizes and discusses, and plays well, scum will be forced to play "scummy." Even if they're active and contributing, eventually they'll be forced to disrupt town or divert attention to other players to protect themselves or other mafia in order to win. This is evidence that you're not playing for town.

If you're actually town and play "well," you should be less disruptive and more cooperative than scum, so you should be ok in future games. I don't mean that you won't argue and have disagreements over who is mafia, just that mafia always has to disrupt and divert suspicion which can be seen if you look closely at thread sentiment. (I think Ver's analysis after his game where he pretty much determines who scum are by seeing who disrupts the thread and diverts it is a good example of this type of scumhunting). I think people will just respect you more and be wary of trusting you too soon.


Yeah I meant screwed in my future scum games, not my town games
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 18:05 GMT
#4804
Yeah it was a genuine question of whether I should change something or not, not saying I suddenly play scum well because I had one decent scumgame >.<
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 18:22 GMT
#4806
Alright, so for next scumgame I shouldn't tone down the "obv towniness" just so I don't have to deal with the question of why I'm still alive?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 11 2013 18:44 GMT
#4814
Dandel could, although he couldnt explain it to me
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