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Mocsta
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Oatsmaster
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On August 09 2013 22:00 Mocsta wrote: OK. so are u still arguing hapa instead of phagga? yes. | ||
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Mocsta
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well I'm going to bed and hopefully a fresh perspective can do us all some good. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Mocsta! On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote: this is beyond ridiculous. hapa has been miserly pushing me all game as Mafia. we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia... instead, he continued after the announcement. I shall repeat that u thought it was natural to consider jester interactions,which just drops my jaw as a townie. Mafia love pushing the theory that scum is some mastermind trying to be active and pulling strings. where as we all know better. game after game on team liquid has shown that scum are always most likely to try and control things behind the scenes. this whole game I have been transparent in my approach to finding antitown ; yet now u try and accuse me of being a scum mastermind..,, lol phagga just lol. u r the one that has been subtlely trying to steer things starting from the very beginning of the game when u tried to cock block the geript plan your post is full of bullshit, lies and contradictions. Let's have a look. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote: this is beyond ridiculous. hapa has been miserly pushing me all game as Mafia. we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia... instead, he continued after the announcement. LIE Hapa "miserly pushing you" even after the rule clarification: On August 08 2013 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: Alright I'll take a look. Again though, early game town-reads are not 100%. However I'm suspicious enough of Mocsta at this point to not have much of my focus on Oats. This post is the last time that Hapa mentions you as being suspicious or scumread. Now check the timestamps on the rule clarification: On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote: Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester A jester endgamed by the town loses. A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory" This came later. Since this post, all Hapa has posted are these two posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote: No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. On August 09 2013 07:11 Hapahauli wrote: Nothing about Mocsta's case is alignment indicative. He seems most concerned with the "preparing for D2" bit, but what does that even mean? It's impossible for townies to be concerned about basically auto-losing on D2? So no, Hapa has been barely pushing you at the beginning of the game. since the clarification, he has not mentioned you once as a scumread or a lynch candidate. And yes, it's perfectly possible that you are Mafia, since the guy we all think is jester stopped pushing you after the rule clarification. CONTRADICTION On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote: I shall repeat that u thought it was natural to consider jester interactions,which just drops my jaw as a townie. Oh really? Please read the bolded part: On August 08 2013 10:27 Mocsta wrote: Firstly. I can understand why some have chosen to pressure me. Its a 5 player game and I have one of the largest filters. Hence; the most content to go through at this early stage. Perhaps instead of brash - incorrect - analysis, it would be more pertinent to address questions I can actually respond to. Secondly. Personally, I still take issue with the lynchproof plan. I get what the plan does; I get that we have moved away from the plan; however I just dont understand why a player would concoct a plan that leaves town with a 50/50 chance to win. This is far from a pro-town plan to consider, let alone continue to endorse. Lastly. I stand by my logic; hence, I think you guys are treating this way too much like a normal, and not giving enough credit for what each of the anti-town roles want to achieve. The whole point of this game is that if you mis-read somone, it could be GG due to Jester. Its only by understanding how they need to proceed, that we can catch them. That's what I have been doing. Trying to understand how they need to proceed to achieve optimal results. But now you're here calling me scum for following the very advise you gave? BULLSHIT, followed by CONTRADICTIONS On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote: Mafia love pushing the theory that scum is some mastermind trying to be active and pulling strings. where as we all know better. game after game on team liquid has shown that scum are always most likely to try and control things behind the scenes. This is so much garbage I don't even know where to start. Let's just take the easiest one: How does scum, in this game, without partners, without PMs, control things behind the scenes? Answer: He can't. this whole game I have been transparent in my approach to finding antitown ; yet now u try and accuse me of being a scum mastermind..,, lol phagga just lol. I'm not saying your a scum mastermind, I say you try to steer the game to a misslynch. You try to get enough control over the game so you can push my mislynch through. And you have almost succeded. On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote: u r the one that has been subtlely trying to steer things starting from the very beginning of the game when u tried to cock block the geript plan I was cockblocking the plan? But wait: On August 09 2013 01:57 Mocsta wrote: Now whilst I can agree that skeptical is a "townie"-ish trait to exhibit and you do indeed seek more information from Geript; its the post-plan behaviour that I find odd. So... is it a townie trait to be skeptical and try to gain more info, or am I cock blocking his plan? Contradictions, Contradictions. Also, subtly steering things in the thread means I'm trying to have some control over the game. Didn't you just write further up that scum does not play this way? Your case on me revolves entirely around my setup speculation and plan behaviour. You completely ignore my reads and the reasons for them, you ignore that I tried to get converstation going with others several times. Tell me, where comes that habit to repeatedly call yourself town? Why do you feel the need after your VT claim to repeat that you are town? + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 14:58 Mocsta wrote: I suspect scum asked this question as i can't imagine town thinking about this.. I know I certainly didnt Hmmm I imagine this changes the game somewhat as now scum have the option to bandy up day2 and are probably playing the lurking game.. Where are u phagga.... On August 09 2013 00:42 Mocsta wrote: @Phagga. For your first query: Why would you not think about the question as town Win-Con phagga... Why would I -let me remind you: town- be contemplating the jester wincon beyond to be lynched? My focus is to lynch the goon, and avoid the jester. (As a post-game thing.. I would be seriously shocked if it wasn't the jester that asked for clarification.. which then leads into WIFOM about timezones etc) [i]Do you think this information is not important for town I think it just opens up WIFOM, so no. Regardless of whether jseter wants a selfish victory, or shared... my focus is the same. Lynch the goon. Do you beg to differ? =============== (2) Regarding grievances etc, This ties into my query post to you. Will start compiling soonish. Need to re-read again first. On August 09 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote: this is beyond ridiculous. hapa has been miserly pushing me all game as Mafia. we all know from the rule clarification that jester and Mafia can share a victory. henceforth a jester hapa would have stopped pushing for my lynch if he truly thought I was Mafia... instead, he continued after the announcement. I shall repeat that u thought it was natural to consider jester interactions,which just drops my jaw as a townie. Mafia love pushing the theory that scum is some mastermind trying to be active and pulling strings. where as we all know better. game after game on team liquid has shown that scum are always most likely to try and control things behind the scenes. this whole game I have been transparent in my approach to finding antitown ; yet now u try and accuse me of being a scum mastermind..,, lol phagga just lol. u r the one that has been subtlely trying to steer things starting from the very beginning of the game when u tried to cock block the geript plan On August 09 2013 19:31 Mocsta wrote: Dude.. i dont understand whats going on here?? I thought what I wrote is clear, and i am *genuinely* struggling to understand where our communication breakdown is deriving from? I 100% agree that good play is: Antitown shouldnt be pushing who they think is the other antitown. Because of the shared win-con. Now, we all know Hapa is not adhering to this typical town meta, so the take is: he is antitown. Hence, what I am saying is that, Hapa as antitown, should not be pushing the other antitown. So who is Hapa pushing? Hes pushing me..and I know I am town. ================= Are we still on different pages? Looks like you have to compensate for something. Oats, geript, I don't know how you can read this guy town. I ask you to reconsider your read and vote with me. | ||
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geript
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On August 09 2013 23:38 geript wrote: No lie, when I started reading that case I was all: "that feels like a rally odd case for a townie to make" </3 Why? Weekend begins, my activity will drop heavily for the next 60 hours. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Why are you voting phagga? I've seen plenty in yoru filter about him being jester, but no reasoning about why you think he's mafia. It doesn't seem like you're even interested in figuring out his allignment. On August 09 2013 23:38 geript wrote: No lie, when I started reading that case I was all: "that feels like a rally odd case for a townie to make" What is this crap? | ||
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Mocsta
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I was hoping u were at least going to address oats concerns... u know, he is adamant u r Mafia after all | ||
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Mocsta
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1... he will now be afk for 60hrs lol 2.. he's so confident about his case that he didn't lay down a vote | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Mocsta
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On August 10 2013 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote: hapa why arent you playing? Cos he *WANTS* to get lynched... | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Mocsta
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JM pretty happy with a vote on phagga, he's clearly trying to save his ass, but lacks the conviction..whereas hapa is still trying to get lynched. I would expect Mafia in phagga position to do exactly what he did... and jester in hapa position to do exactly what he did.. so.... ##vote:phagga | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Mocsta
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con·vic·tion [kuhn-vik-shuhn] noun 1. a fixed or firm belief: No clever argument, no persuasive fact or theory could make a dent in his conviction in the rightness of his position. 2. the act of convicting; a declaration that a person is guilty of an offense. No vote dude.. hes just trying to throw dirt around me, but let other people do the work. Then he can bandwagon on and take no responsibility when I flip. Classic scum play. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On August 10 2013 10:14 Mocsta wrote: BTW I love 2 things about ohaggas case 1... he will now be afk for 60hrs lol 2.. he's so confident about his case that he didn't lay down a vote 1. I am not afk for 60 hours, just low activity. 2. My vote is on you for a long time already. Just more tries to discredit me with lies. Oats, you still think Mocsta is town? Do you think that the post I quoted earlier comes from a town mindset? What do you say About the points I raised? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On August 10 2013 15:11 Mocsta wrote: Do we really have to do this? con·vic·tion [kuhn-vik-shuhn] noun 1. a fixed or firm belief: No clever argument, no persuasive fact or theory could make a dent in his conviction in the rightness of his position. 2. the act of convicting; a declaration that a person is guilty of an offense. No vote dude.. hes just trying to throw dirt around me, but let other people do the work. Then he can bandwagon on and take no responsibility when I flip. Classic scum play. Stop lying already. On August 09 2013 17:07 phagga wrote: I agree with you guys that Hapa is probably jester. Geript, I told you that Oats is my town read, why would I vote him? What kind of absurd logic is that? And I asked you for your reasons for the vote, how did I avoid it? Mocsta, you know who else tries to stay alive? Town. I can't believe the crap you're writing. ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I thought we all unvoted last night. You know.... have a fresh perspective of the game and all. Unfortunately, it seems like you and Hapa are the only one that is unwilling to do that. P.S. I like how you use this unjustified read on Hapa to blindly tunnel me into oblivion. On August 09 2013 17:07 phagga wrote: I agree with you guys that Hapa is probably jester. As discussed before, anti-town dont wanna be targetting anti-town afterall. | ||
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Mocsta
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All his points take everything out of context and are not even worth formally responding to. Guys, phagga is mafia and needs to be voted off. Lets finish this game. | ||
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geript
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On August 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: Anyways. I read the phagga case and it's a joke. All his points take everything out of context and are not even worth formally responding to. Guys, phagga is mafia and needs to be voted off. Lets finish this game. I disagree there are a few good points here and there in it. But he's overselling some points majorly for 'shock' value or 'eye-popping-ness' or something similar. It's just that how he sells them is a really weird/odd approach for town to take. Honestly, I just want to vote phagga for funsies at this point. Oats, what do you think of Moc. | ||
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