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MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 20:17 GMT
#1839
The mafia had more to lose this lynch than normal, so they probably would have taken more risks this time, which would have included voting for the other candidate.

+ Show Spoiler +
assuming geript is scum+ Show Spoiler +
I feel like I have to say this in every post or else one of you will be like OMG ZENuTRS KNOWS GERIPT IS SCUM SO HE SCUM
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 20:22 GMT
#1848
On September 02 2013 05:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also notice how he's 100% certain that geript will flip scum if shot like WHAT THE FUCK. If geript flips scum zentor is next.

wtf

of course geript is going to flip scum

it's actually 100%


Well zentor backtracked and said he doesn't know what he's gonna flip. How do you feel about that?
It's actually not 100% >.<

I'm pretty sure at this point it is.
If Geript was town he would have immediately tried to make up for his failure to lynch 'scum BH.'

Zentor's defense does make a certain amount of sense but yeah like Fuba said, if scum were to jump on somebody for suspicious voting activity on D1 I really thought I'd be primary target. Look at Axlegreaser hounding me, for example. Why is 'abstaining' from the vote more acceptable?


If everybody except for the people voting for geript abstained(equally distributed their votes among the other players), geript would still die. Mafia needed for people to vote for felkyr to save geript, which is why abstaining is more acceptable.


+ Show Spoiler +
assuming geript is mafia
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 20:24 GMT
#1849
On September 02 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 05:17 MrZentor wrote:
The mafia had more to lose this lynch than normal, so they probably would have taken more risks this time, which would have included voting for the other candidate.

+ Show Spoiler +
assuming geript is scum+ Show Spoiler +
I feel like I have to say this in every post or else one of you will be like OMG ZENuTRS KNOWS GERIPT IS SCUM SO HE SCUM

Wait hold on a sec.
Why would any mafia bother voting for anyone else at all if they knew Geript was going to just change everybody's vote to BH?
What did mafia have to lose at all?


WOOWWWWWWWWWW, does anybody read my posts, at all?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 20:42 GMT
#1857
On September 02 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 05:24 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:17 MrZentor wrote:
The mafia had more to lose this lynch than normal, so they probably would have taken more risks this time, which would have included voting for the other candidate.

+ Show Spoiler +
assuming geript is scum+ Show Spoiler +
I feel like I have to say this in every post or else one of you will be like OMG ZENuTRS KNOWS GERIPT IS SCUM SO HE SCUM

Wait hold on a sec.
Why would any mafia bother voting for anyone else at all if they knew Geript was going to just change everybody's vote to BH?
What did mafia have to lose at all?


WOOWWWWWWWWWW, does anybody read my posts, at all?

No.
It doesn't make any sense.
That ability is massive and there is no way Geript would just toss that out there after scum had thrown their votes down and fuck his team over.


Assuming geript is mafia, there are two possibilities for the end of the day, because scum are going to use geript's ability if scum is about to get lynched.
1) A townie gets lynched.
2) Geript uses his ability

Let's look at this from scum's perspective.

Beginning of day: Things are going well.

Half way through the day: OH NO! People are voting for geript, we should start voting for another candidate so he doesn't have to use his ability!!!!

Eight hours later: Yay! Felkyr nearly has as many votes for him as geript does!

Four hours later: Agh people are voting for geript!! We had better switch quickly!

End of the day: We should have geript use his ability instead of dying. If we had known from the beginning that geript would have to use his ability regardless of what we did, we wouldn't have tried to save him. But WoS doesn't understand that the mafia can't predict the future
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 20:52 GMT
#1865
On September 02 2013 05:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 05:42 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:24 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:17 MrZentor wrote:
The mafia had more to lose this lynch than normal, so they probably would have taken more risks this time, which would have included voting for the other candidate.

+ Show Spoiler +
assuming geript is scum+ Show Spoiler +
I feel like I have to say this in every post or else one of you will be like OMG ZENuTRS KNOWS GERIPT IS SCUM SO HE SCUM

Wait hold on a sec.
Why would any mafia bother voting for anyone else at all if they knew Geript was going to just change everybody's vote to BH?
What did mafia have to lose at all?


WOOWWWWWWWWWW, does anybody read my posts, at all?

No.
It doesn't make any sense.
That ability is massive and there is no way Geript would just toss that out there after scum had thrown their votes down and fuck his team over.


Assuming geript is mafia, there are two possibilities for the end of the day, because scum are going to use geript's ability if scum is about to get lynched.
1) A townie gets lynched.
2) Geript uses his ability

Let's look at this from scum's perspective.

Beginning of day: Things are going well.

Half way through the day: OH NO! People are voting for geript, we should start voting for another candidate so he doesn't have to use his ability!!!!

Eight hours later: Yay! Felkyr nearly has as many votes for him as geript does!

Four hours later: Agh people are voting for geript!! We had better switch quickly!

End of the day: We should have geript use his ability instead of dying. If we had known from the beginning that geript would have to use his ability regardless of what we did, we wouldn't have tried to save him. But WoS doesn't understand that the mafia can't predict the future

People were voting Geript because HE CLAIMED UNLYNCHABLE AND DREW EVERYONE TO VOTE FOR HIM.


Uh, no. Several people were already voting for geript and VE(you know, that guys everybody sheeps) was pressuring him hard. He was likely to get lynched before he claimed to be unlynchable.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 20:55 GMT
#1868
On September 02 2013 05:46 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm more interested why Zentor waited until night one to start posting. Unavailability?


Usually, the amount I post first day is directly proportional to the probability of me getting lynched.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 21:17 GMT
#1877
On September 02 2013 06:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oh there's that one line at the end of that post that gives him a null read....
You don't follow his logic but he's not being malicious?

He called seven people extremely suspicious. You don't think that throwing dirt everywhere isn't scum indicative?


The irony
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 21:36 GMT
#1901
Na, I like cake.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 01 2013 22:03 GMT
#1910
Because he said he wasn't scum?

You guys know that not everything is linked, right?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 00:36 GMT
#1919
I'm surprised nobody managed to kill geript.

Meh.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 00:44 GMT
#1926
I posted before you on D2, bro.

+ Show Spoiler +
Instead of Stealing, Always Attack Cautiously.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 00:45 GMT
#1929
I was a joke.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 00:53 GMT
#1936
On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote:
The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list.

That's all.


The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr"

Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.

We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript.

What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes?

Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway?

And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will?


Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum .

So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful?

I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list.


Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum.

How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious.
stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy.

Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla"
But then there's this:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything.


I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town)


This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it?
If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious??

I try to make him clarify:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet??????


You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is.


Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town.
Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS.

Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game.
His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game.
Therefore Zentor is scum.



Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 00:56 GMT
#1940
On September 02 2013 09:55 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:44 MrZentor wrote:
I posted before you on D2, bro.

+ Show Spoiler +
Instead of Stealing, Always Attack Cautiously.



Coool now post stuff where you think about the game so other people can discern your alignment.



I spammed the entire night..
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 01:01 GMT
#1944
On September 02 2013 09:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 04:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 02 2013 03:21 MrZentor wrote:
The point of it is to tell everybody that if geript flips scum, we need to lynch somebody in that list.

That's all.


The way you decide to do this is to write out all 7 names and call all seven "extremely suspicious". Instead of just saying "if geript flips red we should look at the people who vote felkyr"

On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:20 strongandbig wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:54 MrZentor wrote:
I'm extremely suspicious of the following people: Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority and their shady attempt to save geript.

We should definitely lynch one of them if a vigilante manages to kill geript.

What about me and my completely open attempt to persuade people not to vote geript? Did you read the thread or just the votes?

Why would scum try to "save" geript if they knew the votes didnt matter anyway?

And isn't trying to "save" geript only scummy if he flips scum? Or do you already know that he will?


Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum .

So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful?

I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list.


Alright, let's just buy this explanation that you didn't scumslip and you were simply talking about a scenario where geript flips scum.

How is trying to push a wagon that is not geript fine, but if it is felkyr it is extremely suspicious.
stronganbig has it right. It seems like you haven't even read the game and you just went off the votecount to paint a wide array of people scummy.

Not only did you backtrack from 100% certain geript will flip scum to "I dunno what he'll flip but if he flips scum blabla"
But then there's this:
On September 02 2013 02:47 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
How the fuck can you be extremely suspicious of 7 people for doing the exact same thing.
Can you narrow down the list, maybe? Because you didn't actually... do anything.


I'm purposely not narrowing down the list until geript flips scum, because if he ends up not flipping scum, all the time spent narrowing down the list would be wasted. (Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town)


This is some class A bullshit. You just explained why you don't wanna waste a bunch of time narrowing down the list, and then you immediately follow it by saying Obviously at least half of the people on the list are almost certainly town. If it is obvious, why would you have to spend ANY amount of time on it?
If it is obvious, why do you call EVERYONE on that list suspicious??

I try to make him clarify:
On September 02 2013 03:06 MrZentor wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
If at obviously least half the people on that list are town why are do you even list them or "mark" them as suspicious. Have you not decided which half yet??????


You're kidding, right? Everybody knows which half it is.


Zentor is saying everybody knows which of the people on that list are likely town.
Then WHY DID YOU CALL EVERYONE ON THAT LIST EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS.

Zentor cannot keep his story straight, which means he's not actually thinking about the game.
His posts (especially this votecount analysis without context) are designed to make it look like he's thinking about the game.
Therefore Zentor is scum.



Clarity, do you still think I scumslipped and gave away that both I geript are scum?


I'm no confident anymore that it is a scumslip. But notice how I brush past it in my case too.
I guess it's possible for you to say it like that as town, although it feels off.

Everything else makes you scum though. You should put some reads in the thread now


I mean, I responded to everything you said in your case and show you why it's all townie, but you haven't responded.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 01:11 GMT
#1947
On September 02 2013 10:06 Cephiro wrote:
Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Btw, don't lynch Zentor today. I have my reasons to believe he is town.

It didn't have anything to do with Isaac, did it?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 02:33 GMT
#1958
I don't really think I need your help, Cephiro has already helped me a lot...
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 15:56 GMT
#2061
On one hand, I don't know why alaskam would say he had that item as mafia.

On the other, I don't know why alaskam would choose to use that item so soon as town.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 16:04 GMT
#2065
Actually, I would really like to kill oats..
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 02 2013 16:13 GMT
#2069
On September 03 2013 01:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 01:04 MrZentor wrote:
Actually, I would really like to kill oats..


Why should I over Alakunreadable?

I've played with town Oats and mafia Oats before. Problem is, as both alignment he seems to give more fucks about the game.


I just don't see any motive for Alakaslam to say that he was the one who shuffled the items as mafia.
It just seems more like a thing a stupid townie would do.

+ Show Spoiler +

"But what if he expected you to think that way?" you ask.
It still would have been safer for him as mafia to simply not tell anybody than to hope that we don't kill him for what he did.
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